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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: penguin (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2020 19:05

Having. CEO with experience in a form of Elite sport makes sense and is normal as they understand and have connections in the relevant areas of the business? You are unlikely to find the CEO of a top sports organisation coming from a fast food giant? Yes coming from within is normal and correct with the correct pathway and succession but we are failing?? And the current management are part of the problem they need a shake up not a friendly face.

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Ayerzawannabe (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2020 19:48

I'm not saying it isn't normal.

Although
"You are unlikely to find the CEO of a top sports organisation coming from a fast food giant?"
A few premier league clubs have CEO's who came from
Video Games
Mobile Phone companies
to name a couple.

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2020 20:13

Quote:
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2. Pinchen has been COO of the club for 6 year now basically the same time as Cohen was under DC.
So I fail to get the "At least".


Thought she was promoted to COO from Commercial Director less than a year ago?



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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: jojo (IP Logged)
Date: 16 May, 2020 23:05

What people tend to forget is that at the time when we were waiting for Mauger our coaching team was down to the bare bones. Cockers was coaching forwards and backs with little help. We the fans were calling for additional coaching resources to be put in place to help Cockers, it never came and I put the blame firmly at Cohens door for that and IMO that was the point at which we started going downhill.
I can't forgive Cohen for that and then when Mauger did arrive no one appeared to know who was actually in charge of running the team. As CEO Cohen was in charge of the coaching set up and he should have spelled out the roles of the two, which we never saw any evidence of.

Of course that is in my opinion and how I remember things.

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 07:20

With so many people at the club involved in, and having major influence over, the circumstances you describe, I just can't see how you can lay 100% of the blame for that particular circus at SC's door? But if that is how you see it then fair enough.

A similar coaching set up worked previously with Cockers and MOC so maybe Mauger himself contributed to the problems?



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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: johnthegrif (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 11:53

I think a lot of posters on this message board must have a background in local government or the civil service as for any perceived problem they seem to suggest another tier of management. Tigers as a business in my opinion has to look for savings as we escape the current situation.
I don't know why Simon has gone but with the various levels of management under him is it necessary to replace him with another person, particularly when there is the level of big business experience on our largely new Board of Directors available for decision making. We need someone competent to oversee day to day affairs and in her 17 year rapid rise Andrea has shown that she is at least that, personally I believe she is much more and will be able to take on most of Simon's duties whilst delegating some of her current responsibilities to existing personnel.

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 12:00

Good points John. Indeed, the only remaining Executive Director apart from her has long and vast International business experience.

Is this concept of the BoD having input into the big and important business decisions at Tigers a new or normal one?



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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 12:38

Quote:
johnthegrif
I think a lot of posters on this message board must have a background in local government or the civil service as for any perceived problem they seem to suggest another tier of management. Tigers as a business in my opinion has to look for savings as we escape the current situation.
I don't know why Simon has gone but with the various levels of management under him is it necessary to replace him with another person, particularly when there is the level of big business experience on our largely new Board of Directors available for decision making. We need someone competent to oversee day to day affairs and in her 17 year rapid rise Andrea has shown that she is at least that, personally I believe she is much more and will be able to take on most of Simon's duties whilst delegating some of her current responsibilities to existing personnel.

There speaks someone who has never worked in the civil service. I no no-one who has who believes in adding tiers of management. Most of us are constantly arguing for less.



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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: penguin (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 13:09

Yorkie totally agree

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: SimonG19 (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 14:19

Quote:
Rich W
Quote:
johnthegrif
I think a lot of posters on this message board must have a background in local government or the civil service as for any perceived problem they seem to suggest another tier of management. Tigers as a business in my opinion has to look for savings as we escape the current situation.
I don't know why Simon has gone but with the various levels of management under him is it necessary to replace him with another person, particularly when there is the level of big business experience on our largely new Board of Directors available for decision making. We need someone competent to oversee day to day affairs and in her 17 year rapid rise Andrea has shown that she is at least that, personally I believe she is much more and will be able to take on most of Simon's duties whilst delegating some of her current responsibilities to existing personnel.

There speaks someone who has never worked in the civil service. I no no-one who has who believes in adding tiers of management. Most of us are constantly arguing for less.

As someone who worked briefly in local government I totally agree.

Of course I wasn't "working" in one of the many tiers of management.

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Brownian Motion (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 15:03

Quote:
Rich W
There speaks someone who has never worked in the civil service. I no no-one who has who believes in adding tiers of management. Most of us are constantly arguing for less.

This. Plus of course, some areas are better than others, especially at a local level. Essex are straightforward to deal with; Norfolk, less so. Cambridgeshire are a ball-ache.

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: odd-shaped vagaries (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 21:01

As a former civil servant I agree wholeheartedly of John le Griffe's assessment of the ethos, but it is fifty years since I left

Whatever might have changed in the interim, however, his hypothesis stands



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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 22:09

I can't comment about local government, but in the 30 years of my experience, the addition of tiers of management has been solely down to political intervention with every successive junior minister coming up with their latest stupid wheeze in order, not to improve operations but to make themselves a name. Invariably they last a year and then the next one drops the last lot of changes to start their own, introducing their own new bunch of chiefs while shedding more Indians.

If you can find a single civil servant who thinks this works or makes their lives easier I'll be amazed.



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Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 17 May, 2020 22:31

Well there has to be somewhere to employ the ex: miners, ship builders, steel workers, etc

Re: Simon Cohen gone...
Posted by: IDLETIMES (IP Logged)
Date: 18 May, 2020 11:55

Rich W is correct. I and some others, many remained silent, long argued that there were too many layers of management, with no idea hoe things worked. Just,as Rich says, so that they could make a name for themselves and then leaving the chaos that they caused after a year or so.

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