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Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: St.Sinner (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 16:46

Wondering what people's thoughts are on what approach we should take Saturday & team selection to suit?

Of course more of the same would be nice but we need to adapt game plans to what's in front of us:
A embarrassed Gloucester on their home patch looking to make amends for last weeks hammering & a lacklustre start to a promising season.

Do we continue with Harry at 10 and continue as normal. Or go with Myler & a more pragmatic approach, kick the goals, tactical kicking, less wow factor but more consistency in game control.

Harry can appear to lose composure at times.

Myler might not get the backline firing the same but perhaps things will be different now everyone's on form around him?

Whichever one starts will give a big indication of tactics for the day.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 17:04

Tactical kicking = giving it to Woodward. Don't do that.

I'd stick with winning formula for now......

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: Saint Robert (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 17:11

Harry ' s not a 10 so I would start with Myler. Could be a close game so kicking the points will be important.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: Lamont4Saints (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 17:14

Stick with what works. Myler stands way too deep to let Burrell do his thing.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: tedge (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 17:26

No change in the backs - Myler on the bench to manage game closure if required. Hartley to start or bench ?

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 18:04

When everyone is fit, Harry is the third best 10 at the club, at best. He says himself that he'd prefer to play 15.

Myler for me with Harry on the bench but what happens when Piers is fully integrated, it may give Jim a very awkward conversation with his son.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: andysaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 19:30

Play your best players in their best positions where possible and where fit. Harry is not the sole reason why the backs are scoring tries. We are finally getting some quick rucked ball from 6 7 and 8, we are winning collisions guys like Paterson are stepping up and turning over ball and our 9 is being given an easy ride. Burrell is certainly being afforded more space but there is confidence in the back line that allows players to play their game without fear of being caught short. For me Dylan is our best hooker and starts same with Myler at 10.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: TerraceD-ave (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 19:34

Myler for me with Harry on the bench (good cover for 10.12.13 or 15)
We are away from home, and prefer Mylers game management and more conservative approach.

Not sure if Courtney is due a rest, Wood, Gibson & Harrison as a possible back row which should provide plenty of ball carrying options for Groom to operate from.

We may have the luxury of a plan b, if chasing the game in 2nd half, if the Glaws that beat Chiefs turn up.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: TringSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 20:29

I don't get this obsession for dropping players from a winning team.

Harry has been part of a team that has won 4 games on the bounce and which has secured 19 out of a maximum of 25 league points.

On what basis can anyone here drop any player from the team other than for injury or rotation? (Fly half is hardly a rotation position)

By all means have Francis or Myler on the bench and bring on as needed but don't start dropping players just because you don't think they are the best in that position. After all, for all we know Harry's style might be perfect for Luther!

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: DesboroughSaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 20:44

Quote:
Lamont4Saints
Stick with what works. Myler stands way too deep to let Burrell do his thing.

Yup, and Groom, Horne, Collins, North, Cortney, etc - bloody good player though and committed saint, so am sure if picked would up his game and surprise us all, again smiling smiley hell definitely get game time this season, but would personally go with young Harry, knowing exactly what myler could bring if Harry struggles at a tricky ground. Would like to think wed be looking for 5 points, so would go attacking as possible with selection. We should be aiming for 4 tries every game

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 20:53

Quote:
TringSaint
I don't get this obsession for dropping players from a winning team.
Harry has been part of a team that has won 4 games on the bounce and which has secured 19 out of a maximum of 25 league points.

On what basis can anyone here drop any player from the team other than for injury or rotation? (Fly half is hardly a rotation position)

By all means have Francis or Myler on the bench and bring on as needed but don't start dropping players just because you don't think they are the best in that position. After all, for all we know Harry's style might be perfect for Luther!


Totally agree. One minute the same posters are suggesting players like Rob Horne have to earn the shirt. The next week they want to drop Harry with whom we've played the most exciting rugby in years.

I do agree other very important elements like better collisions, Groome rapidly ball etc.

IMHO Piers owns the shirt when fit, he's a super rugby 10 and in the England squad, can do it all. For now I'd stick with the winning formula....

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: andysaint (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 21:01

Quote:
TringSaint
I don't get this obsession for dropping players from a winning team.
Harry has been part of a team that has won 4 games on the bounce and which has secured 19 out of a maximum of 25 league points.

On what basis can anyone here drop any player from the team other than for injury or rotation? (Fly half is hardly a rotation position)

By all means have Francis or Myler on the bench and bring on as needed but don't start dropping players just because you don't think they are the best in that position. After all, for all we know Harry's style might be perfect for Luther!

Its not dropping its sensible rotation. Look at the games these players are playing, since 12 August there will have been a game every weekend until the first rest for the first team being 11 November when the AWC starts. Considering we have Clermont, Sarries, Exeter and Wasps after Gloucester there needs to be other options available. With all due respect to Harry, weve had some good wins but face tougher opposition to come. Whilst there has been some good, there has been some aimless kicking and game management which will be important in games to come.



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Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: fleetg (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 21:29

Totally agree andysaint.
HLTW : I don't mean to be picky but you have contradicted yourself somewhat. You totally agree with not dropping players from a winning team yet as soon as Piers is fit tbe shirt is his no matter what !

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: Saintly Pursuit (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 21:36

I may be wrong but I think that Harry has played every minute of every game this season so might be due a rest.

For those who advocate not changing a wining team; when do the players get a rest? Nothing is won in October but sensible rotation now might pay off later in the season.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 21:58

I wouldn't change the key members of this exciting,new and succesful back division and certainly not regress to a staid No 10.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 22:11

Quote:
fleetg
Totally agree andysaint.
HLTW : I don't mean to be picky but you have contradicted yourself somewhat. You totally agree with not dropping players from a winning team yet as soon as Piers is fit tbe shirt is his no matter what !


Because Piers is awesome and Myler is not. IMHO different level.

No contradiction.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: HungryLikeTheWolf (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 22:14

For the record I think we would be fine with any of the 3 at 10. Just Francis is another level than the other 2, hence why he is in Eddie's squad even whilst injured. And they're not.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: charlieemeriau (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 22:17

It's a tough one, because overall I think Harry has done well at 10, but I thought our performance against Quins at home was not our best, % of kicking at goals should have been higher and a few kicks in play that went astray, although great combination with Collins for a very nice try.
If Francis fit I would be tempted to throw him in, but Myler otherwise, and if Dylan fit start him to add a bit of weight as I fear Gloucester will try to go back to basics and make it physical rather than an open game.

It sounds weird, but i think we need to win this, because the next 4 games look real tough Saracens, Clermont, Wasps, Exeter.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: Guildford Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 22:22

Quote:
TringSaint
I don't get this obsession for dropping players from a winning team.
Harry has been part of a team that has won 4 games on the bounce and which has secured 19 out of a maximum of 25 league points.

On what basis can anyone here drop any player from the team other than for injury or rotation? (Fly half is hardly a rotation position)!

Agree... stick with what's worked. He's done a good job, and until he consistently doesn't, he's earned the right to start.

Re: Gloucester Gameplan
Posted by: SaintMaul (IP Logged)
Date: 04 October, 2017 23:02

There is also the perspective of building for the future.

We are evolving a style of play that doesn't play to Myler's strengths and his lack of attacking threat risks blunting the re-energised outside back players like North and Burrell who look confident and re-born.

IMHO it's a significant risk reverting back that we lose the new edge we have discovered. And it's not like we have the dominant scrum to play a kicking territory game anyway.

My take is looking to next season we will have Biggar, Francis and Mallinder as options at 10 whilst hoping Stephen gets a good contract elsewhere.

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