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Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 20:53

I realise we've barely put away the tackle bags from this season but, for a bit of fun, if everyone's fit and raring to go, what would your squad be for the first game of next season?

My effort below:

Watson, Roko, JJ, Willison, Brew, Priestland, Kahn.
Obano, Dunn, Thomas, Attwood, Ewels, Garvey (c), Louw, Faletau.
Cokanasiga, Burns, Chudley, Underhill, Stooke, Lahiff, Catt, Walker.

Some thoughts...
It's really difficult! More tough choices to make than in many seasons I reckon.
Willison over Roberts is just a hunch that he might bring something a bit extra on a hard, fast September track but it could have gone either way.
Kahn starts for me with Chudley growing into the squad. What depth at 9. Poor Cooky.
That's some power on the bench. And some power in the boxes in the Teacher's Stand, including Homer, Roberts, Cook, Batty, Charteris, Ellis, Mercer etc.
Most pleasingly for me was that Obano and Dunn were almost the first names on my teamsheet. 12 months ago I'd never have thought that. I can't wait to see how they go next year.

Exciting.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 21:40

I've never been convinced by Rhys or Freddie, but I want to see Freddie play more than I want to see Rhys.

Khan has been great, but age was getting to him this season and he won't get younger next season.

I don't know a lot about Willison, so I tend to favour Roberts.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 22:38

Much the same Dr Bath with the exceptions of Ellis over Garvey and possibly Chudley at 9. Still unconvinced by our TH choices. Willinson will be a revelation for us this year I think.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 22:38

There is some really tough choices across the majority of the positions.

I'd like to see

Obano, Dunn, Thomas, Ewels (c), Attwood, Underhill, Louw, Faletau, Chudley, Priestland, Brew, Roberts, JJ, Roko, Watson.

Walker, Catt, Lahiff, Garvey, Ellis, Kahn, Burns, Vuna.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: BathBurger (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 22:57

Agree about Willison, been watching him for Worcester and he certainly offers a more versatile game than Roberts perhaps with less umph. So for the first few games on hard pitches mine would look like this:

1. Obano
2. Dunn
3. Thomas
4. Ewels
5. Attwood/Stooke
6. Garvey (c)
7. Louw
8. Faletau
9. Chudley
10. Burns
11. Cokanasiga
12. Willison
13. JJ
14. Roko
15. Watson

16. Walker 17. Catt 18. Lahiff 19. Stooke/Ellis 20. Mercer 21. Kahn 22. Rhys 23. Brew/Vuna

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: quanco (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 23:05

Obano, Dunn, Thomas
Ewels, Attwood
Ellis, Louw, Faletau
Chudley, Priestland
Roberts, Willinson
Brew, Roko, Homer

Walker, Catt, Lahiff, Stooke, Garvey, CC, Burns, Wilson

I donít personally think JJ and AW will be back in time for the first game of the season - maybe JJ but AW Iíd assume is doubtful. Very tough to leave out Underhill and I really do hope Wilson stays on board.



Anthony Perenise [Bath Rugby] - Adopted Player 2017/18

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 23:18

Is Clark our only other option at 13?

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 23:31

Max Wright? Plus either Wilson?

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: quanco (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2018 23:51

RMCC might have potential in 13 birth as well?



Anthony Perenise [Bath Rugby] - Adopted Player 2017/18

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 06:13

Jackson Willison plays 12 or 13.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 08:50

Iím losing track of who is with us now but it will be a pity if we canít incorporate that old City firm of Wilson, Willison & Wilson into our back line (Sm100)

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 09:38

It will be interesting to see which Jamie Roberts turns up and how Clark comes back. Louw also needs to return to top form to guaranteee a starting place. All of this will not matter a bit, if we don't sort out the scrum.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 09:47

It's interesting that we don't have any signings that slot straight into anyone's starting pack. Attwood will feel like a new signing if he comes back fit. And others - Catt, Batty, Underhill - have been out for so long that their fitness will be a welcome boost, too.

Can't help thinking that a world-class tighthead might still be required if we're going to take the step up to challenge the top 4. Thomas is only 26, so he's got time to develop into a top rate TH, but if we want to give our back row and Girvan's backs the best opportunity to cause damage we need a destructive scrum.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 10:08

Yes TH is a bit of a weakness, Perenise is probably our best option but at 35, you wouldn't expect him to play much. IIRC our scrum was fairly successful just before Thomas came back.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: Pie-Half (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 10:27

I am assuming that all players are available and no injuries or last minute stellar signings, but

1-Catt, 2-Walker, 3-Lahiff, 4-Stooke, 5-Attwood, 6-Zach, 7-Underhill, 8-TF
9-Chudley, 10-Burns, 11-JC, 12-Roberts, 13-JJ, 14-Rocko, 15-Watson

subs - Obano, Walker, Nixon/Vaughan, Garvs, Ellis, Kahn, RP, Willison



Andy Goode's body double.

Bring back rucking and speed up the game. Simple, for rucks sake.

A.B.L.

Levi Douglas - Adopted player 2017/18
Tom Homer - Adopted player 2016/17

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 10:37

DrBath, the answer to your TH question is Paul Hill at Bath, under the right coach, i really feel like he can be a top top TH prop. Not sure about his contract situation at saints but that is someone I would have my eye on if I am Bath

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 10:50

Quote:
Barnetsarrie12
DrBath, the answer to your TH question is Paul Hill at Bath, under the right coach, i really feel like he can be a top top TH prop. Not sure about his contract situation at saints but that is someone I would have my eye on if I am Bath

I think that we have probably missed that boat with the recent Saints coaching changes

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Dorian West clearly didn't fancy him but he seems to be right back in favour now.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 10:53

Dorian West at the end was lost as a coach, I don't know what he was doing or what Hill did to him but, he just did not like the guy.

Looking forward to seeing what a good forwards coach does with him as not only is he really good at scrummaging, although he can get better, he is great around the field, carrying, really strong at the breakdown and he is only 23.

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: Barnetsarrie12 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 11:05

I know I am not a Bath fan but my team based on the players you have would be
1. Obano
2.Dunn
3. Thomas
4. Ewels
5. Attwood
6.Ellis (He is a better player than Garvey imo and he is only getting better)
7.Louw
8.Toby
9.Kahn
10. Rhys
11. Flying Joe
12.Roberts
13.Joseph
14.Roko
15. Watson

I have been very impressed with Obano this season and I think he should be first choice, his scrummaging would improve and around the field, he is much better than Catt, the hits he puts on boys are impressive, he does not just tackle, he really hits people, Attwood coming back will help your set piece and I like Attwood and putting him with a young mobile lock in Ewels, who will be looking to make the WC squad, that should be a good combo with Stooke on the bench. Your back row, I think Ellis is a better player than Garvey in my opinion and better upside, Louw and Toby pick themselves in the rest of the back row. I think Underhill needs to develop his attacking game as that is an area he is lacking in and Mercer has to continue to become a more physical player, those are the 2 who are back ups in the back row. The backs well I just picked the ones I know, I don't have any real analysis of your backs although I would go Rhys over Freddie

Re: Your XXIII for first game next season?
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2018 11:30

Quote:
Pie-Half
I am assuming that all players are available and no injuries or last minute stellar signings, but
1-Catt, 2-Walker, 3-Lahiff, 4-Stooke, 5-Attwood, 6-Zach, 7-Underhill, 8-TF
9-Chudley, 10-Burns, 11-JC, 12-Roberts, 13-JJ, 14-Rocko, 15-Watson

subs - Obano, Walker, Nixon/Vaughan, Garvs, Ellis, Kahn, RP, Willison

Interesting selection! No Flouw, Ellis or Henry T in the 23?

I think that Stooke and Attwood are both better as tighthead locks. Good though Walker is, Dunn would be one of the first names on my teamsheet. I think it was discussed the other day that both JC and Roko are right wingers?

(Fun exercise BTW, interesting how people watching exactly the same games see different strengths and weaknesses in players.)

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