Crunchtime for Carnegie


Will be missed
By WW
January 21 2019

The turnaround in the form and fortunes of Yorkshire Carnegie under the guidance of Chris Stirling is there for all to see. The lads are unbeaten since the 19th of November and recorded a 3rd consecutive league win  at the RAG last weekend. On Sunday the Trailfinders hit town and, for us, it is crunchtime!

I said a couple of months ago that if the team made progress then the fixture against Ealing at the end of January was going to be a good marker of where we are as opposed to where we would like to be. Well it is the end of January and the Trailfinders will be trampling all over our "real turf" pitch on Sunday afternoon. No more ifs and buts the wolf is at the door. Can we subdue the beast or will we, as many neutrals expect, get a right spanking like the one we received at Vallis Way?

If I knew the answer to this question then I would be off down to the bookies shop to bet my mortgage on the result. Unfortunately I do not so, like everyone else, I will have to read the signs from the last 3 games and take a stab at the answer.

There is no doubt that the squad has improved. The fact that we are winning games is testament to that. Confidence is rising. With that should come a reduction in errors and an improvement in discipline.  This week Stirlo must be instilling self-belief in the players. There is talent  by the bucketful in the squad but, in my opinion, the players, with several exceptions, lack the belief in their own abilities. Dan Temm is one player who springs to mind when it comes to backing himself. This has led to some sparkling runs and a fistful of tries. Chris Elder showed the way on TV at Castle Park with a blistering run and score.

Our defence has undoubtedly improved. Two tries conceded at Doncaster and Pirates & Richmond only managed two between them. Having a settled centre pairing helps here. Can we keep the Ealing forwards at bay? If not then can we secure enough ball to give our strike runners the opportunity to score out wide? With every game it becomes increasingly likely that  we will match our capabilities with a great performance. Sunday could, in my view, be the one.

Ealing, second in the league, tend to concede lots of points but outscore the opposition. This is why I think that our defence and discipline will be key factors on Sunday. There are 5 former Carnegie players in the 44 strong Ealing squad. I wonder how many will be playing on Sunday?

Who ever turns out for Ealing will be up against a squad with everything to prove. An 80 minute performance from our boys will see us sneak home by one score.

 

Carnegie to win!

 

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Crunchtime for Carnegie
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Date: 22/01/2019 08:05

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Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: SideStep (IP Logged)
Date: 22/01/2019 09:42

Good read that WW.
Going to be a very interesting battle.

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Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 12:02

The gale force NW wind will certainly make kicking tricky, both from hand and from the tee. However our lads have managed windy conditions recently and gone on to win - let's hope they do so this afternoon.

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Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 17:39

Well we didn't quite make the crunch did we? I thought we matched Ealing for nearly all the game but made more mistakes, letting ourselves down by letting them in for an undeserved bonus point at the end.
Probably the maturity of the two sides was the difference.

Once again, all points at one end but at least this week there was a good explanation for it.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 17:57

I left feeling very disappointed tbh. The mistakes we make just kill us. 2 or 3 lost lineouts in there 22. Lost ball at the back of the ruck twice. Lost scrum after calling for it. Missed touch. When some gets a half break and arm free there is nobody within 3m of them. The game just slipped away from us in the last 25 mins with holes and missed tackles everywhere. Ealing were not great but made less mistake especially in key areas. Our set piece fails when it matters and has done going back a long while. This must be a massive concern.

Is a tough call with Jacob being on loan but at 15 his not involved enough. He was the one player to make something happen. He needs to play in the centre and get more ball for me.

Defence was good in the 1st half but we just fell away.

Not that anyone was in doubt of the improve required today certainly made it more evident.

Again, most disappointed.

Out of interest, how long has the majority of the Ealing team been together?

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 18:12

Some very soft tries conceded today. And whose idea was it to keep lofting box kicks with a wind like that? You wouldn't have thought it was second against tenth but we were still disappointing.

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Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: opuscoitus (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 18:16

Poor Decision making in 1st half, coupled with Ealing being more clinical than we were in 2nd pretty much sums it up for me

Thought till last 5 mins we were unlucky to not have at least a losing bonus point then we went to sleep let them have 2soft tries so no complaints

We need to gain more experience in game management really, we are no nearer bottom and no further away from 9th than we were this morning

Take it on chin learn to control a game and basic errors and on to the next one

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Time Trial (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 18:38

Firstly well played Ealing. They made very few errors and won almost every scrum, handling was good and they kicked well. A big physical side that hammer away until they get through.

For Carnegie it was a gutsy performance and matched physicality with Ealing for first 60 minutes. Unfortunately I have to agree with Opus, Albert and JDH the mistakes are the killers for us. Missed tackles, insane call to take a scrum when weíd lost every one up to that point, tackling the defender in the air 10m from their line allowing them to clear, god knows how many failed line-outs.

Tactically we are very formulaic. Same plays over and over. We show real potential when we look at where the gaps are and go through them. Unfortunately that surprises our team as much as their defence and support is not there. For me the plays are too slow at 9 and the box kick is used far too frequently as it just gives away possession to a structured defence. Ealing scored an easy try from a high box kick into a very strong headwind - just a poor option.

Donít mean this to be too negative- there was real commitment out there today and the defensive set before half time was outstanding. Just lots of work still to do.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 19:02

Match report from the offie:

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Wishful thinking: Carnegie 29 Ealing 7!



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Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Time Trial (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 19:35

Forgot to say the Carnegie try was outstanding! Umanga and Te Rure combined superbly to exploit the broken field. Best score of the game by a long shot. Awesome. Can we have some more of that please

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 19:48

Yes it was a good try. Nearly matched by elder the jade at the end.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 20:29

We are clearly a team that can score tries, off-loads and line breaks are there to be seen. Similarly our defence and physicality are better than I have ever seen since we were in the Championship.

Just maturity, game management and perhaps a bit of luck, missing?

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 20:49

Quote:
almostatyke
We are clearly a team that can score tries, off-loads and line breaks are there to be seen. Similarly our defence and physicality are better than I have ever seen since we were in the Championship.
Just maturity, game management and perhaps a bit of luck, missing?

Almo, if that is the case, how come we are the lowest points scoring team in the Championship, we have the second worst defence in terms of points conceded, and we are in the lowest position we have been in apart from the last few weeks. Have I missed something?

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Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 20:56

Hi Hax, we now have a completely different team to the budget-restricted one that started this season and historical statistics due not represent the current team. We have won 7 out of the last 8 games.

It would be great if you could come down and see with your own eyes, but not the cup match next week, as I think we will use it to maximise the England-representative players, so that we have more headroom in future games in the month.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 21:38

I don't think it's luck. Just when it matters we cannot nail it.
The defence and hits 1st half and for some of the 2nd were fantastic. But the mistakes just kill us. As a fan it's massively frustrating so the team must feel it 10 fold.

I hope we can turn that corner and give ourselves a chance against the better teams.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 21:41

Hax only posts when the result is a poor one....

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 27/01/2019 21:59

Haxby is correct when referring to our current position in the league and the points we concede.
I think you need to be reminded Almost that, as far as I am aware, the team that started the season was more or less the team that finished last season. So where did matters go wrong? For one the decision by the board not to spend money and hope for the best, was a serious mistake, and it makes me wonder if the board are in the game for cudos, or in it to try and make something happen positively.
Yes, we have got better since the latest contingent came in. The new imports however, are here not for our benefit, they are here to be in the shop window. So it was bound to happen that things improved.
However, todays game was disappointing in that, whilst we battled hard in the first half, clearly in the second half we were rubbish! Error strewn, bad decision making, poor execution of set moves...
Yes, we have scraped 8 wins previous to this. But in those 8 wins, how many were down to good fortune. How many games have we played for the full 80 minutes.
It seems to me that the fitness of the players leaves a lot to be desired, It also looks like our discipline has gone to pot, also we have lost our way in the basics of the game.
Do doubt the board and the few fans the club have left are hoping for a Fater Chistmas to come alon and donate us a place in the Premiership. I hope that does not happen because we simply do not deserve to be amongst the "elite". That has to be earned, in my view.
I did not have high expectations for todays game and at half time I had thought we could sneak it. However what I did not expect was that we would capitulate in the second half. Very poor!

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: opuscoitus (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2019 07:35

Apart from Beech, Mayhew, Whetton, Irvine, Capps, mccoll, Davies, West, plus Jimmy Lowes yes your absolutely right it was the same team that finished last season

Plus add Mayhew,Beck,Bainbridge,Cope, all getting injured within 1st couple of weeks of season starting


Young kids thrown in plus with a squad at bare bones so contact in training wasnít match conditions in case we lost any more,

The decision to keep powder dry until next season was a brave one as we could not compete with LI this year, double our money next year and have a crack at it, for 60/70 mins we competed with a team which is spending way above what a club of their size should be and who are sitting 2nd in League way behind Irish another reason to believe the clubs decision was the right one, Ealing were rattled in spells yesterday and their relief at getting the bonus point score showed how much it meant in a tough tight game,



The team are giving it their all thatís clear, they have hauled us up to 10th we were never going to go rest of season unbeaten it is what it is, the club laid out their plan for next season to have a bloody good go at it, games like yesterday will only show where we are and where we need to go


And before you say yet again Iím looking at it through rose tinted glasses Bobba you have your opinion as does Hax I have mine,

Just might need to do a little research into the team that finished last year and started this if thatís your opening Gambit

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2019 10:18

Quote:
JDH
Hax only posts when the result is a poor one....
With respect, I'm sure Haxby would not want to defend himself here, so I will. There are few, if any, supporters who have spent so much time and effort over many years following, supporting and promoting the Club as Haxby has done. So I think it unfair to have this criticism levelled against him. He has an opinion and is entitled to express it, as have you!

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2019 10:46

Opus, I you read my post correctly, I did say "as far as I am aware, the team that started the season was more or less". I'm pleased that you have corrected me statistically and I bow to your superior knowledge.

To say that we would not compete with London Irish this season is defeatist and is in my opinion wrong. The League is a competition and, frankly, I have never heard of any team giving up the ghost at the starting block. Not to strengthen, was a mistake and, in my view, a bad error of judgement.

What happens next season? Whoever comes down from the Premiership, provided the Premiership is not ring fenced in the meantime, will no doubt have the usual cash advantage normally associated with a relegated club plus, presumably, extra in that they will have received in the new money that has come into the game. Do the Board say, again, Oh dear, we can't compete, we will have a go next year, or the one after, or the one beyond that ad infinitum?

All of that does not excuse the performances on the field of play, I do not know what the answer to that is. It is something that needs to be fixed. Rapidly.

On Saturday, I watched Huddersfield play at home. It was a pleasure to watch. In awful conditions, particularly in the second half, the play was not error strewn, yes there were the mistakes, but not at the level we saw on Sunday. If a lower league Club can produce quality Rugby, why can't we? After all, it's their job to do so.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: WPL (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2019 11:23

I have to admit before I went yesterday I wasnít expecting much from the game, come halftime I was hoping that we could actually get something, maybe dare I say even a win.

A couple of mistakes leading to tries put us on the back foot then we were chasing the game. The 1st half was intense, 2nd half less so. Things can be improved and Iím sure they will.

We have to remember including yesterdayís game we have the top 4 in 5 league games Ė Nottingham (currently 6th) away is the other one, itís a tough run and we must not be disheartened if we lose a few games, these are well established teams, our team essentially came together in November. Itíll be interesting to see how the league lies in a few weeks time, will Hartpury still be far adrift or will it be a lot closer; Will we have got some good results who knows.

For those that said we have scrapped results over the run of 8ÖI disagree, against Pirates I felt comfortable throughout the game and feedback from people who were at Richmond says it was a game of 2 halves and we were really impressive in the 2nd. Appreciate Iíve not been to any others (other than Donny at home in the cup, which was too early in the changes)

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2019 12:52

I don't doubt haxs previous commitment. I am just going on the last few months posts.

We are getting better slowly. But I agree it's a monumental ask to get a squad together to compete against any prem side coming down. There needs to be more additions this season to bed in for next. That is if we keep the current format.

Re: Crunchtime for Carnegie
Posted by: opuscoitus (IP Logged)
Date: 28/01/2019 17:49

Quote:
Bobba
Opus, I you read my post correctly, I did say "as far as I am aware, the team that started the season was more or less". I'm pleased that you have corrected me statistically and I bow to your superior knowledge.
To say that we would not compete with London Irish this season is defeatist and is in my opinion wrong. The League is a competition and, frankly, I have never heard of any team giving up the ghost at the starting block. Not to strengthen, was a mistake and, in my view, a bad error of judgement.

What happens next season? Whoever comes down from the Premiership, provided the Premiership is not ring fenced in the meantime, will no doubt have the usual cash advantage normally associated with a relegated club plus, presumably, extra in that they will have received in the new money that has come into the game. Do the Board say, again, Oh dear, we can't compete, we will have a go next year, or the one after, or the one beyond that ad infinitum?

All of that does not excuse the performances on the field of play, I do not know what the answer to that is. It is something that needs to be fixed. Rapidly.

On Saturday, I watched Huddersfield play at home. It was a pleasure to watch. In awful conditions, particularly in the second half, the play was not error strewn, yes there were the mistakes, but not at the level we saw on Sunday. If a lower league Club can produce quality Rugby, why can't we? After all, it's their job to do so.



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Not superior knowledge Bobba just a quick look on the internet. Iím as thick as mince and it didnít take me long

Opinions are great as not many are alike,
Iíve been following since the Inception of Yorkshire Carnegie I pay my season ticket money every year and enjoy going to watch Championship rugby, and therefore have an opinion

At the beginning of this year it wasnít pretty but a meeting was called and it was explained to us what the board had decided, I agreed with their decision and still do, I went to Headingley yesterday with Mrs Opus and Little Miss Opus who last came at beginning of season, as we walked back to the car My daughter who is 15 and a keen rugby player herself said, ďwell dad they may have lost but it was a lot better than when I came last time and we won (Richmond), the missus who followed me when I played all over and has watched games far and wide agreed and said they are definitely going in right direction,

2 more opinions which are positive about the direction the club are going, not to everyoneís liking and 8 wins scraped is a very unfair,Iíd take 22 games like that over a season with same results as that would probably mean we are promoted....isnít that what everyone wants?

It is what it is and again everyone is entitled to think what they want but itís about the here and now, not way back when when we were tykes and black sheep was threpunce a pint, and we threw the ball about and remember Twickenham and the good old days, if it is then enjoy Huddersfield and whichever club you decide to watch as your entitled to do just think the huffing and puffing when we lose a game is just getting a little stale now......(just my opinion)

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