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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2019 22:49

OK Leavers you have a clear decision. Make it happen and make it as you want

Easily enough people have voted for 'Get Brexit Done' I cannot argue with that

Just don't complain if a) it takes a blooky lot longer to deliver than your guru promised and b) it doesn't fully meet your expectations for your Brexit

I am coming to terms with the realisation that this is not a country I recognise nor feel entirely comfortable with but that is the reality and I will live with it and help my children to survive within it as best I can

But Johnson can no longer hide away in fridges when the going gets tough so he had better live up to his own hype

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2019 23:22

Gaz, these are weird times, take away Brexit and its a different picture. Much of the recent vitriol is as a result of polar politics, in time the country will return to centre ground politics. The Conservative this time round ran a good campaign, last time TM ran a rubbish one and nearly lost.
Labour need to sort out their split, (getting wider at the present time) and run a decent campaign.

The social media campaign was just to trivial. Saying vote Labour to keep the Torries out is really defeatist, but equally so is a fantasy agenda.

Next time round the election will be based on home politics rather than a hybrid referendum/election so we can expect a very different discussion.

My concern is the Scottish National party to be honest. I thought N Sturgeon's reaction to the defeat of a fellow leader (Jo Swinson) was a disgrace really.

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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 00:46

Quote:
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The Conservative this time round ran a good campaign, last time TM ran a rubbish one and nearly lost.

I can tell you honestly, as a former Conservative and campaigner, that the Conservative ground game is always inferior to Labour, except in a few areas. Certainly not in Bishop Auckland, Blyth Valley, Bolsover, West Brom East etc.


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The social media campaign was just to trivial. Saying vote Labour to keep the Torries out is really defeatist, but equally so is a fantasy agenda.

The law of social media is that losing parties blame it time and time again, even though following Social media would suggest the opposite outcome.

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Next time round the election will be based on home politics rather than a hybrid referendum/election so we can expect a very different discussion.

Mark my words. Patriotism was as, if not more, important than Brexit in this election. I guarantee Labour will 'learn' all the wrong lessons.

Voters don't want extremes of Liberalism; social conservatism is popular, very popular.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 01:07

Labour clearly didn't run a better campaign this time round.

On social media, I can't comment.

That was my point but you came from it from a different direction, if social conservatism means left wing conservatism or right wing socialism I agree. Does it?



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 13:18

Quote:
gaz59
OK Leavers you have a clear decision. Make it happen and make it as you want
Easily enough people have voted for 'Get Brexit Done' I cannot argue with that

Just don't complain if a) it takes a blooky lot longer to deliver than your guru promised and b) it doesn't fully meet your expectations for your Brexit

I am coming to terms with the realisation that this is not a country I recognise nor feel entirely comfortable with but that is the reality and I will live with it and help my children to survive within it as best I can

But Johnson can no longer hide away in fridges when the going gets tough so he had better live up to his own hype

From a pure negotiating position, they should have said you can have 39bill but it is conditional on free trade.

There is also a nastiness in politics and i think Corbyns momentum lead the way. Further to that, there is a nastiness in society where there are many predatory crimes. That is a country i dont recognise.

I hope centralists get back control of the labour party but i think it will be some fight and i dont see anyone up to it.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 13:33

Comments like this from a Labour MP really don't help. "I could never be friends with a Tory, they are the enemy."

We disagree on this site sometimes but to bin someone just because someone holds a different view? Crazy! Also slightly hypocritical, isn't socialism about equality for all, unless you hold a different view of course.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: Chris1850 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 14:04

Quote:
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Quote:
gaz59
OK Leavers you have a clear decision. Make it happen and make it as you want
Easily enough people have voted for 'Get Brexit Done' I cannot argue with that

Just don't complain if a) it takes a blooky lot longer to deliver than your guru promised and b) it doesn't fully meet your expectations for your Brexit

I am coming to terms with the realisation that this is not a country I recognise nor feel entirely comfortable with but that is the reality and I will live with it and help my children to survive within it as best I can

But Johnson can no longer hide away in fridges when the going gets tough so he had better live up to his own hype

From a pure negotiating position, they should have said you can have 39bill but it is conditional on free trade.

There is also a nastiness in politics and i think Corbyns momentum lead the way. Further to that, there is a nastiness in society where there are many predatory crimes. That is a country i dont recognise.

I hope centralists get back control of the labour party but i think it will be some fight and i dont see anyone up to it.

Yes, and she was being strongly touted as the next leader of the party. Until Thursday night's results. Sums up how febrile modern politics has become. Good riddance to bad rubbish in her case.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 16:25

"From a pure negotiating position, they should have said you can have 39bill but it is conditional on free trade."

Saying "Give us free trade or we'll shoot ourselves in the foot." Is not great negotiation.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 19:03

Interesting

[www.independent.co.uk]

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 19:38

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Interesting
[www.independent.co.uk]

Article dated Friday 9 December 2016. Is that still an option?



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 19:39

Quote:
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Interesting
[www.independent.co.uk]

Very interesting, if true.

I would take it like a shot.



... IMHO, of course.

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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 21:47

Quote:
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Quote:
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Interesting
[www.independent.co.uk]

Very interesting, if true.

I would take it like a shot.

Thought you said youíre becoming a US citizen so surely itís not relevant to you?

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 23:32

Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
DanWiley
Interesting
[www.independent.co.uk]

Very interesting, if true.

I would take it like a shot.

Thought you said youíre becoming a US citizen so surely itís not relevant to you?

Of course it is, the US permits dual citizenship. But I might have to choose between UK and EU citizenship.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2019 23:49

I say again, check the date of the article.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 08:21

Didn't spot the date, still if is an option it does seem like a bit of a win all round.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 09:28

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shipwrecked
Quote:
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Interesting
[www.independent.co.uk]

Article dated Friday 9 December 2016. Is that still an option?

No! Apparently associated citizenship has its difficulties and may need treaty change article here

Only option available is to get dual nationality but some countries do not allow that.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 10:31

Good find CC, thanks.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 14:49

"Only option available is to get dual nationality but some countries do not allow that."

Where does it say that? It's pretty vague about the difficulties.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 15:45


Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 15 December, 2019 20:54

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That was my point but you came from it from a different direction, if social conservatism means left wing conservatism or right wing socialism I agree. Does it?

To me it does.

Time and time again, liberals are surprised that people vote for cultural/social reasons as much for economic ones. This Labour party managed to alienate on the former and overdid it on the latter.



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