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Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: MarchingIn (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 20:48

Bonus point win for Warriors & a 4 point win for Falcons leave Tigers 5 points off the bottom, with a visit from Exeter Chiefs next & an away trip to Falcons to come.

They won't get relegated though... will they?



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Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 20:51

Who knows... we did. So did quins. You just cant tell.

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: andysaint (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 20:52

The points difference won’t help them

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Houghton Saint (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 20:59

Top four are safe, the rest need to pay attention !

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: ramseysaint (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 21:27

Quote:
Houghton Saint
Top four are safe, the rest need to pay attention !

Top 5*

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Scrummy (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 22:01

I think it will be down to momentum and the run in as to who will survive and who will be relegated.

Newcastle seem to have momentum on their side. Leicester quite the opposite.

However Leicester do have a star-studded squad that might be enough to get them out of trouble.

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 22:29

Looking at their fixtures you think they’re in trouble:-


Exeter (H)
Newcastle (A)
Bristol (H)
Quins (A)
Bath (H)


can’t see them beating Exeter, Quins or Bath


Currently Bristol and Newcastle are better sides too.... yikes

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Sir Hector (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 22:34

They’ll likely loose next week, but so too Falcons and Worcester. Crux will be away to Falcons, loose that and they’re sraring down the barrel of relegation. Do they have the collective will to survive or will they implode?
Eddie Jones won’t want to be taking half a dozen championship players to the World Cup!

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: SaintMaul (IP Logged)
Date: 23 March, 2019 23:33

Imagine what Boyd could do with the quality of players in the Tigers backline. Youngs, Ford, Toomua, Tuilagi, May, Olowelafela, Veanu should be absolutely ripping it up. Instead Tigers' gameplan seemed to be bash it up and little else. Did May get the ball passed to him even once?

Tigers' Board and the players who have dictating who is DoR need to take a long look in the mirror IMHO. Murphy is the 4th DoR in 27 months and he is the least experienced DoR in the Premiership. I was amazed they awarded him the DoR role permanently given how they performed whilst he was caretaker DoR. So this largely self-inflicted. I feel sorry for Tigers' fans.

With the quality of players they shouldn't be in a relegation fight but Tigers' confidence looks shot. With the weekend results Tigers are now serious relegation candidates.

Anyone anti relegation; consider how riverting this season's relegation battle has been compared to how disinterested we'd be with the bottom with no relegation. Plus it's making all teams fight tooth and nail which wouldn't happen without relegation.

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 08:15

The problem SaintMaul with getting rid of so many DORs is you usually have to pay them off. I dont know if Tigers can afford another top DOR. Murphy was already on the books so is the cheap option. He might come good in time but he was very much involved when the wheels started to come off.

They just need to play basic rugby and they can stay up. Their problem right now is they are not passing enough once they have sucked in all the defenders by boshing it up.

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: St Jerome (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 08:52

Saint Maul is mistaken. Relegation has ruined the premiership.

Relegation promotes tight squads and poor tactics. There is little chance in such a situation for promoting youth and developing coaching.

Saints have made mistakes because it is a youthful team, but this will help them to develop. Relegation is a nonsense because teams can not have their best squads and the Championship only ever has one premiership ready club in it.

Some lets chuck the development of a club overboard every year with all the harm that does to English players, because it is tight and it will go to the last kicked penalty.

By the way the six nations doesn't have relegation - doesn't harm it?

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: tedge (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 08:59

Quote:
St Jerome

Relegation promotes tight squads and poor tactics. There is little chance in such a situation for promoting youth and developing coaching.

Saints have made mistakes because it is a youthful team, but this will help them to develop. Relegation is a nonsense because teams can not have their best squads and the Championship only ever has one premiership ready club in it.

Some lets chuck the development of a club overboard every year with all the harm that does to English players, because it is tight and it will go to the last kicked penalty.

+1



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Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: lilyg (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 09:05

The six nations does need to have relegation, Italy are not good enough. How can you encourage development when you have no aspirations?

Relegation must stay, all the teams that have gone down have come back much better, much stronger and more focussed. The Premiership is a much better competition for it.

It's you St Jerome who is mistaken, but you are entitled to an opinion

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: tedge (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 09:14

Quote:
lilyg
The six nations does need to have relegation, Italy are not good enough. How can you encourage development when you have no aspirations?
Relegation must stay, all the teams that have gone down have come back much better, much stronger and more focussed. The Premiership is a much better competition for it.

It's you St Jerome who is mistaken, but you are entitled to an opinion

Nobody is "mistaken" - you just don't agree with each other's opinions (which are not statements of fact - just opinions)

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: AlexC (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 09:15

I think England can support 2 professional leagues, a slight reduced prem of 10 clubs, a champ of 10 clubs with much better funding and an expanded English cup for both leagues to spread the money around the leagues better. Limit number of foreign players etc and you have a big pool of talent. Then look more at how clubs get in and out of the champ league. Another more controversial and scandalous move would be to integrate union and league back into one :-) (fight!)

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Walks11 (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 09:19

Quote:
Duckonstilts
The problem SaintMaul with getting rid of so many DORs is you usually have to pay them off. I dont know if Tigers can afford another top DOR. Murphy was already on the books so is the cheap option. He might come good in time but he was very much involved when the wheels started to come off.
They just need to play basic rugby and they can stay up. Their problem right now is they are not passing enough once they have sucked in all the defenders by boshing it up.

If this is correct it’s poor leadership from the board which reading the Tigs site may not be too wide of the mark as there seems a general feeling that they are stuck in the dark ages prohibiting any progression.

To appoint a lesser qualified person in such a pivotal role due to monetary factors is false economy. By taking this route they are accepting mediocrity. The result is no top 4 and probably no top 4 and a real threat of relegation. The financial impacts of 1 and 2 are significant and the 3rd even more so. This far outweighs the hit on paying a top DoR and paying off the current incumbent.

Relegation would also not necessarily resolve their problem, assuming Murphy stays the bish bash rugby would be more than sufficient to coast through the championship and wouldn’t learn an awful lot.

Their late surges through the latter parts of recent seasons has papered over the cracks as they have not been a good side for a few years now. Perhaps this is the Mallinder/West eye opening moment that they need to make some radical changes throughout the club hierarchy to move forward

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 10:00

Quote:
St Jerome
Saint Maul is mistaken. Relegation has ruined the premiership.
Relegation promotes tight squads and poor tactics. There is little chance in such a situation for promoting youth and developing coaching.

Saints have made mistakes because it is a youthful team, but this will help them to develop. Relegation is a nonsense because teams can not have their best squads and the Championship only ever has one premiership ready club in it.

Some lets chuck the development of a club overboard every year with all the harm that does to English players, because it is tight and it will go to the last kicked penalty.

By the way the six nations doesn't have relegation - doesn't harm it?


Six Nations was pants this season and it’s boring watching Italy getting beaten every year.

Also, how come the bottom side Newcastle are now a form team playing top rugby?

If a team plays rubbish negative rugby whilst everyone else is playing ok-to-very good rugby, they will possibly be relegated.

Nothing new there......


Without relegation 30% of these matches would be pointless, attendances would fall, you’d have basically a bunch of exhibition matches. And don’t say Super Rugby because attendances generally and of the lower sides is pitiful.

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Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: MarchingIn (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 10:06

I don't think Tigers could attract a top DoR at the moment. If you were a DoR, would you rather go to:

A ] a club like Saints/Bristol, who have a majority of fans prepared to wait for year 3 to really judge you provided you stay above 12th and a board who will give you full control of the playing and coaching squad.

Or

B ] Tigers, where there will be calls for your head as soon as you're out of the top 6, where recruitment is done by commitee, and the board have a history of appointing their own choices to the coaching staff.

We are a proud club with a real sense of identity and a long history, but we have talked about "the Boyd way" ever since we knew he was coming, open to transformation. Most Tigers fans have never stopped talking about "the Tigers way" regardless of who temporarily runs the team. From the outside looking in, it seems to me that the board is not open to relinquishing control to a transformational DoR and being patient and neither are many fans.

Relegation might actually be the fastest route back to success for them, as it would trigger a load of release clauses on the playing squad and give somebody new the kind of fresh start Malinder had here that launched our most successful period ever 2011-2015.



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Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 10:12

Actually we can go future on this rebuttal


according to this message board we were in a relegation battle in December and January. Boyd played and kept playing our good younger players, playing expansive attaching rugby (in winter) and now our eyes are fixed up the table not down.


I think all you’re describing St Jerome is very bad management. Ex Tigers player who has no management/coaching experience turns out to be worse than the vastly experienced Solomons, Boyd, Richards, Blackadder, Young, Lam etc.... even Gustard had years coaching at the best team for the last decade and then England. Murphy has none of that.

That’s their fault, not relegation’s.

Re: Tigers are now in the relegation battle
Posted by: SaintMaul (IP Logged)
Date: 24 March, 2019 10:35

St Jerome: England Rugby's job is to look after the interests of the game as a whole. Clubs naturally come from narrow self-interest so hardly surprising they advocate protecting their investment. But the crucial question should be what is in the wider games' best interests in the long-term.

Saints have shown it's possible to play youngsters and still progress. In fact it's key to tje success of the best teams Exeter and Sarries.

As others have said it's disingenuous to propose a 3 year relegation moratorium. That's just window-dressing so the road to a long-term closed shop is more palatable.

There are swaths of England with strong rugby support who would be shut out with a closed shop. Open team access helps keep interest in the game beyond the usual suspects.

I could easily envisage Plymouth, Birmingham, Nottingham etc being champions in 20/30 years time like Exeter with promotion protected. Imagine Plymouth with a wealthy backer? One of the biggest cities in the UK in rugby mad Devon - just like Exeter.

Equally we can go down the Rugby League closed shop route and watch the game stagnate with loads of meaningless matches.

In short promotion and relegation:

- is a fairer model
- helps grow the game
- gives hope to clubs outside the Premiership
- keep teams on their toes
- ensures all games are meaningful
- make what happens in the bottom half just as exciting as the top half
- improves TV and ticket revenue
- improves media interest

IMHO

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