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Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: saleawaywithme (IP Logged)
Date: 14 May, 2018 22:46

What The Sun doesn't say is whether the pre-contract and agreed terms they claim to have seen was ripped up or intact. In which case PJ may appear for pre season when the dust settles a bit.
[www.thesun.co.uk]

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: Crutch (IP Logged)
Date: 14 May, 2018 22:53

£1m for a 3 year deal doesn't sound like that much of a bargain - don't believe we'd have been in for a 10 at that price.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: saleawaywithme (IP Logged)
Date: 14 May, 2018 23:05

Certainly a lot more than the 250k pa he was on but the £1 million figure does make a better headline for The Sun than a 6 figure one. Sam Diamond is a least a bit more vague than his father smiling smiley Not quite a denial, just no comment.
When asked if they could explain why there was a signed agreement, Sharks media manager Sam Diamond responded: ďThe club are not making a comment on it ó there is no comment to be made.Ē



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Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: emerging shark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 08:18

Heads of terms evidence serious intent and have moral force, but do not legally compel the parties to conclude the deal on those terms or even at all. However, provisions relating to confidentiality and costs may be binding on the parties.
The above sums it up so no big deal in getting out of it..

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: Olyy (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 09:39

"Angry denial" "publicly slammed" - neither of which is true.

Rumours before were that we were going to get him on under 300k a season.
Red tops have no idea about rugby and rugby salaries though, not long ago one said Foden was on 750k a season, or something along those lines.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: stevene (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 10:10

I believe it was 250k per annum plus incentives and olding was in the 150-200k plus incentives. considering faf de klerk is rumoured to be on 400-500k then 250k for a irish international 10-12 could be considered 'cut price'.

i suspect cipriani was looking for 300-400k (plus incentives) when his agent approached sale earlier this year.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: thekeg (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 11:04

Quote:
Crutch
£1m for a 3 year deal doesn't sound like that much of a bargain - don't believe we'd have been in for a 10 at that price.

I think thatís still ďcheapĒ for an international quality 10. Heard that Owen Williams, to give one example, went to Gloucester on more than that

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: ale shark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 11:07

Quote:
stevene
I believe it was 250k per annum plus incentives and olding was in the 150-200k plus incentives. considering faf de klerk is rumoured to be on 400-500k then 250k for a irish international 10-12 could be considered 'cut price'.
i suspect cipriani was looking for 300-400k (plus incentives) when his agent approached sale earlier this year.

Crazy wages, there's only about 50 top flight professional clubs in the world and almost of them make a loss. Iím not saying the players are being greedy but theyíre bankrupting something thatís barely sustainable. There really does need to be a readjustment of demands and expectation at some point soon. Perhaps Wasps hitting the buffers will do that.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: thekeg (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 11:40

Surprised that people are surprised at the figures here....

The cap is £7million. If you have 40 players in a squad thatís £175,000 on average.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: clutch (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 13:11

And we have 32 donít we?!! Are jets exempt. How does that work? Can they only play a max amount before counting on the salary cap?

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: stevene (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 13:25

cap is £7m plus marquee players....

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 14:05

Which we don't have as we dont spend up to the cap....

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: Yareet (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 14:37

Quote:
23Shark
Which we don't have as we dont spend up to the cap....

That doesn't necessarily follow. We might spend £6.5mn plus £500k each for Faf and JOC.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not saying we are spending this but rather that we could have two marquee players and still not be spending up to the cap.

Not even sure we could bring JOC in as a marquee as he's played for another Prem club.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: thekeg (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 14:46

Quote:
stevene
cap is £7m plus marquee players....

Yes, so the average wage in the cap goes up....

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: Irish_Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 14:47

Quote:
clutch
And we have 32 donít we?!! Are jets exempt. How does that work? Can they only play a max amount before counting on the salary cap?
There are academy credits that aren't included in the cap.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: NorthernMaori (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 15:12

Added to the above, players can not be deemed marquee players if they have come directly from other Prem clubs or played in the competition in the past 12 months, therefore JOC could be a marquee player having come from Toulon.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: ale shark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 15:19

So if Gloucester sign both Cipriani and RJVR then neither are marquee? Thatís a pretty sizeable chuck of their cap, regardless of who is leaving them.

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: NorthernMaori (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 16:07

That's the rule from my understanding!

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: emerging shark (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2018 21:00

Thread hijacked. It was about Jackson's pre contract...who knows the financial in's and outs...

Re: Paddy Jackson pre-contract
Posted by: H's Dad... (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 10:16

Usually it's the piper who decides if such a contract is formalized and signed. He has to think of the adverse publicity, and potential loss of reputation/revenue. All a result of Red Top morality?

Sadly many of those that condemn on the basis of the details of the backstory don't stop to reflect on the mysogenistic nature of a lot of young sportsmen's banter. Alcohol-fuelled stuff they would all regret if it ever came into the public domain. Very few live up to the expectations of the public.

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