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A Level Playing Field
Posted by: BovvySarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 12:59

Should we ever grace the PRL again, I wonder if the powers that be will ever level the playing field, firstly by considering if a player has been home grown (who should be automatically excluded from the cap altogether if he/she joined the club at aged 18 or below), and secondly where the team resides.

The table below shows the UK ranking of cost of living (London being highest) and then as a guide to the level of difference in cost of living I have shown the average percentage of gross income spent on accommodation (rental or mortgage)

1 London 37.08%
3 Edinburgh 23.32%
4 Bristol 21.92%
7 Exeter 21.20%
8 Cardiff 19.04%
9 Manchester 18.84%
10 Birmingham 18.16%
11 Leeds 17.72%
13 Glasgow 15.88%
14 Newcastle 15.46%

The NUMBEO indices is avalable for any city in the UK. This shows that Exeter has a cost of living 23.36% lower than London. Coventry is 20.14% lower, and Bristol 11.07% lower.

For Saracens to have a comparable, level playing field to (say) Exeter, PRL would need to add £2.13m to the £7m cap just for residence purposes. I am not in any way condoning the past, but I do think PRL should recognise this issue in the future.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: boomer! (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 13:03

Ha, this is very valid point and perversely a Sarrie supporting mate of mine was raising this self same issue only last week.



It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: myleftboot (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 13:05

That's hilarious that the number that pops up is £2mill and some change!!

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: BovvySarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 13:21

"That's hilarious that the number that pops up is £2mill and some change!!"

You can call it Colin if it makes you feel better, but it is still true.

Dark under that bridge?



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Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 13:24

But do Saracens players have to live in London? Surely accommodation is cheaper to the north of your facilities?

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: EXDJ (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 13:32

Quote:
Stopsy
But do Saracens players have to live in London? Surely accommodation is cheaper to the north of your facilities?

Donít all the players live near the training ground in north Hertfordshire? And didnít Jim Hamilton famously live in Luton?

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: daz_71 (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 13:35

Quote:
EXDJ
Quote:
Stopsy
But do Saracens players have to live in London? Surely accommodation is cheaper to the north of your facilities?

Donít all the players live near the training ground in north Hertfordshire? And didnít Jim Hamilton famously live in Luton?

A lot of the players live in St Albans with some in Harpenden and some in London. I believe St Alabns is one of the most expensive towns to live in within the UK. Harpenden would not be cheap either.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:01

But in part, that is their choice, there are cheaper areas (relatively)

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Sarriebone (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:05

You could also argue that some teams would have to pay players more to lure them away from the bright lights of London...
A level playing field when it comes to finances is frankly a minefield that doesn't have a solution imo.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Neil-H (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:32

Quote:
daz_71
Quote:
EXDJ
Quote:
Stopsy
But do Saracens players have to live in London? Surely accommodation is cheaper to the north of your facilities?

Donít all the players live near the training ground in north Hertfordshire? And didnít Jim Hamilton famously live in Luton?

A lot of the players live in St Albans with some in Harpenden and some in London. I believe St Alabns is one of the most expensive towns to live in within the UK. Harpenden would not be cheap either.

And some live in Berkhamsted.... which is ridiculously expensive!

N lets not knock Luton please... I was born n dragged up there... before I escaped to Berko!!!!

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Marlow Nick (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:41

According to Googlemaps you can get to Northampton within an hour from Old Albanians. There are a lot of cheap places to live if the players decide cost of living is the key factor when choosing a club although for the last 5 years we have been told that many players happily take a pay cut when moving clubs so maybe not an issue

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Brown Bottle (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:44

Quins train in Guildford so no need for the players to live in London unless they want to.

You'll also find that there are places even in Newcastle (where the footballers live) which are far more aligned with the South East in terms of housing costs.



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Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: maynas (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:44

Quote:
Stopsy
But in part, that is their choice, there are cheaper areas (relatively)
I agree its not ďLondonĒ rates, its the whole SE. You obviously dont live down here. If you want ďcheaper areasĒ youíd have to drive 50 miles away north on crowded motorways like the A1 or M1. Most of Herts and west Essex is costly almost as London, as is Bucks and Berkshire the other way.
Maybe the % rate Bobby quotes is too high but there is a serious point here which Iím sure Quinnís and London Irish would have common ground on. Best not go this on our own but bring along support from other teams affected.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: covkid53 (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:44

Cost of living numbers above do not reflect reality. Coventry for example is no way 20% cheaper in which to live, save one area, housing. Most players rent properties and rents are not 20% cheaper here particularly in the Warwickshire towns and villages around the city, where many rugby players may gravitate towards. Cost of living, eating out etc; is pretty much the same.

Yes Coventry may be cheaper for students because there are 54000 students in and around the city, so low cost student accomodation is readily available.These student numbers distort and skew the -20.1% figures quoted.

For example, an area called Earlsdon which is popular and sought after by professional people, a two up two down will start at just under £200k rising to £325k for a nicer example. A good size 3 bed semi would start at £375k to £425k. Detatched houses with parking £400k to £1m plus, and depending on location to the private grammar schools, parks, railway station and city centre, even higher.

So, the generic data printed above proves nothing because most houses of any note in this city would be out of an average premiership players price bracket.

A level playing field should relate to a wide range of factors.



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Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: LutonS (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:48

Quote:
Marlow Nick
According to Googlemaps you can get to Northampton within an hour from Old Albanians.

Goolemaps is entirely correct on the timings so long as you are driving:
At 3 AM on a Sunday morning
Downhill
With a following wind
In a fast car
With no roadworks

Oh, and you'll probably still need all the lights to be green to and from the M1.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: maynas (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:50

Quote:
covkid53
Cost of living numbers above do not reflect reality. Coventry for example is no way 20% cheaper in which to live, save one area, housing. Most players rent properties and rents are not 20% cheaper here particularly in the Warwickshire towns and villages around the city, where many rugby players may gravitate towards. Cost of living, eating out etc; is pretty much the same.
Yes Coventry may be cheaper for students because there are 54000 students in and around the city, so low cost student accomodation is readily available.These student numbers distort and skew the -20.1% figures quoted.

For example, an area called Earlsdon which is popular and sought after by professional people, a two up two down will start at just under £200k rising to £325k for a nicer example. A good size 3 bed semi would start at £275k to £350k. Detatched houses with parking £400k to £1m plus, and depending on location to the private grammar schools, parks, railway station and city centre, even higher.

So, the generic data printed above proves nothing because most houses of any note in this city would be out of an average premiership players price bracket.

A level playing field should relate to a wide range of factors.

Its not just housing (and rents here obviously reflect housing costs and anyway the majority of UK based players buy as they know (or the clubís Financial advisor will tell them) its throwing money away to rent when they are on a descent wage and can get a mortgage) its important stuff like beer as well as food out. My son was recently in Yorkshire and was shocked how cheap (and how huge) meals up there are. A pint in London can be well over £6, here in Herts around £5, further north nearer £4, Iím sure others can give typical prices. Compare a pub lunch in Harpenden or St Albans vs Coventry or Exeter and youíll see a big difference, never mind Newcastle or Sale.

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: EXDJ (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:50

Quote:
Sarriebone
You could also argue that some teams would have to pay players more to lure them away from the bright lights of London...
A level playing field when it comes to finances is frankly a minefield that doesn't have a solution imo.

This is spot on - werenít Daly and Williams both keen on Saracens because they wanted to be near London for personal reasons? If I were a young professional sportsman Iíd much rather be near London (Manchester at a push) compared to Leicester...

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Westrock (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:52

In the cricket county championship there is an additional 25% London weighting on the £2m salary cap

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:53

Living and working in London gives far greater exposure to contacts for post-rugby employment

Given that is 30 years employment it is a significant advantage. The centre of finance and media for example

Re: A Level Playing Field
Posted by: myleftboot (IP Logged)
Date: 20 January, 2020 14:53

Quote:
maynas
A pint in London can be well over £6, here in Herts around £5, further north nearer £4, Iím sure others can give typical prices. Compare a pub lunch in Harpenden or St Albans vs Coventry or Exeter and youíll see a big difference, never mind Newcastle or Sale.
Alex Goode can tell you the pint prices from Newcastle to St Albans. He pub crawled that entire distance...

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