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The Cunning Plan
Posted by: TykesRugby.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 29 June, 2019 17:40

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Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: oopnorth (IP Logged)
Date: 29 June, 2019 18:26

Turnips have to feature somewhere obviously



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Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 30 June, 2019 19:03

We need a plan so cunning you could nail a tail to it and it would be a fox.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 30 June, 2019 20:10

We've already lost one Fox

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 30 June, 2019 21:01

A fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: WPL (IP Logged)
Date: 01 July, 2019 11:28

I've not read it, but according to the Rugby Paper part of the cunning plan is to link up with Sale Sharks - if this is the case and we can get to some arrangement where the players don't get called back at last minute - this may actually work - their academy graduates are fairly impressive.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 01 July, 2019 13:17

A Northern Powerhouse in the making??!!

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 01 July, 2019 19:39

Quote:
WPL
I've not read it, but according to the Rugby Paper part of the cunning plan is to link up with Sale Sharks - if this is the case and we can get to some arrangement where the players don't get called back at last minute - this may actually work - their academy graduates are fairly impressive.

Similar to Gloucester/Hartspury arrangement? That seems to work!

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 01 July, 2019 21:37

Can't say Im keen on these 'partnerships' with Prem clubs as they seem to me to be totally one sided.

That's the situation we're in though and beggars can't be choosers. Whatever it takes to survive I suppose.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Camquin (IP Logged)
Date: 01 July, 2019 22:50

I feel I should point out you have your own academy that I thought received the same funding as the other 13.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2019 07:41

Quote:
Camquin
I feel I should point out you have your own academy that I thought received the same funding as the other 13.

We know this but thank you for reminding us. (Sm134)

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2019 08:04

Quote:
Camquin
I feel I should point out you have your own academy that I thought received the same funding as the other 13.


We cannot afford to run this academy so I believe that the rfu are going to run it directly.


If this works out then we will not get automatic first choice for the talent it produces, although (if we survive) of course we will still be the local club for the starlets.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2019 11:15

Quote:
almostatyke
If this works out then we will not get automatic first choice for the talent it produces, although (if we survive) of course we will still be the local club for the starlets.

Almost all of our "starlets" move on anyway sooner or later. So nothing new there.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 03 July, 2019 19:32

Just to explain a little more on why we cannot afford our academy. True the rfu gives grants for an officially-licensed Academy, but also true is that much of the money comes with strings attached. A lot of the investment has to be matched pound for pound, by the club. Normally this is a small price to pay as the talent produced gives the club guaranteed star players for the future.
We were in the unique position of having a rfu Academy but not able to offer academy stars the chance to play Premiership rugby. We spent much more of our income on our Academy than any of the other 13 clubs and got minimal benefit as the players were poached by Premiership clubs once they had a 10 or so Championship games under their belt.
Even our Academy managers were poached by Bath and Wasps.

I believe that Worcester were in a similar position a decade or so ago. They had to relinquish their rfu-licensed Academy due to financial difficulties.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: WPL (IP Logged)
Date: 04 July, 2019 09:00

Did I see some pictures on Twitter yesterday about a small group training up at Ilkley?

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 04 July, 2019 10:08

Training in butchery techniques at Lishman's, from what I saw.



If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Wharfedale1985 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 July, 2019 11:08

Yes at Lishmans, I hear Steve Boden has agreed to coach at Ilkley as well.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Tower (IP Logged)
Date: 04 July, 2019 11:50

Quote:
almostatyke
Just to explain a little more on why we cannot afford our academy. True the rfu gives grants for an officially-licensed Academy, but also true is that much of the money comes with strings attached. A lot of the investment has to be matched pound for pound, by the club. Normally this is a small price to pay as the talent produced gives the club guaranteed star players for the future.
We were in the unique position of having a rfu Academy but not able to offer academy stars the chance to play Premiership rugby. We spent much more of our income on our Academy than any of the other 13 clubs and got minimal benefit as the players were poached by Premiership clubs once they had a 10 or so Championship games under their belt.
Even our Academy managers were poached by Bath and Wasps.

I believe that Worcester were in a similar position a decade or so ago. They had to relinquish their rfu-licensed Academy due to financial difficulties.

Good information almostatyke the academy was just a nice to have and another tick for us to get us in the premiership. As you said we paid over and above for it and really did not benefit. Now look where we are? Hindsight is wonderful thing but we should not have paid so much into it and not have the benefit. Including pumping in more and more well over and above any other club.

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 July, 2019 19:38

I am expecting some coach and player news soon surely...

Re: The Cunning Plan
Posted by: Madtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 05 July, 2019 21:52


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