Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview


By Mark W-J
January 13 2011

Just as the Championship season seems to be building-up a head of steam ahead of the ridiculously early conclusion, we break for two more rounds of the British & Irish Cup.  With two teams to qualify for the quarter-finals we’re still in with a chance of progressing, despite the horrific home defeat to Moseley last month, but we need to win either – or  preferably both - of the next two fixtures.

This weekend we visit Bedford, who are currently second in Pool C with four points from their 36-22 win over Ulster.  The Irish province top the pool by virtue of their bonus-point win over Swansea in November, and they visit ODP next Saturday.  There is a question-mark, however, over how seriously Welsh and Bedford will be taking the cup over the coming fortnight.  From our perspective promotion has been our stated aim since the start of the season – RFU audits notwithstanding – whereas the Blues are seemingly happy playing a very high standard at a semi-pro level after the near-disaster of their Premiership escapade in the late-90s.  They have a good record in the old knockout competitions, winning the John Player Cup (28-12 v Rosslyn Park in 1975) and Powergen Shield (14-13 v Plymouth Albion in 2005), and losing in the final of the EDF Energy Trophy (39-23 v Harlequins in 2006), and may feel that, with promotion an unrealistic objective, another cup run would provide just reward for their loyal followers.

Matters for Welsh are further complicated by the rearranged Championship fixture at Rotherham next Wednesday (19th January).  Do we keep our first-choice XV back for the trip to Yorkshire and therefore sacrifice any chances of cup glory?  The Cornish Pirates’ colours were lowered at Clifton Lane last weekend when they fought back from a 12-0 half-time deficit only to lose 19-18, with the home side charging down the conversion of a last-minute penalty try to seal the victory.  That result – along with our 48-12 win over Moseley - saw Welsh move up to third in the table, and if we win our game in hand next week we will overtake Bedford in second place.  The Blues have suffered back-to-back defeats to the Pirates (23-13) and Worcester (33-0) so may be looking at Saturday’s game as a chance to get their season back on-track.

As if the various permutations weren’t convoluted enough, our last four league fixtures include the visit of Bedford on 5th February and a trip to Worcester seven days later, while the Warriors have a chance to avenge their only league defeat of the season thus far when they travel to Penzance on the last weekend of January.  Do we want to keep our powder dry ahead of the league clash with the Blues?  Would we willingly sacrifice a rare victory at Sixways if it meant maintaining an element of surprise in the play-offs?  Since picking-up bonus points in narrow defeats to Bedford and Worcester we’ve rattled-off six consecutive league wins for the first time since 2008, when we finished the 2007-08 season with four victories and started the new season with three further wins.  Not wishing to tempt fate, but that sequence was brought to an end by Bedford, who won 32-23 at ODP in late-September.

Bedford won 19 of the 23 league games that they played in 2010 (excluding play-offs) compared to 18 from 23 for Welsh; we were the two losing semi-finalists in the inaugural play-offs, each finishing second in our respective pools with four wins from six games.  Their average home crowd last season in the main stage of the season was 2,923 – exactly twice the 1,456 who attended the eleven games at ODP.  The Blues’ visit is invariably the biggest attraction of the season, the crowds swelled by the travelling supporters who regularly outnumber the home fans, yet last season’s attendance of 2,240 in the October sun was bettered in thirteen of their fourteen home games across the season.  The cup clash in February – our first in nearly 40 years of cup competitions - coincided with Wales’ Six Nations meeting with Scotland, which undoubtedly contributed to the reduced crowd of 810.  Yet it’s interesting to note that the attendances for our two home matches in last year’s competition (Llanelli drew 1,650) were better than those for our three away games at Moseley (563), Aberavon (712) and Ulster (739), although it should be noted that all three away games were played on Friday nights.

Bedford will be celebrating their 125th anniversary this year, having been formed one year after the Welsh, and they are our oldest rivals outside of London and Wales, the series beginning at Goldington Road on 12th November 1892.  This will be our 108th meeting and the 45th in London since their first visit almost 100 years ago, in November 1911.  In league rugby we’ve now met 23 times – only Coventry and Exeter have been more regular opponents – and Welsh have claimed only five wins, with a single draw in the opening encounter in 1987.  In the cup, of course, we have a 100% record following last year’s 26-13 win, but that’s a record which will be severely tested on Saturday.  In many ways this is a game which has the history of a local derby, one which was scheduled over the New Year holiday in the amateur era and has in recent years in National One taken place over Christmas and Easter.  There’s no animosity – we’re all old traditionalists at heart – but you sense that any win over Bedford means a great deal to the London Welsh support.  Yet given our supposedly grander objectives this season it feels like the cup competition is being belittled somewhat, and that this game has the attraction of a pre-season friendly compared to a potentially season-defining league encounter next month.  Who said professionalism was good for the game?

 

Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
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Date: 13/01/2011 09:00

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Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview- London Welsh Team
Posted by: NTF0 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2011 19:29

Team to play Bedford is as follows;

15 Aled Thomas

14 James Lewis

13 Dominic Shabbo

12 Hudson Tonga’uiha

11 Liam Gibson

10 Wes Luveniyali

9 Rob Lewis

1 Max Lahiffe

2 Rob Herring

3 Will Johnson

4 Dan Williams

5 Matt Corker

6 Ben Russell

7 Michael Hills

8 Jonathan Fisher

Impact replacements: 16. Dan George 17.Shawn Pittman 18. Jon Mills 19.Epi Taione 20.Nick Runciman 21. Jamie Lennard 22. Errie Claassens

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview- Bedford Team
Posted by: NTF0 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2011 19:32

After two league defeats on the spin, Bedford Blues have the chance to put the Championship behind them and concentrate on the British & Irish Cup and the visit of London Welsh this weekend.

The Blues have a busy week ahead of them as they face three cup games against three Welsh teams. Things get underway with the Exiles coming to Goldington Road for the second time this season before Bedford hit the road to play Neath on Wednesday and then Swansea on Friday night.

Bedford last faced London Welsh in October when the Sky cameras visited the town for the first televised Championship match of the campaign which the Blues won 19-16.

The Blues will face the Exiles without three of their backs. Duncan Taylor has a rib injury, Darryl Veenendaal has a broken thumb and Ollie Dodge is yet to recover from a hamstring injury although he should be back in action next weekend.

Speaking ahead of the London Welsh challenge Blues director of rugby Mike Rayer said: “I think that the British & Irish Cup has come at a great time for us. We’ve had a couple of very difficult games in the last fortnight and the players have had to take a long look at those performances and identify where things went wrong.

“London Welsh are always a tough nut to crack and we regularly have extremely close match-ups against them with home advantage often proving vital. Make no mistake about it this is going to be huge challenge for us and the players need to front up.

“We’ve got three games in seven days so we will be utilising every fit player in the squad.. We are getting closer to the time where we will be more consistent in our selection policy so this will give them all a chance to put a marker down No one has a right to a Blues jersey so now we want to see how each and every one of them responds to the recent setbacks.”

Rayer makes several changes from the team that started against Worcester last weekend. There is a new front row with Laurence Ovens, Joe Clark and Robin Boot starting in place of Sam Walsh, Dan Richmond and Phil Boulton. Paul Tupai starts in the second row while Alex Rae moves to blindside flanker and Will Fraser is on the openside. In the backs Edd Thrower starts at fullback with James Pritchard replacing the injured Taylor on the wing. Tom Bedford and Jake Sharp both start in place of Ian Vass and Myles Dorrian who move to the bench.

Starting line-up:

15. Edd Thrower
14. Handre Schmidt
13. Brendan Burke
12. Tom Bedford
11. James Pritchard (c)
10. Jake Sharp
9. Will Chudley

1. Laurence Ovens
2. Joe Clark
3. Robin Boot
4. Paul Tupai
5. Sean Tomes
6. Alex Rae
7. Will Fraser
8. Jackson Wray

Replacements: 16. Dan Richmond, 17. Dan Seal, 18. Chris Goodman, 19. Ben Lewitt, 20. Nick Walshe, 21. Myles Dorrian, 22. Ian Vass

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 14/01/2011 23:24

Dan George? I thought he'd left us? Or am I getting confused?

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 08:48

Quote:
dottigirl
Dan George? I thought he'd left us? Or am I getting confused?

First part of your question - he did leave but has returned until end of season.

Second part - do you really want an answer to that?!

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 13:10

Yup, confusion is Standard Operating Procedure for Dotti nowadays...

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 15:16

Bed 0-5 LW (No13)

conv kick

0-7

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 15:26

Bed 5-7 LW

conv missed

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 15:35

Bed 10- 7 LW

conv kick

12-7

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:00

Bed 15-7 LW

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:06

Bed 18-7 LW (DG)

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:09

Bed 21-7 LW

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:12

Bed 24-7 LW

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:17

Yellow card LW No 3

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:19

Bed 27-7 LW

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:26

Bed 27-12 LW (No 10)

conv kick

27-14

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:28

Bed 30-14 LW

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:34

Bed 35-14 LW

conv kick

37-14

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:38

Bed 42-14 LW

conv kick

44-14

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:41

Blackheath Welsh

Thanks but you can stop now.......

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2011 16:57

Sorry that was the final score

Re: Bedford v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/01/2011 13:29

They were fast on the break when we made mistakes, we missed two possible sitters in the first half (which we needed towards first half lead of 15+) when playing downhill, and once they got in their stride it was downhill all the way (literally).

Difficult team selections what with the game on Wednesday and then another, but we missed Aled and Lennard as place-kickers; they had the ever-dependable Pritchard.

Now, maybe, we can concentrate on the league (though the cup is not yet a 100% write-off - funny things happen, don't they Warriors).

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