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Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 16:05

...regarding the TMO decision about the Anscombe "try"?
They have confirmed today tha Alain Rolland has agreed that the TMO made a mistake and that a try should have been awarded. But is this sensible?
Apparently (I've not seen it) there is video evidence of the ball hitting Evans's fingers before Anscombe dived (cf Guscott on BBC Sport), but that wasn't reviewed. Also, what does such a pronouncement do for both the confidence of the TMO and more particularly the confidence in the TMO? To me, there is no benefit to making a public pronouncement, and it can only be damaging. So far as I am aware World Rugby don't make public criticism of refs, so why hang out the TMO to dry?

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: iBozz (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 16:15

The Referee/TMO may not always be right, but they are never wrong.

It is what it is, leave it alone.



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Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: Mrs Trellis of North Wales (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 16:21

It seems that two wrongs have made a right.



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Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: clutch (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 16:29

Itís fine. When something looks wrong it is important that this is clarified by the powers that be, especially in such a complex sport.

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 16:32

Didn't they make a public pronouncement after Craig joubert fecked up at rwc 2015?

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: MartWhit (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 16:36

They may have said, privately to Welsh mamagement, that the TMO made a mistake. As far as I'm aware they didnt go on to say that a try should have been awarded. That implication was made by Rob Howley.

Its all heresay from Rob Howley at this point, and has been considerably hyped by other messengers along the way. What was actually said who knows?

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 17:14

The Knock on was reviewed and quickly decided to be OK. I wasn't sure at the time that it hadn't brushed his finger(s). I also haven't seen the reputed angle that 'proves' the knock on.

I'm all for clarity, but can't help thinking this could be setting a dangerous precedent.
Do they now have to offer an explanation for every contested decision?



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Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: BasilBullneck (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 17:52

According to the BBC sport article ( apologies - I can't do the link) it is a quoted press release from World Rugby as to exactly what was said.
In other words, no ambiguity, and in my view the TMO is hung out to dry. For what and whose benefit? To me it does nothing tha undermine the authority of the match day officials.
By all means, deal with it on assessments, as I understand the elite referees do in private in any event.

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: the snapper (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 20:01

I am sure they had to do this or the Welsh would have thrown their Teddy Bear out of their cot!
It was not a try, end of!

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: Crutch (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 20:34

I was fairly certain it was a knock on and was surprised they moved on from that aspect so quickly.

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: DaveAitch (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 21:02

Quote:
the snapper
I am sure they had to do this or the Welsh would have thrown their Teddy Bear out of their cot!
It was not a try, end of!
I had four years in Cardiff at the end of the sixties. Every opposition try (especially a winning try) had some error that the referee had missed, but if it was point out that theirs was from a knock-on there was always the same answer "couldn't have been because the referee gave the try". What goes around comes around.

World rugby are wrong, wrong, wrong for all sorts of reasons.

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: clutch (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 21:24

Does anyone have the angle that shows the knock on

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: DaveAitch (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 21:28

It's on the other, similar, thread, clutch.

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: clutch (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 21:30

Yeah. Iím lazy!! But sorted now and I have another theory

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: Oldham Shark II (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 23:07

How can the TMO be wrong? He was asked to make a judgement. His judgement was that it was not a try. Some agree, some disagree. Was it really conclusively an indisputable try to anyone with eyesight? No. Get on with it or we'll start rambling on about Mark Cueto's against Australia. (Which was, of course, indisputably a try).

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: Mrs Trellis of North Wales (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 23:16

...or Frank's against South Africa



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Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: PoyntonShark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2018 01:34

Have World Rugby actually made any kind of announcement on the matter? Isn't all this about a supposed conversation Howley has had with Alain Rolland?



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Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: DaveAitch (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2018 08:38

Quote:
PoyntonShark
Have World Rugby actually made any kind of announcement on the matter? Isn't all this about a supposed conversation Howley has had with Alain Rolland?
You could well be right, Poynters, in which case it's either Rolland or Howley who should be blamed. Wherever the fault actually lies there is no doubt that the news that has gone round the world is that the TMO was wrong. World Rugby now need to come out and say they support the TMO, otherwise they are complicit in what was said, whoever said it.

Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: Mrs Trellis of North Wales (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2018 08:41

Rolland is a representative of World Rugby

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Re: Should World Rugby make a public pronouncement...
Posted by: MartWhit (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2018 09:10

Talk about making a rod for your own back.

They've invited minute scrutiny of any mildly controversial decision, and set a precedent for the media to request comment from them on each occasion. Which would inevitably lead to them hanging a series of TMO's out to dry.

In this case they didn't even do the clear the air thoroughly since they only said the decision on the grounding was wrong. We don't knwo their thinking on the knock on. They also should be clear that the TMO had neither the time nor the required super slo mo footage to make the definitive verdicts that the media had seemingly come to.

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