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So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: daktari (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 17:23

Or was he already injured when they played him, either way England and Manu`s welfare seem to be mutually incompatible.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: odd-shaped vagaries (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 17:38

One expensive luxury



The referee is the final arbitrary

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: tigerburnie (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 17:50

I think the fact that England had an extra centre on the bench might give us a clue there.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Captain Darling (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 18:15

Manu has been managing a relatively minor recurrence of his groin problem. Tigers are good at managing it. England, especially under Jones, have a less favourable reputation for managing players. Hopefully it's not now a major recurrence of that groin problem.

Earlier this year Blackadder was furious about Cokanasiga coming back from the RWC with a miss identified knee issue that he shouldn't have been playing on.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 18:43

If Manu was selected in the match day squad with an injury, that is negligent. If 2 centres were selected on the bench in recognition of this, it is a disgrace

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Tom Paine (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 18:53

Yep. Hope the England quack has medical negligence insurance. On the bright side (for us) it probably means that Manu won't be figuring in the rest of the 6 Nations which will give his groin time to heal. I worry about his future; groin injuries have ended the careers of many players in rugby and football.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 19:05

Quote:
Stopsy
If Manu was selected in the match day squad with an injury, that is negligent. If 2 centres were selected on the bench in recognition of this, it is a disgrace

Cant argue, but all disposables for Jones as he has demonstrated many times, imv

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Dreadnought (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 19:28

Surely Manu given his horrendous injury record has the right to declare himself unfit? Knowing Manu was carrying an injury it seems incompatible with Englands responsibility for player welfare.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: GT1 (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 19:33

I find it ridiculous to say England would pick let alone start a player no matter how important with a bad groin injury!
He has trained for 2 weeks & done the warm up without being replaced so he's damaged it during the match!
Bad news for him & England & maybe us but time is on our side with him!
England will struggle again next week unless this weeks finishers start & we add a genuine 8 + a centre who can break the gain line!
Time to pick one 10 & proper centres & surely find a new 9 imho!!

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 19:48

Ironically, that was Ben's best game at 9 in a while.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 21:27

Quote:
Brownian Motion
Ironically, that was Ben's best game at 9 in a while.

Since the RWC semi final then.



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Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 02 February, 2020 23:36

Yes indeed!

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: GreenandGold22 (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 00:31

Quote:
Brownian Motion
Ironically, that was Ben's best game at 9 in a while.

Missed a tackle for their 1st try and didnt lay a hand on their 9 for the 3rd try

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: RushdenTiger (KT at work) (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 09:45

Thought he was ordinary at best to be honest BUT the knock-on effect of a lightweight non-ball carrying No 8 cannot be underestimated re BY's overall performance.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 09:55

Sinckler left a massive dog leg for their first try that Youngs did well to even make an attempted tackle. No idea on the third though, I'd need to see it again.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Elder (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 11:28

Thought Ben looked like yesterday’s man compared to his opposite number.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 11:45

The joys of your forwards giving you an armchair ride.

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 12:04

Ben was pretty good yesterday behind a malfunctioning pack and without any carriers in the back division. He, arguably, missed a tackle fir the first try but he was covering a hole he shouldn't have been and fir the 3rd iirc he got stepped. And as we all know that is only about the defender and nothing to do with the quality of the attacker.

Honestly the witch hunt from some on here is becoming beyond parody.



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Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: ttbb (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 16:54

England now have no ball carriers.

Gengie at 8?

Re: So have England broken Manu again
Posted by: Captain Darling (IP Logged)
Date: 03 February, 2020 17:37

Genge, Cowan-Dickie and Lawes carried well on Sunday. Sinckler, George and Itoje had pish games of varying degrees but are good carriers. Earl is cracking carrier as well.

If we actually pick a number 8, have our outstanding flankers playing flanker and Lawes in the row then the pack looks in good health.

Without Manu, Cokanasiga and Nowell the backs lack carriers though.

Thorley or Watson onto the wing for Scotland to offer more physicality there.

Joseph hasn't looked the same player since his ankle injury. If Manu is out Jones might even consider Daly in his natural position at 13.

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