The beat goes on.


Escaped
By WW
June 2 2019

After entering our summer of discontent very little has changed, for better or worse, for Carnegie fans anxiously waiting for news of the club's future.  The news from the media department at the Emerald Stadium has been par for the course - zilch.

As things stand we are no wiser as to the viability of the club with regards to competing in the Championship next season. Never before (well not that often) have we gone into pre-season without a coach/ DoR or less than 10 players. However this looks the likely scenario at the Emerald Stadium. As things stand there is no news regarding who will be at the helm next season. Scott Barrow, who might have been in contention, appears to know no more than the readers of this messageboard.

Phil Daly, the club's mouthpiece has apparently lost the "log in to Carnegie" button on his computer except when he announced the departure of yet another home-grown talent to a Premiership club. Mrs MCGeechan has not been tweeting recently so information about our future is hard to find. Cue the Rugby Paper's very own grim reaper, Jon Newcombe whose use of the word oblivion cheers me up no end.

Whilst I have gotten  used to the lack of information from the club at this time of the year in the past, I now find myself  sliding into the realms of despair over the deafening silence concerning just how we are going to put a squad together. The possibility of a white knight stepping in with a barrow load of cash diminishes as each day goes by. The probability of the club not being in the Championship in September has increased substantially.

Supporting Leeds Tykes has always been a roller coaster ride. with frequent highs and lows. After the last 8 years of lows and lowers the carriage appears to be about to leave the tracks.

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The beat goes on.
Posted by: TykesRugby.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2019 06:58

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Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Feeding (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2019 08:33

A fair summary.I actually feel sorry for Richmond,who essentially played by the rules and lost,whilst both Hartpury and Jersey managed somehow to survive.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2019 10:13


Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2019 16:50

Quote:
JDH1
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/other-sport/troubled-yorkshire-carnegie-in-critical-condition-admits-gary-hetherington-1-9799842

Now I am even more depressed.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 03/06/2019 17:06

03/06/2019

Yorkshire Carnegie Chief Executive Gary Hetherington has issued the following update on the club's current situation.

"The Leeds RUFC Board of Sir Ian McGeechan, Prof Paul Smith, Rob Oates and myself are responsible for the running of Yorkshire Carnegie and for making major decisions on the Clubs’ future and we are now awaiting a decision from the Shareholders of Yorkshire Tykes RUFC, who provide the funds to enable LRUFC to operate, before a further announcement can be made.

"But, it is fair to say the Club is in a critical position having lost its major source of funding and the Board is now working closely with the RFU and YTRUFC Shareholders to manage our current predicament and hopefully plot a way forward.”

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Feeding (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2019 08:08

Strikes me as a very weak Board - Hetherington,McGeechan,Oates and Smith.

Hetherington,no professional qualifications as far as I'm aware but done a reasonable job as a figure head for Caddick at the Rhinos.

MCGeechan,Union knowledge,again no qualifications,I believe may have worked for a few years for one of the Scottish companies when he managed/coached Scotland?

Basically,have one or the other as a figure head and/or for their rugby background.

Oates,an employee of Hetherington,not sure of any qualifications,perhaps marketing? Unsuitable for Board level appointment?

Smith,an academic,with an interest in rugby.

Seems exceptionally weak group to me.Never known a Board without either a Chartered Accountant or highly qualified solicitor/barrister and more usually both.Also usually a very successful businessman/entrapeneur.Just strikes me as a very weak group of individuals from a business point of view.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Yorki (IP Logged)
Date: 04/06/2019 17:11

Rob Oates sold beer for Tetley's to Headingly then moved into commercial directors role before that he sold cars. Hardcore Leeds Rhino's fan.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: JohnRich (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2019 08:34

Who are the shareholders of Leeds Tykes RUFC please ?

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2019 08:59

The parent company is actually called Yorkshire Tykes Limited. Its shareholders are:

David Dockray
Keith Howard
Michael Shotton
Anthony Snowdon
Jonathan Wright
Howard Illingworth
John Swarbrick
Mark Smith
Keith Mutimer
Kevin Scott

Since the last confirmation statement (previously known as an annual return) in November additional shares have been issued and it seems that these have wholly or mainly been subscribed for by Keith Howard and Jon Wright, who have now been declared as persons with significant control, meaning they each own 25% or more of the total shares in issue.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2019 17:38

Quote:
Feeding
MCGeechan,Union knowledge,again no qualifications,I believe may have worked for a few years for one of the Scottish companies when he managed/coached Scotland?

Geech was a teacher at Fir Tree (primary or Middle) school in Moortown prior to turning professional. I think he did then also have some kind of job with a Scottish financial institution.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Dr Zaius (IP Logged)
Date: 05/06/2019 22:09

Quote:
Feeding
Seems exceptionally weak group to me.Never known a Board without either a Chartered Accountant or highly qualified solicitor/barrister and more usually both.Also usually a very successful businessman/entrapeneur.Just strikes me as a very weak group of individuals from a business point of view.
I've seen lots - companies with turnovers of less than £10m don't have corporate structures; the board members are experts in their respective fields. Hetherington is one of the smartest CEO's in RL and his negotiating had almost single handedly kept Carnegie going for the past decade with the various Leeds Met/Carnegie deals.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2019 06:54

Quote:
Dr Zaius
..I've seen lots - ... Hetherington is one of the smartest CEO's in RL and his negotiating had almost single handedly kept Carnegie going for the past decade with the various Leeds Met/Carnegie deals.

So it has been that precarious for 10 years then Doc?

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Tower (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2019 11:46

Quote:
Dr Zaius
Quote:
Feeding
Seems exceptionally weak group to me.Never known a Board without either a Chartered Accountant or highly qualified solicitor/barrister and more usually both.Also usually a very successful businessman/entrapeneur.Just strikes me as a very weak group of individuals from a business point of view.
I've seen lots - companies with turnovers of less than £10m don't have corporate structures; the board members are experts in their respective fields. Hetherington is one of the smartest CEO's in RL and his negotiating had almost single handedly kept Carnegie going for the past decade with the various Leeds Met/Carnegie deals.


Agree with this. Hetherington is one of the smartest.



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Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: TykeGeorge (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2019 17:50

He was shamed into putting out a further statement on the 3rd after lots of stuff being said in various media sources. Not that it added much.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/06/2019 21:45

I am sure the group that took it over don't want to be responsible for killing the club.

Who would take part time right now...

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Dr Zaius (IP Logged)
Date: 07/06/2019 23:09

Quote:
Wildwillie
Quote:
Dr Zaius
..I've seen lots - ... Hetherington is one of the smartest CEO's in RL and his negotiating had almost single handedly kept Carnegie going for the past decade with the various Leeds Met/Carnegie deals.

So it has been that precarious for 10 years then Doc?
The club has never been a profitable venture. It relied on handouts in the millions from Caddick, then support in the millions from Carnegie and finally hundreds of thousands if not millions from the most recent investors.
It's amazing the club has survived as long as it has to be honest but the chickens may finally be coming home to roost.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 08/06/2019 10:28

Quote:
Wildwillie

So it has been that precarious for 10 years then Doc?The club has never been a profitable venture. It relied on handouts in the millions from Caddick, then support in the millions from Carnegie and finally hundreds of thousands if not millions from the most recent investors.

It's several millions.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/06/2019 20:29

Thanks for your comments the good doctor. Much appreciated.
I am not aware of any rugby club that is truly profitable without some benefactor picking up the bills in the background.

For me the competition for sponsors/benefactors, of the Rhinos and Leeds United, is just too much to bear.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Teddy1981 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2019 13:48

Quote:
Feeding
A fair summary.I actually feel sorry for Richmond,who essentially played by the rules and lost,whilst both Hartpury and Jersey managed somehow to survive.

Any particular reason you brought Jersey into this?

They addressed their financial shortfall head on, sold their assets to not go under and have cut their cloth accordingly.

#Jeeersey

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2019 15:30

Hi Teddy, I thought the Jersey government also makes payments to you?

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Teddy1981 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2019 16:09

Quote:
almostatyke
Hi Teddy, I thought the Jersey government also makes payments to you?

The Tourism Board provide grants to Jersey Reds (previously the Jersey Rugby Association) as the return on investment is huge for tourism in the island.

Assistant Treasury Minister Statement

#Jeeersey

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: TykeGeorge (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2019 16:35

Out of interest the cost of a team going over to Jersey for their league fixture must be significant - a party of say 30 with overnight stay. Do the clubs have to find all of this out of their normal budget?

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 10/06/2019 17:47

Quote:
TykeGeorge
Out of interest the cost of a team going over to Jersey for their league fixture must be significant - a party of say 30 with overnight stay. Do the clubs have to find all of this out of their normal budget?

Yes they do I think, but only once per season. Jersey have to do it 11 times.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2019 22:19

I think travelling expenses are part of the rfu monies. Not sure if Jersey get more of the rfu grant than others?

Re: The beat goes on.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/06/2019 23:55

Quote:
almostatyke
I think travelling expenses are part of the rfu monies. Not sure if Jersey get more of the rfu grant than others?
.
I can tell you definitely Almo, they do not. We asked their chairman when we were over there , and he was adamant they got no favours whatsoever.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

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