Tick tock.


Player?
By WW
June 24 2019

This weekend the fixtures were announced for the Championship next season. Tykes fans will be pleased to know that we start with a home game against Bedford.

All ex-players who support Yorkshire Carnegie will be sat by the phone awaiting a call up from the soon-to-be-announced director of rugby to make one in with the non-existent squad currently not going through pre-season in readiness for the Bedford fixture.

I am not the only one who is wondering just how we are going to fulfill the fixtures that have been announced. Are we going to send out the under 18's? Have we arranged for 23 dual reg players who will turn up at Headingley on matchdays and compete? I have no idea. Anything is possible including the club announcing that it cannot  get a squad together (at some point in the next 8 weeks)

In the meantime the clock is ticking!

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Tick tock.
Posted by: TykesRugby.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 18:23

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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 19:16

Thanks for writing this story WW and getting the messageboard back alive again after this afternoon's blackout.

I note on the Harrogate website, the club has denied that David Doherty has applied for a coaching position at Carnegie.

Our only hope is that there is something going on, under cover, with regard to coach and players, but even so it is a desperate hope.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 19:39

I noticed that Nick Mayhew posted on the Carnegie Facebook page inquiring when pre-season is due to start? (Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 20:03

I meant to ask who the player pictured is - can't recall him. Perhaps he does rugby player kaioke?

Also sorry about my past reference to your cheap boots, you're a saint WW!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: corporalcarrot (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2019 09:59

Keep the faith lads. I hope you can make it work out well and I can look forward to watching matches in the South Stand with the drum beating. All the best CC

Don't kick it pick it up and GO FORWARD

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2019 18:08

Thanks for your kind words CC.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Camquin (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2019 21:47

The alternatives appear to be:

- a Leeds side with whoever they can beg,steal or borrow.

- a Richmond side bereft of some of their best players but with a
huge chip on their shoulder / point to prove.

- no game.

At the moment I do not see a good solution. The Leeds fans seem to have been sold a pup. Richmond shafted and rugby short changed.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 08:04

Quote:
Camquin
The alternatives appear to be:
- a Leeds side with whoever they can beg,steal or borrow.

- a Richmond side bereft of some of their best players but with a
huge chip on their shoulder / point to prove.

- no game.

At the moment I do not see a good solution. The Leeds fans seem to have been sold a pup. Richmond shafted and rugby short changed.

Summed up in 65 words. (Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 09:14

Same as last year except it was 30 full time pros and 4 coaches who got us to the bottom of the league table by Christmas. Might be easier this year

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 10:06

I like the way you think!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 11:39

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You guys are always welcome to join as it would be good to replicate the SN ability of switching between forums but on a site that isn't as obtrusive and is a lot more user friendly

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Camquin (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 16:36

There was a rumour from rotherhamtillidie on rolling maul that the CVA meeting is tomorrow and creditors are being offered 15p in the pound.

I do not have any other evidence for this.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 19:27

Sad thing is our people get snapped up by the better sides in the prem etc. Imagine what we go do with our house in order and a bit of cash

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 09:21

Quote:
Camquin
There was a rumour from rotherhamtillidie on rolling maul that the CVA meeting is tomorrow and creditors are being offered 15p in the pound.
I do not have any other evidence for this.

Jon Newcombe tweeted this - he's been spot on with everything so far... even if he does seem to relish our demise IMHO.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: AnIdiotAbroad (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 10:11

Seems we have some decent CVA and insider knowledge which helps to understand recent developments. Any ideas if the 15p in the £ also includes any Director or other loans or have they been protected/accounted for in a different way? Ask this as I saw somewhere the main CVA creditors are players which sounds odd bearing in mind published accounts and statements re stakeholder loans

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 11:30

Some of the previous information made public indicated that some shareholder/director loans were to be novated, ie taken on by a different party. I suspect that Keith Howard and Jon Wright are doing this for some of those who have a lesser exposure and don't want to take the haircut.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: oopnorth (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 15:57

I think I know what that means...........

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 17:24

Albert, please can you explain what has gone on, in simple terms, once the details emerge?

If shareholder/directors loans are part of the Creditors then they could "overwhelm" the true creditors (i.e. players) and achieve a 75% acceptance of a CVA at say 1 pence in the pound and then just carry on? Or am I being too cynical?

The shareholders/directors are not expecting to get the loans back anyway?


(Sm105)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:15

As it is a private company we may never get to know the details of the agreement reached, though a little will be seen once the accounts are finally published. The announcement does say that the deal was approved by all relevant creditors.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:30

Agreed this is not a "victimless" solution. However if the players have managed to get contracts elsewhere at approaching 85% of the salary they would have got with Carnegie, then perhaps only pride is hurt.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: NOM (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:39

Seriously? Future contracts will not include back pay from a former club!

Perhaps if your wages were offered at 15p in the pound at the end of the month you would have a little more understanding of what this gross financial mismanagement means to those affected? a’club’ means ‘community’ and that means people - whilst the board may be merciless businessmen I would hope supporters would show more compassion.

That aside the RFU have yet to pass judgement on this outcome so whilst survival is something to be grateful for the future is far from assured.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:47

The players were paid in full last season, the creditor element is the unpaid promise of next season's employment for the 8 who had ongoing contracts but now have alternative employment.


Not nice but in business bad debts occur and in rugby broken promises/contracts are unfortunately a part of life as a professional sportsperson. If there was 100% acceptance of the agreement, and the rfu have been informed of what was happening all along, then surely we should now just look to the future?


Still a pretty impossible task to avoid relegation next season without negative sniping IMHO.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 19:06

I thought relegation was scrapped next season?

Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 19:06

I thought relegation was scrapped next season?

Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 19:18

We will still have near-Premiership training facilities so I would think that we could.
Other Championship clubs who are sort of between full and part time (e.g. Bedford) seem to get loads of good quality D/R players.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 21:37

I am sure someone (not sure who) has been on the blower to wasps bath etc to get some guys in

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 23:44

Quote:
JDH1
I thought relegation was scrapped next season?
Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Borrow!!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 13:13

Apart from Sam Wolstenholme not one player from last year's squad has moved to a premiership team.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 13:37

Oliver fox.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 14:01

Stand corrected

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 15:07

Richard Beck (he was a player in last year's squad!!)

Splitting hairs.

(Sm102)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: opuscoitus (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 16:32

Most were under contract till it hit the fan, most prem clubs do business early doors certainly before season ends,

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 16:32

Should have kept it to myself

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:24

Quote:
Billy ba
Should have kept it to myself

Only having a bit of fun, Pete! (Sm100)

But I do think you have made a serious point in that we only had 8 players contracted to next season, most of these being the antipodean recruits. Possibly most of the others were enjoying the season and wanting or expecting another contract for next year. But it does show that Premiership clubs did not see any of our players, other than Foxy, as standout stars for the future that they wanted to invest in. We had some good players but probably nobody noticably better than the Premiership clubs' existing academy players.


The other star for the future we did see was Jacob Umuga, on loan from Wasps, and I think he has been given a Premiership Team contract by Wasps for next year.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:44

😃😃😃 . Just trying to make a point that perhaps we needed a change. We've had some players now for 5 or 6 seasons others not as long but we are still a championship club and not a good one at that. We may remain so for the foreseeable future but we weren't going anywhere. I hope all the players do well st their new clubs and I'm sure they will. To be blunt we were going nowhere and after all this upheaval nothings change. P.S. When do season tickets go on sale?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:50

Quote:
Billy ba
P.S. When do season tickets go on sale?


I admire your keenness! Remember that if you do buy a season ticket and the club do not see the season out, you won't even get 15% of its value back.


I will wait until we have a coach and at least a couple of players before thinking of buying any sort of ticket.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:54

I don't expect too much for my money anyway

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 18:24

I don't mind paying the same money for my season tickets. They were too cheap imo anyway.

You pay more at donny to get in

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 18:29

Talks moved from playing at West Park to season tickets. We'll be criticising the beer before long

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 21:44

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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 21:59

I am quite excited for some better news coming in now.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 16:18

Well another week has gone by and there has not even been the hint of a rumour of incoming players. Tick tock!

(Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Beeston Lion (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 19:16

Would have thought possible candidates were lined up prior to administrative requirements being pursued. Cannot see we have got this far with nothing pencilled in for confirmation following successful conclusion of CVA.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 20:34

Quote:
Beeston Lion
Would have thought possible candidates were lined up prior to administrative requirements being pursued. Cannot see we have got this far with nothing pencilled in for confirmation following successful conclusion of CVA.

Lining up candidates is one thing. Coaching them into a fit, cohesive unit is another matter altogether. It is also something that cannot be done overnight. Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tricolour (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 21:25

It will be interesting to see how Leeds fair against Nottingham in the 1st round of the cup, that is if they still exist!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Competitive Dad (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:28

Wondering how the 2nd week of pre season has gone.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:40

Might be down at Morrisons tomorrow, will try to peer over the fence.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Madtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:43

They're all training at Sale Sharks..

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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:47

The word on the street Albert is that the Carnegie section of Kirkstall has been converted into a canteen for Rhinos. So you are probably wasting your time.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 06:50

Quote:
Madtyke
They're all training at Sale Sharks..

As time goes by this theory gains more credence. (Sm124)

Tick tock.



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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 08:46

Who's training ?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 15:56

Sale

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 19:03

Good to see that the new "off field range" advertised on the offy is back to our traditional blue and yellow (amber?) but will we ever get to see the official "on field" kit? It is stated to be "coming soon". !!!!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2019 10:45

Quote:
Wildwillie
Well another week has gone by and there has not even been the hint of a rumour of incoming players. Tick tock!
(Sm124)

Tick tock.

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