Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?


By Cardiff Blues Blog - @TheBluesLife
November 17 2015

@TheBluesLife gives us his thoughts on the news in relation to Rhys Patchell and his potential move to West Wales this summer. People who visit the 1876 Cardiff Rugby website or our Twitter page know my views on this potential loss of this player, and it is good to get different thoughts on this particular area. Do you agree with @TheBluesLife thoughts? Hope you enjoy the article, and if you do please give the writer a follow on Twitter, he tweets a lot of info in relation to the Cardiff Blues and is well worth a follow. Thanks all, now over to the article.

News has broken in the Welsh rugby media this week that Rhys Patchell is being linked with a move West to the Scarlets at the end of the season, when his contract runs out. WalesOnline were the first to break the news and it was taken up pretty quickly around Welsh rugby fans.

It has been a quiet rumour since the end of last season that Patchell might be moving on, but the general consensus was that he’d be offered and sign a new contract at Cardiff. However, it appears he has rejected that contract, which was a very reasonable offer, on the basis that he wants to be assured of a fly-half position, despite having started every game there so far this season, and Steven Shingler performing well in Llanelli.

So, if he does move on, what does that mean for Cardiff? Well, we are definitely losing a good player. Rhys has a massive goal kicking range, his pace is handy in defence and attack, he’s a creative outside-half and he’s a proper utility back, with the capability of playing at fly-half, centre and full-back effectively.

Having said that, I don’t feel that as yet we’re losing a great player. His goal kicking, despite it being long range, is sometimes wayward. The creativity is a plus sometimes, but often he likes to be involved in the game from a wider position as he doesn’t play like a conventional stand-off. This works well with a southern hemisphere style of play for a player like Quade Cooper, for example, but Cardiff require a more structured outside-half who can take the game by the scruff of the neck from first receiver.

Will he become a great player? Well it’s difficult to say at this stage. He’s clearly a good player, and he’s only 22, but the thing is, he doesn’t really seemed to have built on the potential he had when he broke into the Cardiff side at 19. I’m sure he might’ve hoped now to have increased the two Wales caps won on the summer tour to Japan by now, but with Dan Biggar and Rhys Priestland ahead of him since, and Gareth Anscombe and Matthew Morgan selected ahead of him at the World Cup, it seems Warren Gatland hasn’t been overly impressed either.

Talking of Gareth Anscombe, he’s kind of the side debate in this story. The main reason Patchell has given for leaving is the lack of assurance he will be played at fly-half, due to Gareth Anscombe. Danny Wilson says that there is no stipulation in Anscombe’s NDC that says he must be played at 10, and that he picks each position on merit. But even if there was, I don’t see why Patchell would be miffed, because when they both play at 10 and 15 they are very fluid anyway. Personally, I think we work best when they both start like that and just play where necessary, keeps the opposition guessing, and means Anscombe can stand at first receiver where he’s best, and Patchell can play wider where he prefers to be. Having said that, if you told me only one could play and it had to be at 10, I’d pick Anscombe, purely for the structure he provides at stand-off and his ability to take the ball to the gain line. I know he didn’t have an easy first season, but with better players outside him and longer for him to settle, I hope to see some improvement.

Anyway, back to Patchell, and Wilson has commented on the story this week, making a very good point. While praising Rhys’ performance against Glasgow, where he kicked 20 points, he also said, ‘ultimately what we need and what we want here are players who want to be here and play for Cardiff Blues.’ Quite right too. No matter how good of a player Rhys is, and how disappointing it’ll be to lose a local lad, we don’t want players who aren’t prepared to fight for their place if we want to be competing with the big boys. A big criticism of the Cardiff squad over the last few weeks is the size of it, and maybe losing a player like Patchell would open up a bit of money to spend on a decent tight five squad player, then we can get rid of some of the no-hopers we have there.

The last thing to touch on is what will we do without him? It’s a good question as the fact is he has started every game while Anscombe has been away with Wales, and now with his injury. However, the question was answered in the 77th minute of the game against Glasgow, when Rey Lee Lo was replaced by Pro12 debutant Jarrod Evans. Having come through the Blues academy system since he was 14, Jarrod has played at Wales U18 and U20 level, making four appearances at the Junior World Championship last summer. He’s overcome a somewhat injured plighted placement at his local club Pontypridd in the last two seasons, but still made a decent impression and culminated his time there with a Principality Premiership win last season. He impressed enough in an A team friendly against Ospreys to taste first team action against the champions, and with his long term contract will be around for many years. If he can continue his development in the A team, and Patchell’s departure is confirmed, then hopefully we’ll see him in the first team towards the end of the season ready to step up next year.

All in all, it’s kind of mixed feelings over Patchell’s departure. If he goes then it’ll be disappointing to lose a good, local player who we have brought through our system and could have been challenging in the points and appearances charts. It’ll also be slightly annoying to lose him to rivals in Scarlets, but, it won’t be the end of the World. Gareth Anscombe is a high quality fly-half, Jarrod Evans is ready to step up, and if Leigh Halfpenny were to return, then full-back wouldn’t need cover. All we can do is wait and see!

Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: 1876 Cardiff Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2015 20:07

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Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Cardiffblues1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/11/2015 20:38

Agree he hasn't kicked on and seems to be missing the point that only he can guarantee himself the 10 shirt. Pivac can't guarantee him the Scarlets 10 shirt either.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Beard from Tad Cymru (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2015 17:42

Agree 100% on all those points. I might even have written it myself - if I wasn't so lazy

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Blues Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2015 17:55

Completely agree. The point is he needs to produce performances week in week out to make it impossible for the coach NOT to pick him at 10. It's up to Patchell - no-one else.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Rayerker (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2015 20:50

Some short memories here. Other than navidi he has been our most consistent performer for the past three seasons. People sau he needs to up his performances but does he really? We are bottom three and have been@#$%&for four years and yet in that time filise, Rees, hoeata, Gavin Evans, cuthbert etc are selected every week regardless of form. Lou reed, fish and Hobbs are weak and others such as Adam jones got picked each weak despite being only good at one thing. And yet our young, local boy who literally was the only bright light during phil Daviess tenure has to pull his socks up and be more consistent.
Every good outside half have options available to them. Patchell has had barely any options available to him while he's been here. No pack platform, limited short runners, a poor twelve and a scrum half (last few months apart) who has taken no decision making responsibility. Oh yes and no proper number eight.
He'll be a huge loss.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Michaelblues (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2015 11:31

Rayerker- I think alot of people are disappointed for him as well. A guy with huge prospects who we all know hasnt really kicked on.
On thursday he was extremely poor and naturally people have linked it to his effort/desire to stay at the blues.
Its a strange decision to demand ten - when he is playing ten and should be confident in keeping his own place seeing as he will have a good few months in the position before Anscombe is back.
You cant blame him wanting to get out of the blues but you also cant blame fans being disappointed.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Michaelblues (IP Logged)
Date: 23/11/2015 11:32

Rayerker- I think alot of people are disappointed for him as well. A guy with huge prospects who we all know hasnt really kicked on.
On thursday he was extremely poor and naturally people have linked it to his effort/desire to stay at the blues.
Its a strange decision to demand ten - when he is playing ten and should be confident in keeping his own place seeing as he will have a good few months in the position before Anscombe is back.
You cant blame him wanting to get out of the blues but you also cant blame fans being disappointed.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: gcblues (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2015 08:04

I won't criticise Patchell for his performances all the time because he plays with the cards he's been dealt and that's an underpowered front 5 and centres who would not start for any team in the Aviva or top 14. He knows he needs better players and so take it upon himself a lot of the time.

What I will criticise is if he's leaving because he's not guaranteed the 10 shirt. After the debacle of the last couple of years, there needs to be a work ethic and a desire to be first choice and not to simply just expect it (which has become to the norm). Sure he can be upset about Anscombe coming in and being the 10 but why walk away from the challenge? Is steve shingler going to give him the 10 shirt at Llanelli?

Then again, would you rather play along side gavin evans and adam Thomas/rey lee lo or Jonathan Davies and Scott Williams.



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Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Cardiffblues1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2015 09:26

If he doesn't improve he won't be playing with them he will be watching them play from the bench or the stand. Yes the Blues under Hammett treated him poorly, yes the pack has been poor for years but now what is worse than both of those is his attitude of demanding a shirt without improving his skills. He has huge potential but frankly this sulk needs to end.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Nickysbeard (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2015 18:03

I must be watching a different player, he's been one of our best players.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Invader (IP Logged)
Date: 24/11/2015 20:14

Pains me to say this but, let the lad go to a proper club with a bit of ambition. Besides, I've heard he doesn't stick to the game plan (if there is any) and does what he wants.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: AndrewBlues (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2015 20:21

This is ridiculous, we should not let a local lad, who's come through the age grades, and has bags of potential leave this side so easily, absolutely ridiculous. Yes, maybe he isn't the player we all expected him to be when he first came on the scene, but not exactly possible considering the people he has outside him. Anscombe wouldn't exactly thrive either at the moment with the team we've got. Knowing a lot of Turks they all would take Patchell within a heartbeat, but not Anscombe. For me Anscombe is very much a fullback (as demonstrated in the World Cup, which I feel he played superbly!) and Patchell is a fly half. Good luck to the lad, I sure do hope he proves a lot of us wrong.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Nickysbeard (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2015 21:33

There was a rumour that he asked to be released by cardiff to join the scarlets early.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: BoosBoos (IP Logged)
Date: 26/11/2015 22:48

Quote:
Nickysbeard
There was a rumour that he asked to be released by cardiff to join the scarlets early.

Didn't it fall down because Turks wouldn't allow Shingler to come other way as part of deal? They still think they can hang on to him

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Invader (IP Logged)
Date: 27/11/2015 10:39

If a player wants to leave, there's @#$%& all they can do. Why would he stay? Our club/region has turned into a joke.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: gcblues (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2015 08:02

lol, invader you need to calm down old boy.

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: Invader (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2015 12:11

Quote:
gcblues
lol, invader you need to calm down old boy.

Perfectly calm old chap. Just pointing out how @#$%& poor we've become. I don't even care when we lose these days as I'm used to it. That says it all...

Re: Rhys Patchell to Scarlets?
Posted by: gcblues (IP Logged)
Date: 30/11/2015 12:50

We've been poor for 3 seasons now, there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel although it seems very far away

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