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It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: DOK (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 18:41

Great quote from John Cleese.

I've been thinking about this for a while. Were we a team like London Irish (and I'm not having a pop at them) but we played like a team 11th/12th in the table then being thumped by the likes of Wasps would not hurt so much. If we knew from the gitgo that Sunday would be a massacre, yes I'd still have turned out. I'd still support the team. That's what a supporter does. If you support Stoke but they're playing Man City, you know the probable outcome, but you turn up (and stay till the end).

The glory and the pain of Harlequins is that's exactly what you don't know. One minute they're stuffing Saracens, the next minute they're losing to London Irish! They can beat Wasps when it matters for Europe, but not 14 men in the Premiership. They can have a game where the defence is better that the Great Wall of China, next game it's made of sponge and tissue paper!

It's the fact I know how well they can play that makes this so aggravating! If they were just a bunch of no hope dullards propping up positions 10-8 in the table, then we'd know where we were. But they're not! This team could easily be top four material, if it always played to the best of its ability. But it doesn't. One week we're in Heaven, the next we're in Hell. And there's no discernible rhyme or reason that anyone can make out as to why.

The reason why eludes the coaches and players (and the fans, I believe). To watch a performance like last Sunday's is made ten times worse when you know that is not how Harlequins play! When you know how much better they can be, watching an example of keystone kops rugby is just so much worse. And yet we did good things! We butchered a number of chances, the stats generally were on our side (except for penalties), so why couldn't we put away 14 men? I don't know but it's damned irritating!

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Nev's Left Boot (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 18:59

In total agreement - part of watching Quins for over 25 years, outside of 2011,12,13 - we've always been like this.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 19:14

These are different players and different coaches. This stuff about quins culture is nonsense.

We know why, it's the coaches. That's what we've been telling you for 4 seasons now. COS went well past his sell by date, and his replacement is not up to it.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: blucherquin (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 20:00

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RodneyRegis
These are different players and different coaches. This stuff about quins culture is nonsense.
We know why, it's the coaches. That's what we've been telling you for 4 seasons now. COS went well past his sell by date, and his replacement is not up to it.

Well according to Easter’s post match - it’s the players

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: DOK (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 20:21

WHat stuff about Quins culture?

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 21:03

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blucherquin
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RodneyRegis
These are different players and different coaches. This stuff about quins culture is nonsense.
We know why, it's the coaches. That's what we've been telling you for 4 seasons now. COS went well past his sell by date, and his replacement is not up to it.

Well according to Easter’s post match - it’s the players

Coaches and players.

Remember the letter to all fans after that bad loss at home to Newcastle? An apology by the skipper? Well...

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: RodneyRegis (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 21:15

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DOK
WHat stuff about Quins culture?

We've done this for the last 25 years.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Rocker (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 21:25

We're horribly inconsistent. The same players can be great one week and atrocious the next.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Meadway Meanderer (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 22:13

I always feel were dependent on one or two players more than most teams. If Robshaw and Horwill aren't on the team sheet I'm worried our forwards aren't going to front up. Nearly at the same level are Care and Brown in the backs.

Also I sometimes feel we don't have a clear game plan but rather are reliant on some great individual play to score tries and win matches.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Teddington Taff (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 22:15

The frustrations as expressed I think we all share but....Come on!!!!
They are trying to break the mould but it takes time.
I know we'll all stay with it but it is sooooooo frustrating.
COYQ

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: kevin (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 22:21

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Teddington Taff
The frustrations as expressed I think we all share but....Come on!!!! They are trying to break the mould but it takes time.
I know we'll all stay with it but it is sooooooo frustrating.
COYQ

No. Poor assessment on all levels.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Bedfordshire Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 22:41

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Nev's Left Boot
In total agreement - part of watching Quins for over 25 years, outside of 2011,12,13 - we've always been like this.

Sadly so so true.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Mr_B (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 22:51

For me we were clueless at the weekend, not a single mature head amongst the players, when you are a man up you typically stretch the defence to open up the gap, we stuffed the ball up our forwards jumpers and persisted the entire game to try to push over the line with an overlap standing out wide waiting for a ball that never came. We took ages to get the ball out of any situation, the ref was standing multiple times flapping his hands shouting balls out and we just stood open mouthed while wasps stepped over and picked up the ball on offer. We kicked the ball away with less than 20 minutes on the clock and 3 converted tries needed and our defence was AWOL completely. There is no one individual here to blame it's a mixture of coaching and some really poor decision making on the pitch.

We miss our senior players experience to stop the stupid happening, the players are capable as we have seen them perform against strong opposition but their decision making (or lack of it) if not kept in check can be appalling as on Sunday.

Is our defence strategy so complex they can't remember what to do, can we not go through the bloody basics with the players when under certain conditions so it is drilled into them?

That was an infuriating game to watch and probably the worst I have seen us play in 25 years considering we shipped 6 tries against 14 men for best part of the game, we were poor in the relegation year but even that team would have done better against 14 men.

the team has the ability to be so much better, I have never been so frustrated with them as on Sunday.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: T-Bone (IP Logged)
Date: 13 February, 2018 23:58

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blucherquin
Quote:
RodneyRegis
These are different players and different coaches. This stuff about quins culture is nonsense.
We know why, it's the coaches. That's what we've been telling you for 4 seasons now. COS went well past his sell by date, and his replacement is not up to it.

Well according to Easter�s post match - it�s the players

What did he say? Missed that

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Bolly-Quin (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 00:06

Rather than quote all Mr B’s text, I agree and more frustrating still is the inability to learn, week on week. We’ve been here too often and it’s just not getting any better, worse even.

So saddening to see players that should have a great opportunity waste it while the coaches stand by wibbling and wobbling and getting the pasting they deserve...

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: blucherquin (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 06:29

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T-Bone
Quote:
blucherquin
Quote:
RodneyRegis
These are different players and different coaches. This stuff about quins culture is nonsense.
We know why, it's the coaches. That's what we've been telling you for 4 seasons now. COS went well past his sell by date, and his replacement is not up to it.

Well according to Easter�s post match - it�s the players

What did he say? Missed that

Eaater

what is the atmosphere like in the dressing room at the moment?

Its like a morgue. To be honest, I’d say that the performance was more embarrassing than it was disappointing. We were bested in every single aspect of the game, and for the most part by fourteen men. We couldn’t look after the ball, we were very inaccurate, and Wasps did a job on us at the breakdown. We switched off in defense and didn’t stick to our system principles. They had the edge at the set piece, and as a result, they had the lion's share of territory and possession. Obviously, we will be going over this match frenziedly, and then look to get the boys to re-group ahead of an immensely difficult match away at Welford Road. Leicester, like us, are struggling in terms of consistency and form, so this will be a huge test of character for the whole squad, and we must learn the lessons from this week. We can’t afford to go off-script like we did this afternoon. There is a lot of work to be done, but I’m confident that we can get back at it.

There was some good rugby played by us today, despite the result. Consistency seems to be the biggest issue for us, how can we remedy this on the training pitch?

You do it by not conceding sloppy tries early in the match. We let their nine go through the centre of our ruck in the first half, which is something you simply cannot do at this level. We butchered a huge number of chances in the first half, and our urgency and accuracy at the breakdown was simply not good enough. Fair play to Wasps, they selected a side to attack us in those key areas, especially with the big lads that they brought off the bench at the death, but we just didn’t front up. How the match was refereed is irrelevant – you have the power to dictate the pace of your ball, so there’s no point complaining about that. In the second half, we started really well with the Morris try, but again our accuracy let us down. We potentially mentally lapsed after the early red card, but the messages we sent on at the half way mark was to deal with the breakdown, and that is something which we failed to do.

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Jammy Git (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 09:02

That seems an accurate assessment of what went wrong, no?



O Fortuna, velut luna statu variabilis,
semper crescis aut decrescis

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: blucherquin (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 09:06

Quote:
Jammy Git
That seems an accurate assessment of what went wrong, no?

Yeah but posted it coz he’s clearly saying the players went AWOL and didn’t do their jobs

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: T-Bone (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 09:08

Seem like reasonable comments. At the breakdown, Wallace seems to have completely lost his mojo, and I'm not sure it has anything to do with his hip. Ward doesn't seem to have adapted to the law changes at all. Not sure about the others really. But then if we do get quick ball it's pointless if our 9 then just stands there for a while then slowly throws the ball at our 10's feet

Re: It's Not the Despair, Laura.
Posted by: Kent Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2018 09:18

RR says different players and different coaches.....this is not completely true. The coaches have been there for a long time.....plus some of the new coaches were players.

One benefit of bringing in experienced internationals like Roberts, Horwill, Visser etc should be their nous and input into the training pitch atmosphere etc.

We’ve been STH since 2000 and JK was there before then Tofty was a player then a coach the list goes on. The only real big change was under Deano with Andy Friend and the legacy of this was the premiership winning squad. Deano being hired wasn’t totally accepted initially but changed the “culture” especially the defence and took us from hardlywins to a team to fear.

We need someone a bit scary again to give the squad that edge again and for them to fulfill their playing potential. Brown, Care, Robshaw, Ward, Luamanu, Sinckler, Marler Horwill (when fit!) will not be there forever. Young Chis, Wallace, Clifford, Marcus will not stay if their international futures are at risk.....we need change!

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