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Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2019 19:15

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 21/05/2019 10:24 by P G Tips.

Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2019 20:52

Superb summary as always PGT. Well done.

Regrettably, I cannot see us winning as our pack is somewhat neutered with no Attwood and will be out fought/muscled by Leicester's wizened older players and are not up to their physical challenge. Tigers will play keep ball and kick for position and George will wait for the penalties to come and mount on the scoreboard.

Unless things change, with no noticeable replacement for the likes of Attwood, we will have to get used to our pack being bullied, as has happened over the last 2/3 seasons, and will continue next year unless some of our forwards muscle up and grow some. Sale and Bristol are building huge physical strong packs which will blow us away unless things change and the late arriving Hatley can reverse things. Hooper thinking/planning that the forwards he will have available can dominate sides is on current evidence a pipe dream and one that we will suffer from. Similarly, if we get in the top Euro competition, without rough tough forwards we will only be making up the numbers.

With the back 3 we are able to field, it is a criminal waste of talent when those guys will never get a regular flow of decent fast clean ball, especially for a 9 & 10 having to live off scraps from a retreating beaten pack.

Still I have renewed my season ticket and look forward to another season of rebuilding and underachieving.



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Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2019 21:37

BoB Attwood has been off form in the last few games.

You obviously haven't been watching Stooke and Levi Douglas.

Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 15 May, 2019 23:05

Agree BnG, since you've been away BoB the club have recruited to have a decent set of forwards and added an excellent forwards coach. Your old argument has died a death.
In addition there is a danger in engaging in anti SH rhetoric you are contradicting yourself.

I don't like the absence of a new HC but Stuart Hooper is spot on with concentrating on the forwards, it all starts there. Backs will find ways of scoring tries behind a forward rumbling pack.



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Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Bathovalballer (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2019 08:53

Fully agree Shipwreck about sorting out the forwards but these signings and our existing pack have a mountain to climb when compared with the other Prem forward packs.

Stooke hasn't even got on the field in the last game and should be a nailed on starter from what I have seen. He shows more guts and grit than most and I watched the last TB video on Somerset Live and hear something about him not making enough tackles. Bizarre.

I have always been a fan of Douglas after seeing him in a United game 2 seasons ago, and have hopes he will fill out and develop into a top class forward. However he has a long way to go yet and similarly so has Ewels. When Douglas came on against Wasps, partnering Ewels, the first scrum dissolved as if no one was pushing. It didn't happen when Atters was there. Another reason for Stooke starting as well.

And Garvey is not and should never be a starting second row, bench cover at best. Perhaps he could captain the United.

As for the prop signings, at least they are young and will hopefully under Hatley's guidance get better as they get stronger and with more experience, but not for a season or two. Boyce has never kicked on at Quins and regrettably Stuart has got a serious injury which probably will mean he misses preseason. Now Judge does excite me, having seen him play for the Cornish Pirates and latterly hold his own at Saracens.

As a fan, I have watched every Bath game but one this season and can see the glaring weaknesses in skill levels, passing, support running, driving maul (which is why we should never attempt one near the try line), decision making and on field leadership. The latter could paper over many cracks but the troops either are not 'led' or cannot be bothered or ignor the leader. To me this is a real problem that needs resolving.

This Tigers game is a good place to start as they are playing poorly and lack personnel and confidence. If we have a modicum of pride and resilience, should consider this game as a win after our last game. However, with our mental fragility and unable to withstand pressure points in a game, I regret this will not be the case. Let's hope I am wrong.



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Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2019 16:56

Good summary, Tigers may be off form but you can guarantee they won't be when playing Bath at Welford road !
I believe McNally will certainly add some go forward in the pack next season. (Sm128)



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Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2019 18:03

Thanks PG tips, it depends on which Tigers team turns up and can they put it together for more minutes if they look like people who have met each other before.

The players arenít bad individuals but something is dreadfully wrong as a collective on and off the pitch.

I watched your game v Wasps and could only admire the fight.

Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 11:58

Team Up. Watson's 100th appearance:

Bath Rugby team to face Leicester Tigers

15. Anthony Watson

14. Joe Cokanasiga

13. Jonathan Joseph

12. Max Wright

11. Ruaridh McConnochie

10. Freddie Burns

9. Will Chudley

1. Beno Obano

2. Tom Dunn

3. Max Lahiff

4. Levi Douglas

5. Charlie Ewels (c)

6. Tom Ellis

7. Sam Underhill

8. Zach Mercer

Replacements

16. Ross Batty

17. Jacques van Rooyen

18. Sam Nixon

19. Elliott Stooke

20. Francois Louw

21. Kahn Fotualiíi

22. Rhys Priestland

23. Semesa Rokoduguni


PG

Re: In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 11:59

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Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:00

Would have preferred Stooke to start if honest. Surprised that Flouw is available - hope he is fit enough, but what a sub to bring on with the game in the balance!

COYB!

PG

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:02

Leicester Tigers (v Bath Rugby, Welford Road, Saturday 4.00pm)

15 George Worth

14 Sam Aspland-Robinson

13 Matt Smith

12 Kyle Eastmond

11 Clayton Blommetjies

10 George Ford

9 Sam Harrison

1 Ellis Genge

2 Tom Youngs (c)

3 Dan Cole

4 Will Spencer

5 Graham Kitchener

6 Mike Fitzgerald

7 Brendon OíConnor

8 Sione Kalamafoni

Replacements

16 Tatafu Polota-Nau

17 Facundo Gigena

18 Joe Heyes

19 Harry Wells

20 Valentino Mapapalangi

21 Ben White

22 Tom Hardwick

23 Leonardo Sarto

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:04

Thanks Shadders.

I can see this being one hell of a battle royal. Neither club's record suggests quality can be taken for granted, but this looks closely matched and could well be highly exciting.

PG

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:07

Tigers' pack should be doing a hell of a lot more than they have recently been achieving. Our team looks strong, stronger in the backs and bench I feel. Hopefully they continue to play slightly more like drains than us.

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:09

Bath team looks strong - very pleased that Levi gets a chance to start after his cameo against Wasps. In the Chron Todd mentioned that Stooke was being rested after a long season but also that he wanted him to get involved a bit more when he comes on - I suspect that now he is seen as covering 6 he is being used as a strong and versatile lock / back row sub?

Leicesters team is reflective of their backs being down to bare bones due to injuries etc. and nothing but pride to play for - I'm sure that they will want to finish on a high at home after a tough season.

COYB!



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Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:37

I must say that Iíve never heard of some of their backs which donít look too impressive. Their pack looks pretty strong though. No idea what to expect but we ought to have s good chance of 4 points but that may not be enough anyway.

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:44

Let's hope we can improve on our solitary Welford Road win since 2003...

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:45

Quote:
Bath Hammer
I must say that Iíve never heard of some of their backs which donít look too impressive. Their pack looks pretty strong though. No idea what to expect but we ought to have s good chance of 4 points but that may not be enough anyway.

Well we know a lot about their 10 but 14 and 15 are young, fast and quality

I rate their bench 9 too

With usual 16th man of welford road it will be tough. Need to keep discipline as yellow cards will bolster tiger forwards and crowd but if we can do that and stop them slowing up our ball 5 points is very possible

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: ballsout (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 12:47

Their pack really isn't up to much, especially back 5.

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 13:51

Quote:
ballsout
Their pack really isn't up to much, especially back 5.

That is just so disrespectful. Spencer is a tough, hard running cookie, Kalamofoni can do the power stuff with big hits and carries, O'Connor more than a decent GP jackler and that's before you look at two international props

They may be seriously under-performing to date but the inspiration of one last performance for pride in front of home crowd against old foe could see a very different team

Just hope your statement doesn't find its way on to their dressing team wall for pre-match prep

Re: Team Up. In The Tiger Den: Leicester v Bath
Posted by: Shorty Shorty iiv (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2019 13:53

Glos not up for doing us any favours as they rest a lot for the trip to Sale, we're going to need those 5 points as Sale have more wins than us and 4 points would secure them 6th.

Gloucester Rugby:

Charlie Sharples; 14. Tom Seabrook, 13. Henry Purdy, 12. Matt Banahan, 11. Ollie Thorley; 10. Lloyd Evans, 9. Callum Braley; 1. Kyle Traynor, 2. Henry Walker, 3. Gareth Denman; 4. Tom Savage (capt), 5. Gerbrandt Grobler; 6. Jake Polledri, 7. Lewis Ludlow, 8. Gareth Evans


Replacements:

Todd Gleave, 17. Alex Seville, 18. Paddy McAllister, 19. Alex Craig, 20. Aaron Hinkley, 21. Ben Vellacott, 22. Dom Coetzer, 23. Tom Marshall


Sale
Sale Sharks: 15.Chris Ashton; 14.Denny Solomona, 13.Sam James, 12.James OíConnor, 11.Byron McGuigan; 10.AJ MacGinty, 9.Faf de Klerk; 1.Ross Harrison, 2.Rob Webber, 3.WillGriff John, 4.Josh Beaumont, 5.James Phillips, 6.Ben Curry, 7.Tom Curry, 8.Jono Ross (capt.)

Replacements: 16.Curtis Langdon, 17.Valerey Morozov, 18.Joe Jones, 19.Bryn Evans, 20.Josh Strauss, 21.Will Cliff, 22.Luke James, 23.Arron Reed.



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