a sobering story
Posted by: MikeGC (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 07:50

some perspective on perceived woes

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a terribly sad story

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: H's Dad... (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 10:25

Acute Glyphosate toxicity?

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: Flumpty (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 12:06

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H's Dad...
Acute Glyphosate toxicity?

Is that the very active part of ultra strong weedkiller ?

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: MikeGC (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 12:10

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Flumpty
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H's Dad...
Acute Glyphosate toxicity?

Is that the very active part of ultra strong weedkiller ?

Itís certainly an effective weed killer but it has relatively low acute toxicity

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: H's Dad... (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 13:50

In general gardening use Yes, especially true when diluted. (Weedol approx. 10% w/w before dilution is pretty safe in normal use), but the super-concentrate used in agiculture (pre-dilution) is a different matter (e.g Rosate 40%+). It's also palatable to cats and dogs. Rapidly worsening dyspnoea and acidosis with associated renal failure, which does not respond to treatment. A couple of spilt dessertpoons can kill a pet. I've seen a couple of cases over the years.

Severe worsening dyspnoea leading to death in two twenty something sportsmen in the absence of haemolysis or haemorrhage is a pretty unusual presentation; I'm struggling for a differential list....but intentional glyphosate poisonning in spiked drinks would be one given the circumstances. One wineglass or so, in a pint could be enough.
Can you think of many others MikeGC?

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: DaveAitch (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 16:20

How terrible for the families, friends and fellow tourists and, of course, the two players themselves.


The symptoms given in the article would not seem to be the same as those for someone who has swallowed glyphosate.

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: Grumpy Old Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 16:44

methanol in counterfeit spirits would seem more likely....

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: H's Dad... (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 17:15

The metabolic acidosis inducing tachypnoea: good call GOS!

Respiratory distress has been the main sign in both the cases I have seen Daveaitch: it was quite dramatic. Some of that may be due to the surfactants they include in it.

Re: a sobering story
Posted by: JimJam350 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 18:40

Probably sensible, respectful and above all decent not to speculate on the reasons for the deaths. There are professionals to answer those questions.

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