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Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: saracen1971 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 14:48

Good afternoon all,

Having been elected to sit on the forum I would like to take the opportunity to engage with fellow east standers prior to our initial meet. As this point in time I do not know who from the club will be present or how the format will develop however I don't want to waste opportunities.

I have sat on panels like this before and find that going armed with constructive solutions is the best way to shape what we want to achieve. For instance moaning the beer is rubbish wont get us far, but research into local brewers prepared to come and sell their product may get a look in.

Id like to think I've already helped make a difference and take very seriously the challenge ahead. So with that in mind, please use this thread or my social media to get in touch with issues as you see them, and an outline as to how best you feel it would be addressed. That way I can be confident in asking for something armed with a good reason why.

The new stadium development is a chance to do more than we may have been able to previously and so I hope we can make some decent suggestions which enhance AzP for all visitors.

We will of course report back with progress or at least some rationale as to why things are unable to change.

Thanks in advance..

Steve

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Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Wayoutwest (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 15:26

How about an appology from the club about how the impact of the way that the season ticket increase affected their belief in the club really cares about them and what they think?

Clearing the decks and all that.....

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Roger G (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 16:03

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Wayoutwest
How about an appology from the club about how the impact of the way that the season ticket increase affected their belief in the club really cares about them and what they think?
Clearing the decks and all that.....

+1

And even if it's too late to rewind on the events of the early summer, a future way of recognising fan loyalty would be good....set out in advance and honoured by the club. It doesn't have to be much, just a gesture that tells long term fans that their patronage is appreciated - e.g. I think there was one year when renewing ST holders got a free cap and pin badge, plus a previous season DVD, or something like that, and there was an early bird renewal discount for several years.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: flavman 35 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 19:35

I do believe that the ticket fiasco has had an effect on the atmosphere within the ground. Last season the atmosphere was the best i have know in my 15 years. Now it is quite poor

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: derbyshire fan (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 19:35

Steve - congrats on your election; I am still not sure how you are supposed to speak for all of us in the East stand, when only a small number of us are on here and maybe a few more on Facebook, but there you go!

While I think you are entirely right to focus on being constructive, I do think that the club needs to address the bad feeling of many supporters and season ticket holders on how the price rises at the end of last season were communicated; I know a goodly number of supporters who go back to the dark days at Vicarage Road and before who had previously felt that they had Saracens running through their blood - and for whom that is no longer the case. They may have renewed, or moved to a different seat - or indeed given up altogether - but the club needs to recognise the seriousness of this. How they should recognise this - whether the suggestion from WayoutWest, a discount for 2019/20 for all season ticket holders from 2017/18, or whatever - I don't know. But unless the club recognises this hurt, then the rest will not really address the big issue.

For the rest, as an East stand regular I am actually not too unhappy

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: saracen1971 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 19:57

Thanks so far.. point noted and I will find a way to convey your feelings (some of which I share.. I'm a season ticket holder paying much much more for the same seat) I'm also at the North End at #TheOasis for at least 2 hrs pre Kick off every home game if people want to.introduce themselves face to face...

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Stumpy7780 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 22:30

Would it be possible to make the request that the Pioneers stop people who are late or who are coming back from the bar during the game coming back to there seats until there’s a break in play. Last weekend we had to stand up about 5 times to allow people past whilst the game was still being played. Surely they can wait at the bottom of the stairs until there is a line out or scrum.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: SarrieSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 03 December, 2018 23:14

I missed the result beyond knowing that HS (who would have been excellent) missed out.

Did the East stand end up with just the one representative?

I think the most important thing is probably that a wider audience are aware that they now have a "representative" as I'm guessing for most of the East stand, SSA members and those who read this forum aside most don't have a clue.

Steve making himself available before games is a great start. Maybe if the club is serious they could run a little piece about it in the match program and introduce the reps to people that way?

My main question would be if they're still regularly falling 1500+ short a game having been sold-out much of last season will they revisit ticket prices next season? I think I know the answer but I'd quite like to have it in black and white.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: 1876-Fez (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 06:04

SarrieSaint "I missed the result beyond knowing that HS (who would have been excellent) missed out."

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Hospitality Season Ticket Holders - Gavin Jones

BAME Supporters - Denis Collen

Disabled Supporters - Helen Ellis

Local Supporters (Living in the stadium CPZ) - Steve Cracknell

Over 65s Supporters - Lesley Mayo

U25s Supporters - Emma Southam

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Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Roger G (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 07:21

Quote:
SarrieSaint
Did the East stand end up with just the one representative?

I do find it curious that the East Stand has only one representative. The East being the biggest stand, the rep has to speak for far more people than any other member of the forum, and those people are the ones who were treated worst with the price hike.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Sully08 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 09:15

Others on the Forum are affected too as I know of at least two reps who moved out of the East stand after the re-categorisation of their ticket on the try line to gold.

The club will probably point to the near full house at the weekend as vindication but the poor attendances before that have shown they misread the demand to fill a 10k capacity for currently the best team in England.

I agree with Steve that the Forum needs to come up with solutions and not be a whinge fest. The people I know on the panel will be coming to the Forum like Steve from a constructive how to improve things too.

So, I'd like to reinforce what others say that the club should apologise to the fans affected, that while we as fans understand they were trying to maximise the income to ensure the club moves into a trading profit sooner and to sustain the current success into the longer term. But that they went too big too soon. And then for the club to offer something to season ticket holders (sitting in the recategorised seats or those that moved) in the form a number of free tickets to Premiership cup matches for example to bring some new people to see Saracens and as a small token / first step in restoring some goodwill.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Rupes (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 09:40

If there's a Q&A (it may not be allowed), then please can someone ask regarding the non-rugby operations. Specifically:

1. Was the company in charge of non-rugby related matters appointed after a pitch process, in line with good corporate governance?

2. Whilst not disclosing commercial confidences, please can someone from the club confirm that SLAs exist in the contract, as do penalties for not meeting those SLAs.

3. How do the club view the performance of this company to date, given the ticketing issues at the start of the year, and what actions did the club take to ensure that this wouldn't be repeated?

Good luck to all on the forum and congratulations on being elected, will be very interested to see what comes out of it or if it's just a lame duck (through no fault of anyone's on the forum) - give it a chance I guess.



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Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: london pride (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 10:20

Sully08 You say that the club will probably point to a near full house at the weekend as vindication, but at this time last season there had been six full houses (or near)
I'm no expert in these things,but in my book that's a pretty good indication that attendances are down.Something that we are all aware off.No doubt somebody from the club will say that we are all mistaken, or that gates in Rugby generally are down,but this is a good old fashioned own goal.Lets hope the club admit this ,and do something positive about it.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: TOKS (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 12:00

Steve, congrats on being elected. I do know who you are and will say hi on Sunday if I see you.

I have one specific concern which is of a long-term nature ie. it won't come into effect until next season. I'll post it here rather than a PM in case anyone else is in the same boat (especially if they didn't know they were in the same boat).

I echo the comments above about the price rises, and especially those that say that this should be addressed in a non-confrontational, but still firm, way. My seat in E8 went from £450 to £700, and my son's 16-24 ticket from £170 to £400.

We know those numbers already. However, during the renewal process I was told that the 16-24 ticket would disappear at the end of this season and would go to the adult price, whatever that may be. Now I would seriously struggle with that and it may well be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Perhaps the club could be made aware of that so that they could consider a re-think.

I do think that the prices will need to be slightly reduced next year in order to get the stadium back to full. Not to 2017/18 levels but maybe somewhere in the middle.

Nice to see Debbie's name amongst the reps, she's a lovely lady. And the fact that she's a West Stand rep probably explains why I haven't seen her in the East Stand just in front of me this season!

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Jim 55 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 12:06

Can somebody ask the question regarding RWC2019 and how that will impact upon Saracens as a club. Will there be a reduction in the number of games played, is the season going to start later, if we have to wait until the end of October for our players to return will there be some sort of compensation for STH's? All highly unlikely I know but to pay the full price and see the international players less then normal may upset quite a few people.

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: BigBri (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 12:12

Quote:
derbyshire fan
Steve - congrats on your election; I am still not sure how you are supposed to speak for all of us in the East stand, when only a small number of us are on here and maybe a few more on Facebook, but there you go!
While I think you are entirely right to focus on being constructive, I do think that the club needs to address the bad feeling of many supporters and season ticket holders on how the price rises at the end of last season were communicated; I know a goodly number of supporters who go back to the dark days at Vicarage Road and before who had previously felt that they had Saracens running through their blood - and for whom that is no longer the case. They may have renewed, or moved to a different seat - or indeed given up altogether - but the club needs to recognise the seriousness of this. How they should recognise this - whether the suggestion from WayoutWest, a discount for 2019/20 for all season ticket holders from 2017/18, or whatever - I don't know. But unless the club recognises this hurt, then the rest will not really address the big issue.


For the rest, as an East stand regular I am actually not too unhappy


Have to agree with this point and have found myself feeling disconnected to a club I have followed since 1972 when I first started playing mini rugby at Sarries.I wrote to the club twice pouring my heart out in a disappointed rather than confrontational way. To this date I have received no reply and after much heart searching I renewed at the extortionate price of £1,040 up from £660. It has led to me finding hard to feel part of it and resentful especially as the atmosphere has diminished in E4 with being surrounded by people with freebie hospitality tickets and stumbling in 15 mins into the seats they couldn't find last Saturday. I don't enjoy the match day experience I don't like the beer and don't want to hang around long after the match anymore. People who know me know that we would be some of the last out of the bar at both VR and AP. Anyway Steve if you were to convey just half of the disappointment myself and a number of fans have felt about how this was handled it may make a difference in the future.



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Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: King Zak (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 14:58

Quote:
Jim 55
Can somebody ask the question regarding RWC2019 and how that will impact upon Saracens as a club. Will there be a reduction in the number of games played, is the season going to start later, if we have to wait until the end of October for our players to return will there be some sort of compensation for STH's? All highly unlikely I know but to pay the full price and see the international players less then normal may upset quite a few people.

From Prem rugby site:

Gallagher Premiership Season Dates from 2019-20 onwards
2019-20

Season Starts on weekend of 21 September with the Premiership Rugby Cup.
Gallagher Premiership Rugby starts on RWC quarter-final weekend: 20 October
Gallagher Premiership Rugby Final: 20 June

Read more at [www.premiershiprugby.com]



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Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: TonyTaff (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 15:32

Quote:
King Zak
Quote:
Jim 55
Can somebody ask the question regarding RWC2019 and how that will impact upon Saracens as a club. Will there be a reduction in the number of games played, is the season going to start later, if we have to wait until the end of October for our players to return will there be some sort of compensation for STH's? All highly unlikely I know but to pay the full price and see the international players less then normal may upset quite a few people.

From Prem rugby site:

Gallagher Premiership Season Dates from 2019-20 onwards
2019-20

Season Starts on weekend of 21 September with the Premiership Rugby Cup.
Gallagher Premiership Rugby starts on RWC quarter-final weekend: 20 October
Gallagher Premiership Rugby Final: 20 June

Read more at [www.premiershiprugby.com]

Quarter-final weekend?

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Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: Duncan96 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 15:56

Hi Steve
Congrats on your appointment.

Agree that it is necessary to be polite and positive but the question of the way the ticket rises were implemented and communicated needs to be addressed so that we can understand what kind of club management we are dealing with going forward.

So my question is: how do they feel it went with hindsight?

In particular:

My feeling is that a majority of supporters understand that Saracens needs to be self supporting and that losses need to be eliminated, but were the price rises implemented in the right way?

For loyal supporters could they not have been phased in over at least 2 years?

How do the management now view the communication at the time?
It basically consisted of: we are the champions, be part of the story, come and see some great rugby, here are the prices.
If the management really believes we are part of the "Saracens Family" couldn't they have treated fans more as adults, shared the thinking behind the price rises and been a little sympathetic about them?

As I say, I think its important to understand how they view the way that this was implemented with hindsight, as it will inform as to how we, as fans, will be treated going forward.

Cheers

Re: Fans Forum 1st Meeting - 11th Dec
Posted by: LesleyM (IP Logged)
Date: 04 December, 2018 18:04

I have been elected to represent over 65s. As I have had a season ticket for 20 years & sit isn the east stand I fully understand the enormous frustrations we have endured this year. Most of the issues affect us all whether we are young or old.

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