Rec Development


A previous plan
By CoochieCoo
May 24 2018

Some months ago we made this submission to the Club for consideration of the developers. The next meeting of the Steering Group is July when more will be revealed of the design before the planning application.

 

 

 

 

 

 

COML CONCENSUS ON STADIUM DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATIONS

Design

 

 

Environment

 

 

Transport and Access

 

 

Match Day Experience

 

 

Community

 

 

Economic Impact

 

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Rec Development
Posted by: Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 29/05/2018 08:08

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Re: Rec Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/05/2018 08:23

The recent stadium document seems to have picked most of those up.



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Date: 12/01/2018 18:21

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Awp24975 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2018 09:22

A roof for the terrace is all I want please (although last night would be deafening with a roof the amount of noise the Scarlets made!!)

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2018 15:57

Coochie

My thoughts:

1. Design –

• Modern design (not Georgian pastiche) but in keeping- using Bath stone where appropriate
• Roofing only for spectator comfort-allowing maximum daylight on playing area
• Height & profile not to obscure view of Abbey from south or Sham Castle from Abbey
• WiFi)

2. Environment –
• landscape riverside including trees & shrubs
• Ensure view over river is maintained
• Include bars & restaurants in west stand with view of river


3. Transport and Access -
• Wheelchair accessibility at all gates
• Wheelchair area on each side of pitch - in stand accessible by ramp
• Bicycle racks


4. Matchday Experience –
• All seats to be able to see all sides of pitch, plus local landmarks (i.e.
• Abbey, Sham Castle) within current views
• TV screen to be visible from all areas of ground
• Audible PA system that works regularly


5. Community,
• A music venue (summer time)
• Use (as now) for significant amateur rugby events – Combination Final etc.
Available for other sports in off season (within limits of pitch maintenance
• Education – consider educational tours to describe the architectural, structural and engineering approach & how it was achieved.
• Summer use by charities – e.g local underprivileged or handicapped children
• Available for other sports in off season (within limits of pitch maintenance)

6. Economic Impact -
• Music venue
• Conference facilities
• Gym facilities/squash courts?

PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Tall Paul (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2018 19:19

As someone that lives too far away for a day trip, I tend to come with my brother and sister in law to matches and make a weekend of it.

For me the biggest improvement would be a roof. Having got soaked through to the skin on more than one occasion, it really takes away from the enjoyment of the entire weekend. I also think it would benefit the atmosphere. Though I hate to say it, the Shed is world famous, and living in Leeds for 10 years, the South Stand at Headingley is just as infamous in RL circles. I have seen the roof credited with adding to the atmosphere of both of these stands, and it is rare that the Rec is complimented in the same way. And I don't believe for one second that it is down to us fans!

Aside from a roof, and at the risk of being controversial, I would like a plastic pitch. I know that historically we have not done so well on them, but in my opinion they encourage a more open, running style play and that is more likely to make me want to come to the city to watch. We already practice on half of one and enough other teams use them now to make them not too strange.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2018 19:20

I would love a plastic pitch, but suspect we won't have a chance.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2018 19:28

Thank you all, please keep it coming. It would be nice to know that the COML voice is loud and influential.

Hasta, I understand that all options are on the table. Plastic pitches I think are not so much a planning issue but a Trustees permission issue.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 16/01/2018 23:04

Borrowed from TG Pips’ format.

1. Design -
• TBH, I’d be happy with Georgian pastiche, but maybe a better detail than SouthGate. I’d be happy for columns all the way along the riverside frontage, even up to the slope (so long as the trees get relocated) as that would give a maximised terrace for cafes, conference, whatever.
• Roof all the way round, with light fittings attached so no poles up high and getting in the way of the view. No need for a steep rake to keep sight lines/height to a minimum. Maybe glass at the rear for some connectivity to the green hilled views.
• Happy to play up to the Roman theme if it gives a sense of identity. Agree not to everyone’s taste, but I worry today’s modern is tomorrow’s Sports Centre.
• If possible, incorporate the Sports Centre under the stands and build the conferencing/hotel facilities where the spots centre is (bar the pool). I know it’d be a shame to waste the recent investment, but it’s a good opportunity to replace the central eyesore into something more sympathetic.
• East Stand should split in two and rotate outfield by pivoting at the north east and south east corners opening up a huge seating area onto the majority of the Rec, possibly enabling cricket to be played on there. The stand to be named after me, with my current mood projected as a giant avatar at the back of the stand showing my elation (thumbs up or barely persceptible nod) or displeasure (Brexiteer on question time shades of purple) depending upon how the team are playing. My booming voice over the PA exhorting more grunt punching and/or punch grunting whether a game is being played or not. If this is too much of an engineering feat, then I want the Rec completely flat with a buried stadium that Thunderbirds 200m up into the air, hovering on jets or up to 12 tethered drones from Argos. I’m pretty sure I saw this in a Mario game on the Wii, so it can clearly be done.

2. Environment –
• Landscape riverside including trees & shrubs where possible, and enhance the entrances. Living roof?
• Hybrid pitch to improve resilience. I think a plastic pitch may not be ideal for such a culturally sensitive area, though would benefit the community and usage much more. The latest organic infill ones may prove the best of the lot though.
• Non-game rooftop tours for a great view and revenue.


3. Transport and Access -
• Set down and pick up shuttle buses from the P&Rs, maybe for those of limited mobility from the train station. Using injured players as drivers should mean we are able to put on 20+ coaches each game.
• Better security, bollard protection, etc. for what will be a big crowd in a small area.
• Sensible gate entry. Friends 4 rows from me have to use the Sports Centre Gate, me the William Street. A bit of flexilibility (middle third of seats in a stand can use either entrance) or the ability to nominate a second entrance would make life easier for quite a few supporters I reckon.


4. Matchday Experience –
• Seat spacing suitable for adult use. I know I’ve put on weight over Christmas, but there’s still only one of me in that seat.
• TV screen to be visible from all areas of ground.
• Audible PA system that works regularly.
• Enhanced bladder capacity for those who sit on my row.
• Enough facilities or swifter pay/delivery mechanisms so we can do a minimum of two out of loo, bar or food instead of picking our most favourite/desperate.
• Better beer. I like a decent pint of Bath Ales. What is served is not a decent pint. I know it’s keg, but coupling it with a plastic cup makes it taste far away from what it should be. I know there are logistics involved with serving a decent ale, but it makes me not want to drink at the Rec. Maybe consider getting some local craft beer in which is far better matched to keg. Bath Ales’ own Beerd have an ok range, better still get Electric Bear or Kettlesmith in. There are plenty of phenomenal breweries in Bristol too. Indie Spirit should have a stand in there. Also consider serving it in those cans where the whole of the top can be ring pulled off. No pour time, much less of a projectile. Can provide an example if you need.

5. Community -
• What Tetley said.
• Consider Bath City playing there for their big games. Ken Loach’s ticket to mysteriously disintegrate into dust when presented at the gate.
• Incorporate a multi function clubhouse that meets the aspirations of All Sports For All.

6. Economic Impact -
• Music venue - either as a building or enable open air in the stadium (I still want Metallica opening the place as a nice hello to all three of the antis).
• Hotel. Not sure on this one, if its even a consideration. If there’s too much commercial stuff, and IF Bath Rugby Stadiums Offshore Limited are paying a smaller rent than we’d have got from a private landlord, then the development wouldn’t sit right with me. Perhaps the trust could be gifted ownership of any hotel and manage the revenues to maintain funding. Perhaps too much commercial risk though. I just don’t want us to be getting away with exploiting prime land for Primark prices or all our campaigning about community has been for nought.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 08:21

Very good. On the pastiche point, part of me wants to see it. The other part feels that getting it right would be very hard, and even then still not make everyone happy, so feels that a good contemporary design might be preferable.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 09:27

Let’s face it, there is no one design that won’t split opinion, so I guess it needs to best meet UNESCO’s requirements above all.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 09:40

Yes and UNESCO have allowed the shambles on the Rec as well as the Bus station in granting and renewing WH status. It wouldn't take much to better what we have at the moment.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 10:49

How big is the Bath panel of UNESCO representatives? I’m assuming they will continue to have a massive say at all stages in development. Whilst anything is an improvement over the scaffold and barn we currently have, it’s still a revolutionary change and an opportunity for a significant improvement so we can’t assume their endorsement based on what’s currently there.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 12:10

This is the salient comment in respect of the approach to the development and UNESCO

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In respect of contemporary development and contemporary architecture, the Management Plan (B&NES) notes at paragraph 5.2.32 that ‘there are now some notable examples of contemporary architecture within the site, including the Thermae Bath Spa, the Bus Station, Milsom Place and the Holburne Museum. Previous references in this Plan and the UNESCO Mission report have indicated that high quality contemporary architecture is a desirable method of design for new buildings.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 12:39

OK, that says a lot right there then. Unlikely to be pastiche I guess.

Has anyone considered an additional pedestrian bridge connecting to Parade Gardens? Could also help with footfall on match days.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 13:23

Quote:
hasta
I would love a plastic pitch, but suspect we won't have a chance.
plastic reinforcement for me, but certainly not a plastic pitch.
Desso hybrid is comfortably the best option on the market at the moment IMO.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Tall Paul (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2018 21:23

Given that they are also doing Wimbledon, how about a retractable roof? Would make our Welsh contingent feel more at home, too!

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Pie-Half (IP Logged)
Date: 18/01/2018 19:10

Quote:
Which Tyler
Quote:
hasta
I would love a plastic pitch, but suspect we won't have a chance.
plastic reinforcement for me, but certainly not a plastic pitch.
Desso hybrid is comfortably the best option on the market at the moment IMO.

I am also agreed on the hybrid pitch.

I am fairly sure that whilst light is a major factor in the grass life, one other big factor is actually air flow. When the grass in the old arena stadium were first built e.g. Amsterdam arena and Cardiff, they believed that the lack of light was stopping the grass and invested in hugely expensive light rigs, but the grass needs the air flow too to bring fresh air for their growth as well. As long as there are enough gaps and low points for air flow over the pitch then crack on

Andy Goode's body double.

Bring back rucking and speed up the game. Simple, for rucks sake.

A.B.L.

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Tom Homer - Adopted player 2016/17

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: rainbow (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 09:23

I and many other old timers have been patiently awaiting "development" of a new stadium at the Rec' for about 20 years give or take 15 minutes or so and despite the latest exciting "developments" is it really any closer. Has permission been granted to build, a small point, i don't want to pour cold water on things but dream on. But what's wrong with having dreams?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 10:35

I believe that planning permission hasn't yet been considered. But we are definitely a few steps forward from where we were a couple of years back. There were some real blocks due to the nature of the land that have been slowly unpicked.

Even in the shortest case, this is going to take some time and to get it right longer still. In that sense, you're right to check your excitement.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 11:00

The blocks for the development in the past were mainly due to charitable law. The Court of Appeal judgement has changed the game considerably, e.g. The Charitable Trust have complete power to dispose of land as long as it is in the charity's interest. Dispose means leasing out land or selling it.

Planning permission is a different ball game and is up to the planning authorities. The prospect of development at the Rec has been recognised by the Council and UNESCO as follows:

Quote:
The World Heritage Site Management Plans 2010-2022 notes the prospect of development coming forward at the Rec, stating at paragraph 5.2.31 that ‘Bath Rugby Club play at the Recreation Ground in the heart of the city and their presence provides civic pride and identity, plus a boost to the economy (especially in winter months when tourist numbers are low). The rugby club are looking to increase their capacity to accommodate spectators, and provide a new stadium on their current site within the city.’

Yes there will be further hurdles and the fiends will cry foul. However, some imaginative thinking will be used and I understand that planning permission will be sought later this year.

Please keep your suggestions coming either on this thread or PM me. We are one of the platforms the Club needs to get the message across along with our colleagues on FB and the Supporters Club.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 11:35

Don't you need a plan before planning permission can be sought?
Isn't the whole point of this thread that the club are putting together a plan, alongside a world-renowned architect having finally being given permission to apply for planning permission as of last year.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 11:52

Never known a planning committee pass a project without a plan! That is why we need to feed ideas to the Architect!

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 12:10

Can't we just refer them to this thread, personally I think they should go with PG's ideas.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 12:23

PGs ideas have been duly noted as those of others. Remember in the past the Club were restricted because of ChC, they have a blank piece of paper now! What about turning the pitch to go East West?

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 13:06

1. Roof over the spectators please
2. Sight lines to see the entire pitch, including the important bit where the tries are scored
3. Enough catering facilities for the capacity to get a pie and a pint in a half time break
4. Enough toilet facilities for all, that means the ladies too
5. If we're to have a big screen all paying customers to be able to see it
6. Working PA system with controllable volume
7. Design in keeping with Bath's world heritage status. Doesn't mean it has to be a Disney style Roman coliseum though.
8. Retain the Bath 'recreation ground' city centre location
9. Floodlighting that's bright enough for Prem Rugby
10. Maintain some terraced standing
11. Open up the waterfront and form a link between the new stadium and the rest of the city (instead of being behind a breeze block wall)

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 13:17

What would the benefit of that be CC? I'm not against it, but purely from my own comfort point of view I'm pretty agnostic.

I think access to the west stand might be key, a possibly a good reason to re-orientate (may the capacity compressed by the river smaller and open up the two sides).

I'd like to see the riverside well used on non-match days. I'm sure you can make that into a real feature that benefits Bath. I'm thinking a riverside "square" with facilities: restaurants, cafes, bars, entertainment that could potentially be covered from the stand behind. Probably needs more space than we've previously ever considered.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 13:19

"Maintain some terraced standing"

I'd support that.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 13:32

Also, have future capacity increase allowances somehow within the design? I'd hate for us to rapidly fill 18k only to have the same discussions in 5 years and start tearing new stands down. I'm not saying a sudden jump to 18k would happen (I think for big games it could), but lets not hamper ourselves early on.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: rainbow (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 13:39

Beergoggles Point 2 able to see the complete pitch even to the extent of seeing tries scored in the corner, i sit on the openside midway between the half-way line and the 22 and have to rely on the screen to my right to see what's gone on at the bottom left. I'm fairly sure that during the mid season promises were made and work carried out to ensure a better "match day experience" ie actually seeing what was going on i think TM was involved in that exercise. I'll have a bet i've just turned 70 i think i'll get a free TV licence when i'm 80 so which will come first the licence or a new stadium.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 14:24

Quote:
DanWiley
What would the benefit of that be CC? I'm not against it, but purely from my own comfort point of view I'm pretty agnostic.

Height will be the big issue, so to get 18k there will be a challenge especially with the East stand because of views from the Grand Parade. The further into the Rec the East stand is will help that situation. I was never good at Physics but I guess the angle will not be so acute!

Turning the pitch round also means the South Stand can be longer and height is not an issue there because we have precedence with the Sports centre and the new student castle!

West stand will have to come in to the Rec to allow for riverside cafes etc and height will be determined by the current trees and Sports centre, I think.

Club House or the new North stand height will be determined by the current height but will have to dip at Johnstone Street rising again beyond the lower windows of Johnstone street until it meets the East stand.

Needs to be worked out on paper and it will depend on how much of the east of the rec the Charity Trust will grant to the club.

The con of turning the pitch round is sun and the prevailing wind from the south west.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 19/01/2018 16:04

I can't see (excuse pun) the pitch ever moving around due to the sun glare for West facing players as you say.

Do we know how far East we can go? For example, if significant development took place along the river for leisure purposes and that forced the pitch East, would that be a problem if the leisure part was not considered as part of the rugby area? Or is there a hard stop for any development going past the East end of the South stand?

If there are height limits then this becomes a 3D modelling puzzle with a framework which any ground needs to fit inside.

For me I am sure we can design a suitable ground on 3 sides, the clever bit will be having an East stand which can be removed, rotated or opened up for the summer. Making a good job of that will go a long way to getting the plans well received in the non rugby community.

Something clever would come at great cost though and probably take away budget better served on the other 3 sides and getting a good looking arena viewed from alongside Pulteney.

One request I would have, one I have not seen mentioned, is to give those seated decent legroom and width even with the capacity reduction that would cost. I don't like having my knees crushed into the seat in front and a lot of ex players are on the large size. Once had a season ticket seat next to a retired front row, we all ended up pushed sideways!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 20/01/2018 12:53

With waterproof concrete, and the ability to build a fully enclosed stadium... Does the option of lowering the pitch become viable?
Which allows for lower heights for the stands with slopes allowing for proper viewing angles etc.

Of course, it would need to be fully enclosed to a bit above highest recorded flood level, to avoid becoming a swimming pool whenever it rains upstream, and would presumably be pricey for excavation, but may be a good solution for some of the compromises necessary for planning.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: bathboyinmidlands (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 08:39

I would pretty much concur with PG Tips views and also DanWiley makes a really good point about using this as an opportunity to make far more use of the riverside as it is currently wasted and would greatly benefit the city as a whole. Perhaps with a new footbridge across the river connecting riverside/west stand with the city (think that has already been mentioned in one of the comments).

For me roofing over all stands is a must for comfort and atmosphere.

My main concern is it not becoming another soulless concrete bowl like most modern stadiums. The Rec is unique and needs to retain that character with views of the Abbey maintained and also on the east side. I know the height has to come from somewhere to create the capacity needed so this is tricky but I would have thought we could gain the height needed at north and south ends as not blocking views especially sports centre end.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a plastic pitch as at least that might force us to adopt a defined playing style and consistent game plan and identity which we sadly lack at present.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 18:53

I would like a stadium that will look fantastic in 50 years time, and therefore this probably precludes a short term fashionable use of glass and metal as per the Cabot Centre.

It has to be remembered this is going to be a stadium from which, in the main rugby matches are watched from and so sightlines, lighting, pitch etc should be dictated by what is considered best in the world today and in 10 years.

The view from the Town should be enhanced, not difficult with what is there today.

Screens, loudspeakers etc should excellent for rugby and other events.

Food outlets should concentrate on healthy, alternative foods and also cover a range of budgets.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 21:03

"I would like a stadium that will look fantastic in 50 years time"

I'm sure it will when it's as new as that.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 21/01/2018 22:29

Sorry Dan but I don't understand what you mean???

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2018 08:02

I was being a little cynical about the date we might actually have a finished stadium. Sorry, it my have needed a ;-)

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 12:41

For what it's worth....

1. Design

- In keeping with the surroundings, using Bath stone ideally
- Not too much glass & metal - I personally find modern buildings date quickly
- Floodlights to comedown on non-match days, or ideally be incorporated into the roofing solution
- Externally it would be nice to have a wall or similar to celebrate past players or internationals, something for fans to go and visit.
- No TV's in the bar or breakout areas, to encourage fans to stay in their seats and contribute to the atmosphere.
- Any Wifi improvements are to be celebrated!
- Maybe provide the match-stats on the big screen at half-time, to help bring some of that TV experience to live viewing.
- Keep the front row close to the pitch, I've always felt this is one of the Rec's best features.
- That said, the in-goal area's could do with being increased.
- I like to idea to potentially sink the stadium down to reduce external sightlines / height restriction. I wouldn't though want the stands to become steeper as a result though, only because I imagine that would impact on the sightlines from inside the stadium to the Abbey and other point's of interest outside.
- Probably not practical, but perhaps explore the possibility of having the stadium profile undulating, so the stands are less high at the areas where we want to still be able to see the Abbey from within the stadium and other views outside.
- All seats should have an unrestricted view of the pitch and ideally the match clock and TV.
- All seats to be covered
- Keep terracing in part of the stadium
- Any roof design needs access to be cleaned - particularly if glass / Perspex!
- If we tap into our Roman heritage, maybe we could bring colour to the stadium by featuring flags around the roof, medieval(i.e. Roman) style drapes on the outside of the stadium etc.
- I would like the club to seriously look at a hybrid pitch, purely because it feels like we are disadvantaged when travelling to the likes of Sarries and Falcons.
- Player access to the pitch should be situated to the middle of a stand (tunnel), this always seems better than them coming from a corner of the stadium.
- Player access I think also should be kept coming from the terrace area. This would keep that connection between the fans and players which I feel we have.
- Avoid making the players come onto the pitch using steps. This always makes players tiptoe their way on, instead of run full-pelt on which always seems better.
- Obviously increase the size of the dressing rooms! They are laughably small.

2. Environment

- 100% agree with all talk of re-developing the Riverside.
- Ideally move the stadium further into the rec to create a larger Riverside area than is currently there.
- I'm torn to say put a bar on the Riverside, only because we want keep the Riverside access for all and I feel having a bar on that side would see supporters milling around outside potentially putting the general public off from visiting. Maybe put the Swift Half as a permanent feature on the other side of the stadium and not as a temporary tent set up, so we can all still enjoy sitting out on the Rec on the sunny summer days with a pint. This would also reduce any potential for empties to find their way into the river!
- The Riverside area should be kept as a retail and restaurant opportunity to attract commuters to the area.
- Keep the existing trees, but I don't see the need to plant more to hide the new stadium. Be proud of what we build and celebrate it, don't try to hide it.

Transport & Access

- I can't see a lot of room to improve what we already have got.
- Access to the stadium is restricted by the location, although I like the idea to potentially add another bridge across the river (no idea how viable it is though).

Matchday Experience

- A lot has been covered above.
- Anything that can be done to reduce queuing times at half time (toilets and bars) should be encouraged.
- Probably not the space for this, but if the space between seat rows could be increased to stop having to stand up and down to let people in and out of their seats as much would be nice!
- Allow people with tickets to come in through any entrance would be nice! I've known people to be turned away and told to walk round the other side!
- Ref link? Do we do that? If not, can we?

Community

- It is clear from the brief this stadium needs to be more than just a Rugby stadium and I support that view.
- Sell stadium tours, like they do in football, maybe include a 'meet the player' as well.
- Keep doing the family days on the Rec and the watch the 1st team train. These are all fantastic for the supporters and especially good for the kids to connect with the club.


Economic Impact

- Open the stadium up to music / concerts
- Open air theatre?

Accessibility

- Bars kept to within the Stadium and the playing field side
- Restaurants on the Riverside
- Accessibility is limited to the stadium, but there are no excuses to not ensure access within is suitable for all. They have a blank canvass and so I can't see why they couldn't cater for everyone.
- Maybe provide Ref Link for free to partially sighted supporters?
- Wheelchair supporters shouldn't be confined to the bottom row. Why not give them access to say 8-10 rows up?

I think I'll stop there!

Salmon

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Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 12:59

"- Not too much glass & metal - I personally find modern buildings date quickly "

I agree with this.

I would guess sinking the pitch would cause water level issues? Though it seems like a good idea if that can be countered.

The thing about the advantage of the plastic pitch is surely it reverses at the point most people don't have a real pitch? As we have the plastic pitch to train on, maybe a real pitch would be the best of both worlds?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 13:10

It's a difficult one because a plastic / hybrid pitch would open the Rec up to more use during the year, due to greater durability.

Also what happens to the groundsmen if we get rid of grass?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 14:57

Quote:
DanWiley
I would guess sinking the pitch would cause water level issues? Though it seems like a good idea if that can be countered.
we have the ability to keep the water out, we are perfectly capable of building cellars and underground car parks on food plains.
There would be an issue in terms of where that water goes, as flood plains have a job to do. I'm sure it's sortable, but may need some inventive thinking dig a hole somewhere else on the flood plain. Or it might be a non-issue, depending on how the land is classified.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 15:23

I'm not an expert, but I think going below the river line would cause issues. If you have a cellar, below the watercourse and don't keep water (rain) out then I can't see how you can stop it flooding (without pumps etc). Mot cellars and underground carparks have roofs.

I can't see an indoor arena happening, even if we wanted one.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 16:04


Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 18:03

So have I missed something in previous documents in that we are allowed to close off the rugby pitch with a permanent East stand? If we must keep it opened out in the summer then a sunken pitch could be a bit tricky if any cricket was planned though watching a fielders pursuit of the ball to include a descent down a ladder would be funny.

Excuse my facetious comment, just wondering about the East stand being permanent. Most big stadia have dropped pitches though the grass growth is still affected by high stands.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 18:31

Quote:
B4thB4ck
So have I missed something in previous documents in that we are allowed to close off the rugby pitch with a permanent East stand? If we must keep it opened out in the summer then a sunken pitch could be a bit tricky if any cricket was planned though watching a fielders pursuit of the ball to include a descent down a ladder would be funny.
Excuse my facetious comment, just wondering about the East stand being permanent. Most big stadia have dropped pitches though the grass growth is still affected by high stands.

Article in the Chron when the Stadium project was announced in November last year

Quote:
Now the club are starting with a blank canvas and, whether it is made up of one building or several buildings in an overall composition, it would be a permanent stadium for the first time, rather than one with stands which have to be dismantled every summer due to the current

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 24/01/2018 23:44

Having read Mr CC's summary I was reminded of what I saw in Toulon which I liked which was small engraved tiles set in the walk way around the stadium each one with the name of a player and then every several small ones would be followed by a large engraved slab with the name of say Jonny Wilkinson or player of similar stature.

Also the season ticket holder had their name on each seat.........which I thought was a nice touch.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 06:49

Wonder how much of the new capacity will be released as season tickets? There is certainly the demand for them!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 09:31

WT in addition to the problems of water ingress related to a sunken stadium I think there would other issues.

Temperature: A sunken stadium would be a sink for cold air. Being adjacent to the river that would include cold damp air and bring with it condensation issues. this could make the playing surface very slippy, like dew on the early morning grass.

Light: The Principality stadium had big issues in the early days due to the shape of the stadium. This meant natural grass had insufficient light resulting in poor quality and recovery. By sinking the playing surface I suspect you are replicating that problem.

This would mean that a plastic/hybrid pitch would be inevitable.

Environment: The cold sink would mean that winter evening games would mean spectators at pitch level would possibly be watching in the cold and damp. Furthermore the mist seen on the river might extend to the pitch causing visibility issues.

There may well be solutions to this however, but is it worth it?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 11:00

I believe many hybrid pitches are successfully maintained to perfection by using the artificial sun lamps to keep the grass growing in the winter. This would add an annual operating cost after the initial capital investment.

Thanks for the note on the East stand CC, that possibility makes it even more exciting for the architects.

Not sure sinking the pitch a few metres would make it that much colder and certainly it could make disabled access and viewing height much better, as at Cardiff.

Of course, you need to be careful digging too deep in Bath, never know where you will end up :-)

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 12:25

@Shipwrecked - the cold sink is a decent point, though I'm not sure how much 1-2m would make (given that it would be open to the elements, as opposed to a cave). I just don't know on that.

As for the health of the grass and the MillStad - that's more to do with having a roof and being 100% enclosed, meaning that not enough light reached the pitch to keep the grass healthy (there are ways around this, like using a clear roof); and that the grass was stored of-site and brought in on pallets; so the grass was unconnected chunks of 10 sq ft sitting on a foundation of 3" of soil; instead of a coherent mass of 12000 sq ft sitting on a foundation of 12" of soil (then sand, then gravel for drainage).

Whether it's worth it or not, I couldn't possibly comment - it would depnd on the cost, how deep they wanted to go, how big the problems actually are, the viability of the solutions, and how beneficial the sinking of the pitch ends up. For now, I just think it's an idea worth considering.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 12:54

I actually though that you meant lowering the pitch more than 1-2m since I thought the idea was to lower the stand height. I sort of imagined an amphitheatre but perhaps I got carried away with the Bath Roman thing. If it were marginal the light issue is probably negligible.

Of course we could always counteract the cold sink with a hypocaust system!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 13:46

It's just a thought about a way to reduce the ultimate height of the stands without compromise their rake and viewing angles etc; so if planning limits the Riverside elevation to say 4m height, buying an extra 2 by sinking the pitch would make a big difference to the practicalities of that stand. It would also give us more room to play with elsewhere, which could only be a good thing.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 14:26

All good points which I will submit to the Stadium Group as part of the COML input.

Any more ideas gratefully accepted.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 18:24

I have always been very keen on the sinking the ground notion.

As a sort of example at our office in Laura Place you come in the front door at Ground level go down a flight of stairs to the "basement" and then enter our offices and at the back the windows are on the first floor looking down on to some gardens.

This of course would be the inverse of that but I am with Which T as the extra say 2 metres would/could make all of the difference.

The stadium would not be overpowering from Jubilee Gardens and would in time, inevitably be nicknamed the Tardis as it would be much bigger on the inside than seems apparent from the outside..........if you know what I mean!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 25/01/2018 21:42

When you say ground level, do you mean Street level? Which often in bath is built up a level above the ground.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: WestonDave (IP Logged)
Date: 26/01/2018 16:46

Can I add one more request - this may now be a requirement in building standards for a venue of this size but just in case its not...

Would be great for inclusivity if we could incorporate a "Changing Places" toilet. For those not familiar with this concept its like a disabled toilet on steroids so it has all the hoists and adult capacity changing facilities to enable adults who need that sort of care to receive it without having to lie on a urine soaked floor. They are gradually becoming more common (there is one by the railway station in Bath I believe) but there is growing pressure on sports venues to provide these so its probably easier to put it in now as part of the design process.

Changing Places campaign

Appreciate its a bit niche and not something I personally know anyone that needs but rugby should be open to all.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2018 15:42

Shelves in the loos! How did I forget this?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2018 16:03

Quote:
Rawce
Shelves in the loos! How did I forget this?

For your pint glass?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2018 18:00

Quote:
BathSalmon
Quote:
Rawce
Shelves in the loos! How did I forget this?

For your pint glass?
mirror and lipstick
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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2018 19:39

All of the above.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2018 13:33

[www.bathchronicle.co.uk] Letter from Barry Pollen

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Which Tyler (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2018 13:57

Quote:
Mike the Taxi
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/news/letter-rec-architects-need-right-1129375 Letter from Barry Pollen
Has he got a bee in his bonnet?
More to the point, he questions Grimshaw's experience with sports stadiums... Like Wimbledon, or that Irish race track...

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2018 17:31

BUT we are not building a typical stadium! So I would argue that an architect who is not a stadium expert is more likely to design something that has the wow factor required in the centre of Bath along with the sporting needs of the club and sympathetic to the area.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2018 17:45

I'm still worried about the gender neutral toilets.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2018 17:51

Quote:
Boldangrey
I'm still worried about the gender neutral toilets.

Doesn't Weston Dave's Changing Places cover that.....! winking smiley

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2018 17:53

Depends on the meaning of 'changing places'!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Eastbath (IP Logged)
Date: 30/01/2018 10:32

It sounds obvious but can we make sure that there is much improved access to and from the seating areas.
One reason folk leave the East stand early is if you are anywhere near the back that it takes 15mins to get out once the whistle has been blown.
I assume its passed all elf n safety checks/fire regs but those in the the top rows often wonder what would happen if we needed to get out in an emergency. It would take some time.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 30/01/2018 12:05

They'd open up on to the pitch I assume.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/01/2018 14:00

I think it might be quite a bit more than £40-50 million. 70 or more, if we are planning something special.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathPatriot (IP Logged)
Date: 31/01/2018 19:58

I was talking to someone who lives near the Rec recently and she was truly horrified at the prospect of Bath Rugby building a stadium. I tried to calm her nerves by telling her that the building would be a beautiful structure and a real improvement of what is there at the moment. She was of the view that Mr Gilson and his minions would never let this happen, or at least this is what she has been told . Sad.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 19/02/2018 15:27

How about this for an idea? The landing area for the Winter Olympics ski jumping doubles as a football stadium in the winter:-

[www.google.co.uk]

I am sure we could get it past the planners and locals, a dry ski slope at one end would be just the job. On match days you could literally roll out of the pub, down the slope to your seat.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 19/02/2018 20:37

The Holmenkollen ski jump in Oslo has a large pleasure lake in the landing zone in the summer.
When we did the tourist summer trip to the top I had the greatest difficulty explaining to my sons that the jumpers wouldn’t go through the ice!

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2018 12:03

I attended a Steering Group Meeting (deposing for Darius, who is away) on Saturday before the Sale match.

The meeting focus was on technology and how it might be used to enhance the match day experience and address problems with that experience.

It was an extremely busy hour and I did not have time to take notes as all attendees were fully occupied with brainstorming the 4 questions we were asked to comment on.

The notes of the brainstorm are being written up by the facilitators and I will post them on here when I have them.

Meanwhile, the four topics were:


*. Pre match, at home / work – i.e. prior to departure for the match
* Pre match, the journey through to kick off
*. In game, kick off to full time
* Post match, the journey back

If anybody has strong views on these areas of match day experience, please post them on here, they will be used as input for future meetings.

As the Stadium Development prpgresses, there are likely to be topics which will generate polls to get a feeling for supporters' preferences.

PG

P G Tips



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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2018 13:16

I am sure regular attendees will have already mentioned this but wouldn't the acoustics of the announcements and the ability to hear what is said together with "appropriate" support from the man behind the microphone be a topic.

I'd hate our brand new stadium with excellent visibility, seamless wifi and stunning construction and architecture to be spolied by an indecipherable cacophony of harsh and rasping sound!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 27/02/2018 14:38

It was high on the list Shipwrecked!

PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: sid the seagull (IP Logged)
Date: 01/03/2018 19:43

All irrelevant unless finding a solution that addresses all the World Heritage setting issues is convincingly achieved. Otherwise forget EVERYTHING else such as pre-match/match day twoddle.

FLAP

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: trikidiki (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2018 19:02

Quote:
Eastbath
It sounds obvious but can we make sure that there is much improved access to and from the seating areas.
One reason folk leave the East stand early is if you are anywhere near the back that it takes 15mins to get out once the whistle has been blown.
I assume its passed all elf n safety checks/fire regs but those in the the top rows often wonder what would happen if we needed to get out in an emergency. It would take some time.

The bottleneck is the 180 turn on the stairs then emptying into the bar/toilet area where people loiter. In an emergency the exit is straight down the steps and through gates onto the pitch. It's sad that people never look to see where their emergency exit route is until they need it. I was taught to identify your exit whenever you go somewhere new.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 02/03/2018 23:46

Can't we have the existing stairs in the East stand but also have stairs on the outside so that people half way up the stand either go up or down

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2018 02:29

Remember we have a blank sheet of paper. The East stand need not be temporary and a permanent structure can be built anywhere on the Rec. My view is to move it eastwards leaving the western space open to the riverside.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2018 08:23

Exit time is an important fire safety feature in stadium design. Think about Twickenham, the stands are empty in just a few minute because stairs and gangways are wide and lead to open spaces.

I am claustrophobic and left the E stand after the last expansion because of the time taken to leave it.

I moved to the W stand which, after the latest changes, is not quite as bad.

As Triki says, the problem is those crossing at the foot of the stairs. I am surprised both stands pass fire safety regs.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2018 09:30

Agree to moving the ground East, so many advantages. Just from an external view I don't want the back of the West stand imposing itself over the river and it would be hard to make it look great from the tourists view adjacent to Pulteney Bridge if it was furthest West.

As regards inside the ground, I agree also with BNG. Although it would compromise crowd capacity, I would love to see comfortable seating, leg room and easy access. I see the Toulon stadium with its quirky seat block arrangements and do like that. You can sit in a big crowd yet feel as though you are in a theatre box rather than an immense, soulless stand of thousands crammed into narrow rows and columns.

Let's make this a fantastic stadium for 16 or 17,000 rather than a modern sardine tin for 18,000.

Oh, and don't forget the pre match spa and sauna!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Widcombe Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 03/03/2018 10:58

Quote:
P G Tips
I attended a Steering Group Meeting (deposing for Darius, who is away) on Saturday before the Sale match.
The meeting focus was on technology and how it might be used to enhance the match day experience and address problems with that experience.

It was an extremely busy hour and I did not have time to take notes as all attendees were fully occupied with brainstorming the 4 questions we were asked to comment on.

The notes of the brainstorm are being written up by the facilitators and I will post them on here when I have them.

Meanwhile, the four topics were:


*. Pre match, at home / work – i.e. prior to departure for the match
* Pre match, the journey through to kick off
*. In game, kick off to full time
* Post match, the journey back

If anybody has strong views on these areas of match day experience, please post them on here, they will be used as input for future meetings.

As the Stadium Development prpgresses, there are likely to be topics which will generate polls to get a feeling for supporters' preferences.

PG

PG Tips
On the Travel side of things

I now live in Devizes so no longer get the train from Swindon. For most games I catch the Centurian coach, from Devizes, which is discounted for STH, which drops off close to the ground about an 1 1/2 hrs before the game and picks up 20 minutes after the game. A great service and my only request would be on Saturday Sundays could the the coach get into Bath earlier to allow more time to meet up with freinds?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2018 12:07

Picking up on a point on another sticky about TV dominating revenue and ST holders maybe feeling a bit disgruntled, how about the new stadium includes some luxury seating reserved for a small number of ST holders, names to be drawn out of a hat pre-match?
The seats should be on half way, near the front, the seating equivalent of first class plane tickets, maybe with some form of VIP access to the players after the match.
It wouldn't cost much to the club and would be the sort of gesture that would make ST supporters feel valued. I don't have a ST anymore but would think this might appeal?
I see in Aussie cricket they have a swimming pool on the boundary to watch from. Might be a bit chilly for that in rugby :-) but the principle would be good.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2018 18:06

Given the reactions to recent results, might it be an idea to have a 'Gallows/gibbet corner' so that those most aggrieved by Bath performances can publicly display their disenchantment ?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Boldangrey (IP Logged)
Date: 05/03/2018 21:26

Mike

I understand next years season ticket will also have the Samaritan's contact number.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: callmeMrTibbs (IP Logged)
Date: 08/03/2018 13:04

[www.bathchronicle.co.uk]

Latest consultation about to get underway. As someone who uses that stretch of riverside daily I'd love to see it properly used.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2018 10:48

The notes of the 24 Feb meeting have now been made available. They are comprehensive, so I shall post in 2 parts for ease of reading:

1. Topics covered
2. Topics with summary of feedback from the attendees.

This meeting was about the match day experience and how it could be enhanced. Technology could be one (but not the only) way of introducing enhancements.

Topics covered were:

Pre-match, at home / work – i.e. prior to departure for the match

Afternoon Kick Off

• What is your current match day routine – is it set, does it fluctuate, what overlay do you have with Bath Rugby before leaving for the match?

• How could Bath Rugby assist you in preparing for the match day?

• What information would you want to have available from Bath Rugby, and how would this be received?

• On a continuum between operational and experiential – what percentage should each take up in match day communications?

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward except for the routine question. With the remaining questions the additional comments relevant to evenings specifically

• What is your current match day routine – is it set, does it fluctuate, what overlay do you have with Bath Rugby before leaving for the match?
• How could Bath Rugby assist you in preparing for the match day?

• What information would you want to have available from Bath Rugby, and how would this be received?

Pre match, the journey through to kick off

Afternoon Kick Off

• What are your current travel pain points in coming to The Rec and how could Bath Rugby assist with your journey to the match?
• What would you like to see in the ground pre match and how might this be delivered?
• How would you rate the food and beverage concessions at present, and what could be done to improve them?

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward for evening games.

In game, kick off to full time

Afternoon Kick Off

• Thinking as you sit in your seat, what would you like to see to improve the atmosphere and / or your personal experience?

• How would you rate the food and beverage concessions at present, and what could be done to improve them?

• What is your current half time routine, and how could we improve upon your activity experience?

• At the end of the game, would you like to see anything specific happen be that on pitch, in the stands, or anything else?
o Leaving – should be fast and uninterrupted. It shouldn’t take 15 minutes to leave the
Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward for evening games, with the additional comments relevant to evenings specifically

• Thinking as you sit in your seat, what would you like to see to improve the atmosphere and / or your personal experience?


• How would you rate the food and beverage concessions at present, and what could be done to improve them?

• What is your current half time routine, and how could we improve upon your activity experience?

• At the end of the game, would you like to see anything specific happen be that on pitch, in the stands, or anything else?

Post-match, the journey back

Afternoon Kick Off

• Once you’ve left the stands, what is your typical routine? Stay in ground or leave? What would you like to see in this time slot – be that operational (quicker exit) or a reason to stay?

• What are your current travel pain points in leaving The Rec and how could Bath Rugby assist with your journey to the match?

• Thinking about exiting the stadium, what are your current pain points and how would these be improved upon?

• Upon your arrival at home, what would you like to know, see, hear from Bath Rugby?

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward for evening games, with the additional note that the exit transport issues are far worse

Wrapping Up:

Mike thanked the supporters for their open and honest feedback and finished by stating that WiFi provision at the ground was acknowledged as an issue and that, whilst details were as of yet unconfirmed, wheels are in motion to implement improvements for the start of the 2018 / 2019 season.

A thorough examination of the experience, with a view to using technology to improve it.

Full notes to follow.

PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2018 10:51

Now the full notes.

Stadium for Bath Supporters Steering Group
Date: 24th February 2018
Time: 12:30pm – 1:30pm
Location: Bath Rugby Foundation

Attendees:

Stadium for Bath:

Tarquin McDonald (Chief Executive Officer)
Mike Bohndiek (Chief Technology Officer)
Shula Smith (Head of Communications)
Vicki Smith (Marketing Director)
Lynne Fernquest (Chief Executive Officer – Bath Rugby Foundation)

Supporters:

Shula to add

Introduction:

Mike Bohndiek lead the session and started by introducing himself and the role of technology in the Stadium for Bath delivery.

The latter was explained in the context of the smart meter energy roll out nationwide. The technology can improve your experience if you want it to – but the message is that whilst technology will play a key part in the Stadium for Bath strategy, it will be on an opt-in, opt-out basis. A full immersive experience will on offer – yet a match day could also feature no more technology than current for those who wish to continue with their current experience.

Match Day – Your Experience Enhanced Activity:

Mike then introduced the main focus for the session which was based around how the match day experience could be enhanced. There wasn’t a technology focus for this – instead providing an opportunity to think about all improvements that could be made. Mike explained that in doing so not only do Stadium for Bath gain feedback across all areas, he would also be able to look at how technology could address the issues where applicable.

Framing:

In thinking of a match day, the group were divided into four and asked to think about four broad time periods;

• Pre-match, at home / work – i.e. prior to departure for the match
• Pre-match, the journey through to kick off
• In game, kick off to full time
• Post-match, the journey back

Against each of these periods they were asked to consider the following questions, responding in thinking about an afternoon kick off and, separately as applicable, an evening fixture. The feedback contained below is taken from the hand written sheets that each group completed at the meeting.
Pre-match, at home / work – i.e. prior to departure for the match

Afternoon Kick Off

• What is your current match day routine – is it set, does it fluctuate, what overlay do you have with Bath Rugby before leaving for the match?
o Static routines by default, but open to change
o Information sought by supporters from multiple sources in regard to;
• Weather
• Buses
• Trains
• Roads

• How could Bath Rugby assist you in preparing for the match day?
o Deliver live information centrally from Bath Rugby to supporters on a targeted basis
• Complete a survey of match day attendees to understand how they travel in the short term
• Longer term this could be delivered through knowing more about the fans
• Content to include
• Transport information, covering roads, rail and buses
• Parking
• Information about other major Bath events taking place to cross sell and also make people aware of potential traffic / parking issues. Examples included Uni open days, Christmas market etc.
• Access management – any specific offers to entice to arrive early and any amendments to the norm
o Look at park and ride options that are run directly by the club

• What information would you want to have available from Bath Rugby, and how would this be received?
o Information as covered above
o Method – social media deemed important (Twitter as a primary), however supporters noted that email is effective pre-match and urgent messages should be considered by SMS as once people have left home they may not have access to WiFi or data

• On a continuum between operational and experiential – what percentage should each take up in match day communications?
o Operational; 70%
o Experiential: 30%

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward except for the routine question. With the remaining questions the additional comments relevant to evenings specifically

• What is your current match day routine – is it set, does it fluctuate, what overlay do you have with Bath Rugby before leaving for the match?
o Varied due to location of work
o Less options / choice open to fans due to foreshortened timeframe for arrival and entry

• How could Bath Rugby assist you in preparing for the match day?
o More flexible parking as people have less choice about transport mode, more suggested they drive after work than at weekends

• What information would you want to have available from Bath Rugby, and how would this be received?
o Understanding that the evening kick offs give everything a time compression and so the information wanted for a weekend game is still required, just further out to ensure it is of use

Pre match, the journey through to kick off

Afternoon Kick Off

• What are your current travel pain points in coming to The Rec and how could Bath Rugby assist with your journey to the match?
o Linked to the journey section, having to get information from multiple sources
o Connect fans for car sharing via an app / sharing medium
o Remember to consider away supporters to. Supporters want to be proud of our website, communications and operations and have away fans go away considering us world class – make sure to remember to cater for information for away supporters
o Lots of the current information focusses on the immediate Bath area. As per the earlier survey suggestion, understand where people are coming in from and tailor information for them. Make the connection individual

• Thinking about entry to the stadium, what are your current pain points and how would these be improved upon?
o North Parade entry to the stadium proves challenging due to car backlogs. Marshals at the cricket club and the entry point to the sports centre should also control flow in the road
o Greater signage to move people more readily, again with a note towards away supporters who are naturally less familiar with the ground
o Start this signage in town / at the station – guide people from further out, not just around The Rec

• What would you like to see in the ground pre match and how might this be delivered?
o Greater alcohol choices
o Fast start to the season – show fans what’s improved and get them comfortable with their journey / experience (“Takes a fan games to get going”)
o Wider catering for food (see below)
o Queue management, needs to be stewarded and focus on getting people into seats for kick off. It was noted that the bars are supposed to close ten minutes before kick off but this does not happen
o Connectivity and WiFi provision
o One stop shop for;
• Entertainment, interviews etc
• Info
• Concession purchases
• Purchasing
• Season Ticket premium access
o Season Ticket holder add values. No concrete suggestions – but feeling was that there was little value to being a season ticket holder versus a walk up on the day and a differentiated service should be offered

• How would you rate the food and beverage concessions at present, and what could be done to improve them?
o Wider choice for vegetarians
o Healthy options
o Know more about what the players eat / drink – help kids to understand nutrition
o Walk in restaurant facilities – no need to pre book, sit down meal – just classic pub menu options. Too big a gap between hospitality and general admission – want a middle ground

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward for evening games.

In game, kick off to full time

Afternoon Kick Off

• Thinking as you sit in your seat, what would you like to see to improve the atmosphere and / or your personal experience?
o Leg room / space between seats
o Improved PA activity – add volume and reduce ‘teacher like’ tone
o TMO info on the big screen – let the crowd know what is happening
• Ideally sound and audio – it’s a better experience at home!
• Better smoking provision including vape (if still permitted) and better stewarding of areas where it should not be permitted
o Junior supporter provision – what is there to engage young people at present?
o Working, consistent and visible game clocks and big screens
o Mobile phone / connectivity / WiFi connectivity

• How would you rate the food and beverage concessions at present, and what could be done to improve them?
o As pre match
o Short measures
o Counters accessible for wheelchair users!

• What is your current half time routine, and how could we improve upon your activity experience?
o People leaving early / going to toilet / bar early – there isn’t enough time to do both during the time window
o Beer app at more outlets
o Less is more – do a few things well, not many things poorly
o WiFi
o Add stewarding of people flow on a more proactive basis

• At the end of the game, would you like to see anything specific happen be that on pitch, in the stands, or anything else?
o Leaving – should be fast and uninterrupted. It shouldn’t take 15 minutes to leave the East Stand!
o People block exits and bars waiting for others – stewarding could improve
o Put traffic / major transport news on the big screens towards the end of the game – it’s a captive audience who all need to get home. Think motorway service station style
o Signage – right exit for right route home

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward for evening games, with the additional comments relevant to evenings specifically

• Thinking as you sit in your seat, what would you like to see to improve the atmosphere and / or your personal experience?
o No additions

• How would you rate the food and beverage concessions at present, and what could be done to improve them?
o People are coming from work – different menu required?

• What is your current half time routine, and how could we improve upon your activity experience?
o Same issues as the afternoon – just condensed as people are unwinding
o Better access to disabled toilets

• At the end of the game, would you like to see anything specific happen be that on pitch, in the stands, or anything else?
o No additions

Post-match, the journey back

Afternoon Kick Off

• Once you’ve left the stands, what is your typical routine? Stay in ground or leave? What would you like to see in this time slot – be that operational (quicker exit) or a reason to stay?
o Flow on foot and signage is key
o Announce any post-match offers

• What are your current travel pain points in leaving The Rec and how could Bath Rugby assist with your journey to the match?
o Connect with local services providers and transport hubs – bus station, train station etc. Route people early and consistently – station and then trains to London / South West separation as an example
o See earlier last train shuttle for wheelchair users note

• Thinking about exiting the stadium, what are your current pain points and how would these be improved upon?
o Coming in is a slow build up but going out is all at once – stewarding needs to be more proactive to assist in flow

• Upon your arrival at home, what would you like to know, see, hear from Bath Rugby?
o Thank you message for supporters. This is also relevant to away games. Currently it only goes out on Twitter – consider more channels and different formats. It means a lot
o Player and coach reaction – beyond the default and party lines. Raw, live, emotion – win or lose!
o Consolidation of post-match reaction and content, making it easier to find in one place post-match and linking pre and post game elements
o Confirm MOTM announcements
o Injury updates – if updates are known / confirmation of the latest
o Individual / game / team stats

Evening Kick Off

All elements of the afternoon feedback are carried forward for evening games, with the additional note that the exit transport issues are far worse

Wrapping Up:

Mike thanked the supporters for their open and honest feedback and finished by stating that WiFi provision at the ground was acknowledged as an issue and that, whilst details were as of yet unconfirmed, wheels are in motion to implement improvements for the start of the 2018 / 2019 season.


Apologies for the long post.

As the consultation develops it may be that a dedicated website could be created -if so I will post a link to it for viewing of these documents.

PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/04/2018 13:22

thanks PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 10/04/2018 13:29

[www.somersetlive.co.uk] Not quite Rec, but Trust branching out!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2018 21:05

Draft development brief published today.

[stadiumforbath.com]

Open for public consultation for the next 3 weeks.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2018 21:23

Very impressive document again. Really got to hand it to everyone they're playing this so professionally.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/04/2018 21:31

Yes I work with Turley, they are a quality outfit.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2018 11:25

I'm a huge advocate for this new stadium and how the club are tackling the project.

This document again is very impressive and I particularly like a few elements within it.

The club and project team are obviously still very focused on making this work for the whole community not just the rugby side of things. The detail that this document goes into is very impressive. For example - sightlines outside of the Rec, access routes and roof typology of Bath.

From a rugby view point. There are some interesting visuals around the allowed change in orientation of the stadium (meeting premiership guidelines), location - what they are and aren't considering and how the capacity increase and safety standards will affect the profile of the stands (I.e. increasing the slope of the stands)

While it's not yet showing concept art or stadium design it still provides good information on what route we are going down with the design consideration.

Well done Bath Rugby, keep it up!

Salmon

Adopted Player 17-18 & 16-17: Dave Attwood
Adopted Player 15-16: Matt Garvey

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: TCM2007 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/04/2018 23:41

Interesting document. Who knew there was a rugby standard pitch orientation?

Stuart

Former ed.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 06:53

I'm really looking forward to what they come up with in the design to deal with the height increase in the stands and yet keep all the existing views to and from the local monuments.

Decreasing the gradient of the stands is an option ruled out by standards. Wonder if we will end up with one huge stand hiding the sports centre, leaving the other three sides of similar height to now, thus keeping the views intact?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 07:56

In the document they talk about filling in the corners for acoustic reasons, I would have thought that would win quite a few new seats / places. Some interesting stuff In there.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 09:19

Bath Salmon

I think the current "South" stand will remain intact. It is the West and North sides that will see all the change given the East stand has to be temporary (?).

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 09:33

So we are saying shift the stadium slightly eastwards to make more room for the riverside development. Fill the corners for sound improvements and reduce the need for increased height of the stands and if needed block the sports centre eye-sore. Make the east stand permanent and keep the terraces in the north stand. Presumably the swift half moves into the stadium as a permanent feature?

The only rugby related reason for shifting the stadium orientation clockwise I can see is the stadium is squashed into its current position and presumably changing the orientation would allow for an increase in the in-goal areas etc?

It would though make the stadium feel very different with different sightlines and the setting sun and cross wind coming from a slightly different direction.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 09:50

Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Salmon
I think the current "South" stand will remain intact. It is the West and North sides that will see all the change given the East stand has to be temporary (?).

The Development Brief states "Stadium of Bath also wish to ensure that an area of terrace standingis retained in the new stadium, and that the east stand becomes a permanent erection " (p48). So we aren't constrained by that anymore providing we can demonstrate the Rec can still be used by all.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 10:46

Yep! The East Stand is not required to be temporary anymore. That changed with the new powers given to the Rec Trust. From reading the document it looks like the ground will be moved eastwards and moved clockwise up to the permitted gradient allowed. This will give more recreational space on the riverside. I think the whole lot will be demolished and they will start from scratch!

The most important factor are the views and height will be restricted for that. The further East the stadium goes height will become less of an issue!

http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7Mwi7pLXeM89TY2KFdDQ-UUDGSv1FKNdhYdrW-koAuRN3tsqCPfE3onFxuO-3cZ0057Tom1uJai3vjkz3dvY_Q/1998%20Euro%20Champs.jpg http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pFul9UAV5zEXOzeRc1kmmlgDKXTYTIlTnGoQzYelH6KzdCeU-exN0IGo74QN2OGvlSoEiVjzAESvHx9BFlBsNFA/Bath%202008.jpg

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 10:54

Blimey Mr Salmon!

I flicked through the report but have not had time to read it.

That is a radical change and as you rightly say opens up a lot more possibilities.

Mind you "the fiends" will be frothing at the mouth over that prospect!

If the whole lot is demolished I wonder if that means Mr Dyson might be not only be opening his chequebook but the door to his vault?


Mr CC, do you mean that as it moves East then the sightlines of the Abbey and Pulteney Bridge are less affected?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 11:37

So a question for those with better knowledge than mine...

What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club? - Something to benchmark ourselves against.

Most teams have developed their stadiums piece-meal or moved into football stadiums.

Could we be the first in living memory?

What an opportunity we have to make this a real Flagship stadium in England!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 11:46

I think page 52 or thereabouts talk of sight lines.

http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7Mwi7pLXeM89TY2KFdDQ-UUDGSv1FKNdhYdrW-koAuRN3tsqCPfE3onFxuO-3cZ0057Tom1uJai3vjkz3dvY_Q/1998%20Euro%20Champs.jpg http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pFul9UAV5zEXOzeRc1kmmlgDKXTYTIlTnGoQzYelH6KzdCeU-exN0IGo74QN2OGvlSoEiVjzAESvHx9BFlBsNFA/Bath%202008.jpg

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:00

"What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club?"

Allianz Park?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:04

Bathsalmon, I would have thought that those below are amongst the newest?

- Parc y Scarlets 2008
- Sandy Park 2006

I wonder where we would play 'home' games whilst the stadium is flattened and rebuilt?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:07

Quote:
DanWiley
"What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club?"
Allianz Park?

I think that this was a redevelopment of an existing stadium?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:19

Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
DanWiley
"What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club?"
Allianz Park?

I think that this was a redevelopment of an existing stadium?

Wikipedia tells me Allianz Park was originally an Athletics Stadium.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:24

Yes, sorry I thought that you meant grounds that started from nothing. Sarries played in a load of other grounds the seasons before IIRC - will be interested to see our solution.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:30

I did mean that really.

AJ Bell is very recent. Built in 2012, but built by the council and not the rugby club.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:32

Quote:
BathMatt53
Bathsalmon, I would have thought that those below are amongst the newest?
- Parc y Scarlets 2008
- Sandy Park 2006

I wonder where we would play 'home' games whilst the stadium is flattened and rebuilt?

Ii understand a temporary structure for a season on that part of the rec not affected by the construction.

http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7Mwi7pLXeM89TY2KFdDQ-UUDGSv1FKNdhYdrW-koAuRN3tsqCPfE3onFxuO-3cZ0057Tom1uJai3vjkz3dvY_Q/1998%20Euro%20Champs.jpg http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pFul9UAV5zEXOzeRc1kmmlgDKXTYTIlTnGoQzYelH6KzdCeU-exN0IGo74QN2OGvlSoEiVjzAESvHx9BFlBsNFA/Bath%202008.jpg

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:40

P74. "The southern side of the Rec is constrained by the recently refurbished Leisure Centre. Although this is currently not available for development it is important that the design does not proclude future redevelopment potential."

Interesting....
Wonder if we are looking into this actively?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:46

"A new of enhanced pedestrian crossing point across the river could be explored in further detail"

Access to the site is such a big deal. This could really add to supporter match day experience if *access was so much easier.



*to the pubs

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 12:48

They’d better name the new bridge after me.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 13:05

How exactly are they going to do that in from of the weir - zipwire across the river? Jetpacks like in the LA Olympics?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 13:09

Trebuchet.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 13:19

P67. Is suggesting the ambition to connect the parade grounds to the Rec. Not sure if "Former underground access" means a tunnel under the river?

But the visuals suggest a clear pathway across.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 13:43

"Wikipedia tells me Allianz Park was originally an Athletics Stadium."

I've never been, but I understand the original was a pretty small rundown affair. Does much of the original still exist?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 14:05

Quote:
DanWiley
"Wikipedia tells me Allianz Park was originally an Athletics Stadium."
I've never been, but I understand the original was a pretty small rundown affair. Does much of the original still exist?

The athletics track is around the pitch and used by Barnet & District Athletics Club and Shaftesbury Barnet Harriers I think.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 14:30

Quote:
BathSalmon
P67. Is suggesting the ambition to connect the parade grounds to the Rec. Not sure if "Former underground access" means a tunnel under the river?
But the visuals suggest a clear pathway across.

Yes a pedestrian bridge is on the cards.

http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7Mwi7pLXeM89TY2KFdDQ-UUDGSv1FKNdhYdrW-koAuRN3tsqCPfE3onFxuO-3cZ0057Tom1uJai3vjkz3dvY_Q/1998%20Euro%20Champs.jpg http://zdgzqa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pFul9UAV5zEXOzeRc1kmmlgDKXTYTIlTnGoQzYelH6KzdCeU-exN0IGo74QN2OGvlSoEiVjzAESvHx9BFlBsNFA/Bath%202008.jpg

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 14:43

I don't think that they would get that in a million years due to the views across to / from the weir and Pulteney Bridge but I guess we will see. I also don't think that its necessary if the stadium is designed correctly based on crowd flow modelling. They do obviously need better ways than the teeny staircase off the N parade and the equally teeny staircase from the end of Argyle Street though.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 14:45

Quote:
CoochieCoo
Quote:
BathSalmon
P67. Is suggesting the ambition to connect the parade grounds to the Rec. Not sure if "Former underground access" means a tunnel under the river?
But the visuals suggest a clear pathway across.

Yes a pedestrian bridge is on the cards.

Think it's a good move to try and make the connection between the Parade grounds with the new Riverside development / green space (metaphorically and in real terms of a footpath). It's clear from the pictures how much space they are going to afford the riverside development - a nearly half the size of the parade grounds the other side.

Connecting these visitor attractions with improved access can only be a good thing and will be needed to make the Riverside attraction a success.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Barnoid (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 14:54

Quote:
CoochieCoo
Quote:
BathSalmon
P67. Is suggesting the ambition to connect the parade grounds to the Rec. Not sure if "Former underground access" means a tunnel under the river?
But the visuals suggest a clear pathway across.

Yes a pedestrian bridge is on the cards.

Maybe we could re-use the plans for the scrapped "Garden Bridge" that was going to happen up in London?

Mayor Gilchrist might fancy himself as a Bo-Jo wannabe and could push it as his own pet / vanity project.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 15:10

Quote:
Barnoid
Quote:
CoochieCoo
Quote:
BathSalmon
P67. Is suggesting the ambition to connect the parade grounds to the Rec. Not sure if "Former underground access" means a tunnel under the river?
But the visuals suggest a clear pathway across.

Yes a pedestrian bridge is on the cards.

Maybe we could re-use the plans for the scrapped "Garden Bridge" that was going to happen up in London?

Not sure if this is a tongue-cheek comment; but I personally love all that stuff. Be creative and do something different! So yes let's hope they are reading this.

I'd suggest shrubs rather than trees to reduce the view impact.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: rainbow (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 16:32

Home games would be played at Twickenham such has been the raging success of the past two years the suits opinion not mine.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: seb (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 17:57

Quote:
BathSalmon
So a question for those with better knowledge than mine...
What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club? - Something to benchmark ourselves against.

Most teams have developed their stadiums piece-meal or moved into football stadiums.

Could we be the first in living memory?

What an opportunity we have to make this a real Flagship stadium in England!

Sandy Park - Exeter. Ours will be 100 times better!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/04/2018 19:27

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So a question for those with better knowledge than mine...
What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club? - Something to benchmark ourselves against.

Most teams have developed their stadiums piece-meal or moved into football stadiums.

Could we be the first in living memory?

What an opportunity we have to make this a real Flagship stadium in England!

Sandy Park - Exeter. Ours will be 100 times better!

Well done to you if you achieve that! You are half way through your redevelopment right, doing it in two or three stages?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Boxer (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2018 18:26

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"What is the last stadium to be built in Britain from scratch for a rugby club?"
Allianz Park?

I think that this was a redevelopment of an existing stadium?

It was once purely an athletics stadium (Copthall). It continues to be so in the summer when the temporary stands and seats are removed. It is then the home of Shaftesbury Barnet Harriers and others. The East stand is the original. Plans are in hand for its demolition and the erection of a new, shiney, smart one!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2018 17:10

[stadiumforbath.com]

Stadium for Bath has appointed a leading engineering firm to play a central role in the design of a new community-focused stadium for the city.

Global engineering and design consultancy Arup has been appointed by Stadium for Bath, which brings together Bath Rugby, Bath Rugby Foundation and Arena 1865. Arup will provide an extensive range of building engineering and specialist technical services.

The appointment follows a rigorous, multi-stage procurement process involving a series of workshops with the Stadium for Bath team. The workshops explored engineering challenges posed by the proposed site, which is positioned in the centre of the UNESCO World Heritage city.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 01/05/2018 17:43

Keep ticking off those milestones!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: johnnyf (IP Logged)
Date: 02/05/2018 13:03

Ove Arup appointed today as consultants for a totally engineered stadium.
Along with Grimshaw as lead Architects this provides a team of the cream of global design.
We can expect true quality from this.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2018 13:10

I attended a brief update meeting before yesterday's game - as did Coochie Coo.

We were shown an artist's impression of the Architect's vision for the riverside face of the stadium (taken from their original pitch for the work). This looks both environmentally sensitive and contemporary.

Key points from the concept which Stadium for Bath, their architects and consultants are currently working on are:

* make the riverside a "space to enjoy", encouraging "dwell time" there
* a connecting bridge from Parade Gardens offering access on match day
* use of terraced steps as a flood defence
* Stadium for Bath want to produce social, economic and community benefits for the city from the project -to include other activities in addition to sport
* As a community asset they also intend it should have an outreach aspect - educational and employment opportunities are being considered
* they wish to make it part of a "Smart city" strategy using latest technology
* they are also investigating the likely tourism benefits and studying other cities with central sports stadia (there is only one World Heritage site in Europe currently with a sports stadium in it's centre -Vienna) to learn lessons

Emerging designs will be produced over the next two months.

In July there will be a consultation meeting with Steering Group members to discuss these - Coochie and I will be among the invitees and will keep you posted.


PG

P G Tips



Paul Grant: my adopted Player, 2017-18.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2018 17:37

I’m getting better and better vibes as this goes on. Thanks for the updates.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2018 17:59

On commentary yesterday did I hear that an open ended horse shoe was mooted of contemporary design. Described as gladiatorial.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2018 18:23

Thanks PGT. Yes the new look riverside is great and I liked the idea of the collonades theme of the other side. Steps down to the river make it very attractive and large open green space for leisure and recreation. The "radial gate" near the North side entrance to be demolished widening the access area. Pedestrian bridge from Parade Gardens to the riverside area links the two and will give a clear view of Pulteney Bridge without the radial gate.

The stadium to be moved to the East and they are working out the optimum positioning. Horse shoe wasn't mentioned but there is no need anymore as we do not need a temporary stand now.

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Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathPatriot (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2018 12:24

Any more news in relation to Stadium plans?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2018 12:38

BP

Latest as far as I know is in Coochie's post above and mine of same date.

Not expecting much more until the design consultations in July.

Meanwhile, Stadium for Bath site, here:

[stadiumforbath.com]

is worth a read to keep informed.

PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathPatriot (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2018 14:25

Cheers PG

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2018 15:01

Any chance we could have a cut down version of the Atlanta Falcons Mercedes Benz stadium? That would have Worthy choking on his cornflakes!!!

[mercedesbenzstadium.com]

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2018 16:32

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Any chance we could have a cut down version of the Atlanta Falcons Mercedes Benz stadium? That would have Worthy choking on his cornflakes!!!
[mercedesbenzstadium.com]

Impressive. Their sustainability credentials should definitely be met - rainwater harvesting for the bogs, solar panels for energy etc. has to be a minimum these days.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 16/05/2018 21:04

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Any chance we could have a cut down version of the Atlanta Falcons Mercedes Benz stadium? That would have Worthy choking on his cornflakes!!!
[mercedesbenzstadium.com]

Impressive. Their sustainability credentials should definitely be met - rainwater harvesting for the bogs, solar panels for energy etc. has to be a minimum these days.
Yes, in all seriousness whilst the look wouldn't be right, the level of thought and engineering excellence is something to behold. Presumably it's the kind of project that Arup and Grimshaw would be well aware of anyway.
"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: cookiecrumble (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 11:11

Sorry for not being up to speed on the latest discussions regarding the pitch for the new stadium. Seeing the Jack Willis injury for wasps being attributed to the 3G/4G pitch (sorry - I don’t know the difference - is it better for streaming music...?) and lots of people calling for end of these sorts of pitches. How does that fit with Baths current ideas?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 12:14

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Scarlets say preparations for Saturday's Pro14 final against Leinster have been hampered by burns and blisters suffered by players in Friday's semi-final victory at Glasgow.

Coach Wayne Pivac said Scotstoun's 4G pitch was "very bad", Steff Evans said it was "shocking" and Johnny McNicholl says such surfaces should be "illegal".

Pivac said players suffered blisters, sore feet and "a lot of bad burns".

Glasgow said they are "entirely happy with" the playing surface.

The Warriors added the pitch "is fully compliant with World Rugby's performance specification".

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 12:18

Is there any evidence that these pitches cause more injuries? I've only really herd unqualified voices saying "I bet it was the pitch." Possibly studies along the lines of red wine cures and causes cancer.

I don't particularly like them, but given the RFU's investment in them there needs to be something pretty categorical to change their use.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 12:20

For example, burns and blisters aren't going to cut it, try playing on most grass pitches this time of year.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 13:30

[www.englandrugby.com]

8. Artificial grass pitch risk in the elite game: The PGB has commissioned further independent analysis on different injury types and the relative risk of these on AGP in the elite game compared with natural turf. This will be included in the next PRISP report as part of the independent analysis led by the University of Bath.

The current report says:

During the 2016-17 season, games at three
Premiership venues were played on artificial turf
(Allianz Park, Kingston Park, Sixways Stadium). For
the first season, the incidence and burden of match
injury on artificial turf was significantly higher
than that of natural grass. The burden of injuries
sustained when training on artificial turf was also
higher than those sustained when training on
natural turf. The severity of match injuries as well
as the incidence and severity of training injuries on
artificial turf was not significantly different to that of
natural grass. There was no significant difference in
injury risk between the three artificial turf pitches.
Combining the data for the four seasons of injury
surveillance that have included matches played on
artificial turf, neither injury incidence or severity
differ between surfaces. PRISP will continue to
monitor the risk during 2017/18 season and will also
report on the relative risk of the common injuries on
AGPs compared with natural turf.

Notes/ Definitions:

Burden (days absence)

The burden of injury is a measure which takes into account both the frequency and severity of injuries. Burden is measured as the days absence per 1,000 player-hours of exposure.

Injury incidence

The likelihood of sustaining an injury during match play or training is reported as the injury incidence. The injury incidence is the number of injuries expressed per 1,000 player-hours of match exposure (or training exposure).

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 15:43

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For example, burns and blisters aren't going to cut it, try playing on most grass pitches this time of year.

Well sort of, water natural turf and the grass holds the water, it also softens the ground a tad, water artificial and it drains an dries pretty fast.

Though short sleeves leaves elbows and forearms pretty exposed. I've some pretty big knee scars from 7's tournaments that necessitated me wearing knee bandages in the dry.

I have to say I'd take a bang to a burn any day!

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 15:54

A plastic pitch doesn't depend on moisture for its malleability, a grass pitch does.

I've cut myself to ribbons on pitches around this time of year. I'd take burns over that.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 16:43

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A plastic pitch doesn't depend on moisture for its malleability, a grass pitch does.
I've cut myself to ribbons on pitches around this time of year. I'd take burns over that.

Current grass premiership pitches with professional groundsmen will be a bit different from those I'm guessing DW. Also they will have people who can water them before a game. The Twickenham pitch was rock hard for The Clash, although the grass was lovely and soft. There were about 6 people just sitting on mowers following anyone who went on it mind you.

Interestingly the Scarlets guys were saying that the 4g pitch was 'very dry' - I wasn't aware that these were watered routinely so that comment confused me.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 16:58

Most grass pitches, up to quite a high level, are not tended to by professional grounds keepers to that extent though, yet they are deemed safe to play on though. I would not be surprised to find the risk posed by a national 1 or championship pitch at this time of year is any different from the risk posed by a plastic pitch.

The real point is though that plenty of people, not least the RFU, have invested many millions in these pitches and would have to invest many more to put them back to their original state. There'll be a lot of lobbing from all directions to keep them and I can't see anything less a significant amount of literature say "these things aren't just a bit worse, they are lethal" persuading making them do it. The grey areas, like I've suggested above, give them plenty of leeway to move on.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 17:33

Agreed - for example the Walcot pitch at Lansdown was like a cheese grater last spring / summer. Interested to see what next years PRISP report shows when they have the Bath uni data.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 22:13

The point of discussing this is because we are considering the nature of our pitch in the new stadium. Going forward I hope we have a good old grass pitch complete with mud, variable length and grass stains. Its part of rugby in my view.

Say what you will 4G surfaces are going to continue to exacerbate injuries, here is another young England star out for 12 months, some believe the artificial turf contributed. Jack Willis out of England tour.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2018 22:38

I’m in the Desso camp for sure. All of the advantages of a grass pitch whilst not cutting up quite as much from what I can see.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 08:10

"Say what you will 4G surfaces are going to continue to exacerbate injuries, here is another young England star out for 12 months, some believe the artificial turf contributed."

What if what I'm saying is that "we need evidence that 4g surfaces exacerbate injuries" and "some say" isn't any sort of evidence. Citing an example, in a game where injuries on all pitches are commonplace, is not very useful either.

Bath Matt's report is better, but there it seems to say one thing then another, it isn't (yet) the categorical evidence that's needed. I don't particularly want such a pitch, but I can see the advantage, particularly to us trying to build on the rec.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 08:57

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Bath Matt's report is better, but there it seems to say one thing then another, it isn't (yet) the categorical evidence that's needed. I don't particularly want such a pitch, but I can see the advantage, particularly to us trying to build on the rec.

They just split it out I think:

- last season (only) the match injuries on plastic were more frequent (incidence) and resulted in more days lost (burden);
- last season (only) the training injuries on plastic resulted in more days lost (burden), but incidence was no worse;
- none of the three artificial match pitches were any worse than any of the others;
- when averaged over all 4 seasons, the pattern from last season disappears - i.e. there is no difference. So, there is something about last season which has resulted in this new pattern.

We will indeed have to wait until next years report to see if this season was just an anomaly.

Also discussed on the Worcester board (they water their plastic pitch before each game) - interesting perspectives from those who already have one.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 09:20

Having played a lot of competitive hockey on plastic pitches and having the scars to prove it unless you water them they are a nightmare. It is like falling on a cheese grater. There is a lot less contact with the ground in hockey except for your left hand and most wear a glove to prevent repeated injury. I would never want to play rugby on this sort of surface. If we need help with the surface in the new stadium due to air flow etc Desso is the only way to go.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 10:04

Agree Matt, the evidence is there, it seems that there are more 4g injuries in training rather than matches.

Some of the graphs in the full report are interesting but there is so much in there I find it difficult to interpret so I think it is best left for someone else to summarise,

I'd like to know a bit more about current watering practices, my experience is that games on artificial pitches at Cardiff are always watered beforehand. Does that happen for training and does that have an effect on injuries?

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 11:10

TG, is that a rugby standard hockey pitch? Or just a "normal" 3/4g pitch?

My experience is that you can get hurt on a plastic rugby pitch, but generally I don't worry about having contact with the ground on them any more than I do on a hardish grass pitch.

I've seen a couple of horrendous leg breaks, plus other injuries, as a result of grass pitches that are too wet.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 12:02

All types need water to play hockey on. Don’t get me wrong they are the best thing for hockey and transformed the game but the dynamics are much different. You rarely get tackled rugby style in hockey and legal contact should be with both players fairly upright and shoulder to shoulder. Mind you diving in attempt to score can be painful but usually there is not contact with another player so it is more predictable.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 16:48

I know this is only in relation to burns on artificial pitches but I had to visit Cardiff Arms Park, (Cardiff Blues). Its a warm day in Cardiff but I have to say the pitch was insanely hot. I mean physically hot. I poured a bottle of water on it which disappeared through drainage but the tuft itself was dry within 5 minutes.

That pitch would have to be drenched if you were playing on it in the summer, so its not just friction burns that are the problem. I have to say though the 'grass' was softer than I remember!

They use this stuff FieldTurf interestingly they also have a product that is said to be 20 degrees cooler.

Re: Stadium Development
Posted by: SotonHoop (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2018 21:42

Reading a lot about the new development, am glad the east side will be a permanent structure and if the ground moves across slightly then there is scope for a really good sized stand , am hoping each stand will have its own unique character and I definitely agree with the views of the skyline not being blocked out as they are so important and give Bath its charm and ultimate selling point for a great day out for the visiting supporters. Keeping terracing at one end or mayb at the front of one stand on the side but having seats above would also be something I think everyone will love to see. A roof on each stand is a must, ecostics, bad weather and aesthetics of the ground just to name a few things that would improve. Top it off with grass or probably a Desso style pitch and I think it would be just the best place to watch and play rugger. Here’s hoping once we see a mock up ideas we all think wow.

Re: Rec Development
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 29/05/2018 09:20

For the sake of completeness I have merged the previous stadium development thread with the submission thread.

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Re: Rec Development
Posted by: johnnyf (IP Logged)
Date: 13/06/2018 18:56

Saw a bus in Bath this afternnon which had its coachwork covered in a promotional design for
"Stadium for Bath"
Now that seems an up-to-date means of putting the message out to the people of Bath (and beyond)

Re: Rec Development
Posted by: Puxonian (IP Logged)
Date: 15/06/2018 19:29

Stade de Bain

Re: Rec Development
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Date: 16/06/2018 05:21

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Stade de Bain
we can replaced the pipes in trumpets with Victorian era gurgling pipework?
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