News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens


By ComeOnYouSaints.com
September 19 2011

At the club’s Annual General Meeting this evening, the Northampton Saints management confirmed the plans and timeline for the development of Franklin’s Gardens.

Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens

 

At the club’s Annual General Meeting this evening, the Northampton Saints management confirmed the plans and timeline for the development of Franklin’s Gardens.

The new North Stand would turn Franklin’s Gardens into a wraparound arena and in the process complete the redevelopment of the home of the Saints which was started a decade ago.

Designed by Peter Haddon Partnership, who have had a long-standing close relationship with Northampton Saints since the early-1960s, the new North Stand would see the capacity of Franklin’s Gardens increase to just under 15,500, including 10 corporate hospitality boxes, a function suite that can seat up to 270 people, a state-of-the-art stadium control room and television studio, a ground floor bar for supporters and full facilities for disabled fans.

The development, which would also confirm Franklin’s Gardens as the best dedicated rugby facility in the country, is scheduled to take place in the summer of 2013.

Saints chairman Leon Barwell said that the confirmation of the plans marked a big step forward in the continuing development not just of Franklin’s Gardens but the club as a whole.

“The development of Franklin’s Gardens is a long-standing issue, and we believe we can now see the light at the end of the tunnel,” Barwell said. “Although we have had plans for the North Stand we have also been talking in abstracts about the timeline for the development.

“We are therefore very pleased to be in the position to confirm not just what the new North Stand will look like, but also when we intend for the development to take place. This gives us plenty of time to put together a planning application that takes into account every possible aspect and ensures that we will not be doing a rush job for the sake of it.

“The expansion of Franklin’s Gardens is crucial in the long-term development of the club and we want to make sure we do it right.”

The Saints originally announced draft plans for a new North Stand in May 2009. The plans confirmed this evening have been amended from those of just two years ago, and Barwell explained why the changes have been made.

“We believe that the plans we have announced tonight suit our needs perfectly,” he added. “They still represent the biggest single increase in capacity in the club’s history and when we are filling the seats week in, week out, we will be in the top five clubs in Europe in terms of average attendances at our regular home ground.

“We will also have the option of using stadium:mk in Milton Keynes, which will be increasing in capacity up to 32 thousand in the next 12 months and would give many more supporters the opportunity to watch the Saints than we could ever fit into Franklin’s Gardens.

“This mirrors what is now common practice across Europe and means we would fit perfectly into the template for professional rugby clubs as laid out recently by business analysts Deloitte – sustainability based on investment in our home ground together with the added profile and income resulting from matches held at a bigger stadium.

“We remain committed to the town of Northampton but we also have to ensure that the Saints does not get left behind in what is a very competitive sport. This development will give us the ability to continue our investment in the playing side of the club, including spending up to the limits of the salary cap, while continuing the sustainability of the club as a business, which after all is in the interests of everyone associated with the club.”

The increase in capacity would also see Franklin’s Gardens meet ERC’s requirements for a Heineken Cup quarter final. But Barwell also said that the development was not about just a one-off match, rather about giving more people the opportunity to watch the Saints week in, week out throughout the nine month season.

“Big matches like a Heineken Cup quarter final are great, but we have to take into account our bread and butter first, which of course means Aviva Premiership Rugby and the group stages in Europe,” he said.

“We believe that a 15 thousand stadium packed to capacity is better than 20 thousand capacity arena that is only half-full or two-thirds full. It creates a better atmosphere that the team can thrive off and means we can continue our tradition of providing a big match experience that lives long in the memory.

“Having two thousand extra people coming into Northampton to watch rugby also gives the town’s businesses a potentially larger customer base to tap into.

“The development of Franklin’s Gardens is a win-win for everyone concerned, and we look forward to progressing with the expansion of the stadium in the next two years.”

 

NOTES

- Northampton Saints remains committed to the principle of using enabling retail development as the primary funding source for the new North Stand

- The club’s management has had positive discourse with the new administration of Northampton Borough Council, and thanks the council leaders for their public support of the proposed development and funding plans

- On September 5th, 2011, business analysts Deloitte revealed Northampton Saints as being the 11th biggest club in Europe in terms of financial turnover, and 8th biggest in terms of average attendance at the club’s normal home ground. This development would enable the club to move up both lists and into the top five of the average attendance league

Computer generated images of the new North Stand are available from Northampton Saints, as is a video interview with Saints chairman, Leon Barwell.

News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
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Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 19:01

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Leon Barwell talks about the new North Stand
Posted by: Chris Wearmouth (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 18:44

video: [url][/url]

Re: Leon Barwell talks about the new North Stand
Posted by: Phil. (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 18:58

and here's me waiting 'til 7 o'clock... (Sm14)

Re: Leon Barwell talks about the new North Stand
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Date: 19/09/2011 19:02

That's what I thought Phil ;-)

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Re: Leon Barwell talks about the new North Stand
Posted by: St Marlowe (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 19:02

Thanks Chris I think we need to discuss 'editorial' type posts on here.

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Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Mark H (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 19:24

Please please please let the bar be one that families can go in, it's what's desperately missing from that end of the ground at the moment, particularly when you get the opposing team's families sitting in Z block and not being allowed to go into the West Stand bar because the kids aren't 14.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Viggo (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 20:38

While it is good news that this project looks like it could happen ! It seems a lot of money ( 6 millionish ) for less than 2,000 extra seats ! I thought I read that the capacity we wanted was around the 17,000 mark, perhaps i`m wrong.
Quite happy to go to MK for the odd game ( as long as its the ODD game )
Lets hope Rugby Lions do not overtake us in 5-10 years with there ambitious plans !

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: propajob (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 21:06

I am very happy with this news. The club has always operated on a sound financial basis, and I am sure the Board will have sorted out the numbers.

The size (given the obvious building constraints) seems perfect. I think a packed stadium is always better.

While the number at last Saturdays game were down, that was just one game. There could be a number of factors including the world cup. The club has to plan based on the last few years, and what they consider will happen over the next decade or so.

We are very lucky supporters to have such a great stadium to watch our rugby in, and in a year or two, we will have an
even better stadium.

I'll drink to that (although I will drink to most things)
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Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 22:03

It kinda makes all the fuss about the financial loss to N'ton with games going to MK look a bit foolish now that the club is saying they are taking games there by choice even when they have capacity at the Gardens.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Howlin (IP Logged)
Date: 19/09/2011 23:03

Well it all makes sense to me. And Viggo the day rugby Lions overtake us, japan will win the world cup. I doubt I'll be alive to see it.

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Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: NGSB (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 09:22

So may we all look forward to playing Tiggers each season at MK for our home league fixture ? There are those within the FG hierarchy who would be quite happy to se the club relocate - trust me on that one.

Interesting to note that the Twickenham double-header saw a large reduction in numbers this season with a very interesting editorial in the Rugby Paper on sunday as to the reasons why supporters of the London teams did not turn up as they had previously.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: OldPete (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 09:24

I think that this is good news and I am also impressed by
the sensible approach to expansion - enough to suit our immediate and medium term needs but not too much so that we are left with a half empty white elephant.

I also think that a cautious expansion is sensible as who knows what horrors may be inflicted on ( will occur to ) club rugby over the next decade .

Those who assume that the rugby brand will for ever increase and expand including at club level may be quite wrong.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 11:25

In the very small print at the end of that article it says,

"NOTES

- Northampton Saints remains committed to the principle of using enabling retail development as the primary funding source for the new North Stand."

So, are we actually any further forward? No ASDA, no stand still seems to be the case, unless anyone can convince me otherwise.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Chris Wearmouth (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 11:43

Stockers, as was said at the AGM we remain committed to enabling retail development. But we are also at the stage where the expansion has to happen regardless.

Provided all the planning goes through there will be a new stand at the start of the 2013/12 season.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 12:14

Congratulations folks - good news - for you and for the Premiership.

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Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: ChrisG (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 12:52

"2013/12 season" Chris?

Back to the future, bring back the old days!

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Stockers (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 12:58

Quote:
Chris Wearmouth
Stockers, as was said at the AGM we remain committed to enabling retail development. But we are also at the stage where the expansion has to happen regardless.
Provided all the planning goes through there will be a new stand at the start of the 2013/12 season.

Thanks Chris, but how is it going to be funded? By "all the planning" do you include planning consent for a supermarket?

Are the two projects still inextricably linked?

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Chris Wearmouth (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 15:22

Re-re-re-rewind, Chris. It's the way forward...

No, Stockers, the two projects are not inextricably linked. In the ideal world planning applications for both will be submitted at the same time. But if the situation arises where we have to submit one on our own we are prepared to do so.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: steve393 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 16:42

Chris, if the new stand is built, will it be with scope for expansion to something like the previous plan, or will that be the finished product?

Either way, I'm very pleased for the club.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Chris Wearmouth (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2011 17:55

Your question was touched on at the AGM, steve. The answer is that it becomes trickier following this development, primarily because we will then be virtually be completely landlocked by Beacon Bingo and the Life Buildings.

That said, it would be possible to extend the stadium further. But we'll be focussed on filling 15.5k week in, week out, for several years before we'll be in a position to consider that.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: SAINT_aitch (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2011 09:23

Well I think it is sound logic to go for the 15.5K limit expansion, its just a shame these things always take so long to complete.
I would refer back to my original question regarding this design though, and looking through the 3D model animation, I do not see the memorial stone there.
Our home match nearest 11/11 each year is a part of the identity of Franklins Gardens and I certainly hope we will not be losing the memorial or the respect shown at that particualr game.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2011 10:03

According to this :Auntie discusses Chiefs expansion plans a ground capacity of 20,000 is required to host HC knock out matches.

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Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Chris Wearmouth (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2011 10:54

That report is inaccurate - ERC stipulate a 15,000 capacity for quarter finals.

Re: News: Saints confirm expansion plans for Franklin's Gardens
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2011 10:57

Two reports on the BBC about ground expansion and they contradict each other. I knew it was 15,000 but the slapdash nature of auntie these days is a little worrying.

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