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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 12 November, 2019 23:22

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Bath Supporter Jack
Joe
Labour have been asked to join the coalition but they also know that if they agree to PR they will never enjoy a majority government again.

With the loss of the Scottish Labour seats to the SNP it is arguable that that is already the case. The SNP will support Labour in exchange for INDYREF2 being granted but then those seats will be permanently gone. This might be Labour's last opportunity for a very long time to change the voting system from a position of relative power.



... IMHO, of course.

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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 13 November, 2019 19:06

Quote:
BBandW
Quote:
John Tee
They are all at it... Lib dems, Greens, Brexity party, Tories.
I dont see the difference

I'll think you'll find that only Farage has withdrawn 50% of his candidates only days after saying they were all standing. Seems rather a large difference to me.

How long before the other 50% are withdrawn before they are under orders at the starting gate ?

wasnt the case when i posted. iirc
personally i dont like to see these type of deals but since one side of the brexit argument is doing it, then why wouldn't the other..?

And i didnt mention labour... no real reason but then no one knows
what policy on brexit theyll come up next anyway.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: John Tee (IP Logged)
Date: 13 November, 2019 19:12

Quote:
Mike the Taxi
In the eventuality of a Tory majority, what's to stop them repealing the 'No Hard Brexit' Act, and going for 'Hard Brexit'?

I assume they could in theory, but whilst many say they will, i dont see why they would...unless Johnson wants to tweak his deal.

He could save the divorce fee though.....
or make it conditional on a trade deal which would make more sense

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 13 November, 2019 19:15

I think Farages’ backers are slowly backing out hence the decision. Wait for a few more!



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 13 November, 2019 20:29

Quote:
ChippenhamRoman

And the Tory Party’s transformation is complete.

Why fight them or convince them of Hard No Deal Brexit when you can simply take them over and get your ideas implemented?

The very thing that “Call me Dave” was afraid off has happened. The Conservative and Unionist Party is now UKIP/BREXIT.

No broad church here.

J

Written by someone displaying no knowledge of the history of the Conservative party... It's membership has always been overwhelmingly Eurosceptic and only it's arcane processes and preferences for selecting 'mates', for want of a better term, kept a pro-European hold on the party.

(It's also true of the parties liberal policies but they are under no threat regardless of the media chatter).

They are also not standing on a platform of No Deal btw, they actually have a deal. One negotiated with the EU...

Labour, on the other hand... Members signed up at short notice with a coordinated movement to elect a strongly Socialist leader with a number of undesirable views. The only reason it continues to have some moderate members is because they are to afraid to resign and lose their jobs or they would overlook the unsavoury elements because they want to stop Brexit (a slippery slope). Both are cowards.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 14 November, 2019 12:46

A friend of mine is on the committee at Wilton, Cameron's old seat and he was selected as their candidate because of his strong Eurosceptic views........of course they were pretty irritated when he came out in favour of Remaining!

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: BBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 14 November, 2019 19:44

Quote:
The Bear
Quote:
ChippenhamRoman

And the Tory Party’s transformation is complete.

Why fight them or convince them of Hard No Deal Brexit when you can simply take them over and get your ideas implemented?

The very thing that “Call me Dave” was afraid off has happened. The Conservative and Unionist Party is now UKIP/BREXIT.

No broad church here.

J

Written by someone displaying no knowledge of the history of the Conservative party... It's membership has always been overwhelmingly Eurosceptic.

Malco Ther Bear; I think you'll find that the UK joined the EU when the conservative party were in power. Not what one would have expected from an " overwhelmingly Eurosceptic" party.

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: ChippenhamRoman (IP Logged)
Date: 14 November, 2019 21:30

Quote:
The Bear
Quote:
ChippenhamRoman

And the Tory Party’s transformation is complete.

Why fight them or convince them of Hard No Deal Brexit when you can simply take them over and get your ideas implemented?

The very thing that “Call me Dave” was afraid off has happened. The Conservative and Unionist Party is now UKIP/BREXIT.

No broad church here.

J

Written by someone displaying no knowledge of the history of the Conservative party... It's membership has always been overwhelmingly Eurosceptic and only it's arcane processes and preferences for selecting 'mates', for want of a better term, kept a pro-European hold on the party.

(It's also true of the parties liberal policies but they are under no threat regardless of the media chatter).

They are also not standing on a platform of No Deal btw, they actually have a deal. One negotiated with the EU...

Labour, on the other hand... Members signed up at short notice with a coordinated movement to elect a strongly Socialist leader with a number of undesirable views. The only reason it continues to have some moderate members is because they are to afraid to resign and lose their jobs or they would overlook the unsavoury elements because they want to stop Brexit (a slippery slope). Both are cowards.

Got a fair bit of knowledge of the history of the Conservatives.

We all know that this “deal” is mearly the exit deal. The transition arrangement.

The real “deal” will come at the end of 2020. That is when the true colours will come to the fore and the hardest of no deal Brexit will be rammed through.

I’d like to see how my previous MP (Michelle Donelan if she retains her seat) will vote. A remainer, a May dealer, a Johnston dealer, how will she pivot to defending the inevitable crash out Brexit.

Got to pray for a hung Parliament.

J

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 November, 2019 22:02

A brief history of Conservative Eurosepticism.

[www.theguardian.com]



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 November, 2019 22:26

I think you will find Mr Bear that your mate Johnson also holds a number of undesirable views and it is not as if the election of our PM was a triumph of democracy

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2019 09:45

Quote:
gaz59
I think you will find Mr Bear that your mate Johnson also holds a number of undesirable views and it is not as if the election of our PM was a triumph of democracy

They're world's apart... Stop deluding yourself.

That's what scares me about a vote for Labour. The ends justify the means. We'll throw one ethnic group under the bus because we get most of what we want...

This is the kind of thing liberal democracy was supposed to protect. Instead those same people would rather see Brexit stopped (and a majority vote honoured) rather than protect a minority ethnic group. Their priorities are a mess!



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: JFPC (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2019 10:53

Quote:
The Bear
Quote:
gaz59
I think you will find Mr Bear that your mate Johnson also holds a number of undesirable views and it is not as if the election of our PM was a triumph of democracy

They're world's apart... Stop deluding yourself.

That's what scares me about a vote for Labour. The ends justify the means. We'll throw one ethnic group under the bus because we get most of what we want...

This is the kind of thing liberal democracy was supposed to protect. Instead those same people would rather see Brexit stopped (and a majority vote honoured) rather than protect a minority ethnic group. Their priorities are a mess!

I take it Muslims aren't the minority group you are refering to?



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2019 19:55

Quote:
JFPC

I take it Muslims aren't the minority group you are refering to?

See... The ends justify the means.

Come back to me when the Equality and Human Rights Commission begin an investigation into the Tories, rather than engage in party political deflection.



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2019 20:31

Quote:
The Bear
Quote:
gaz59
I think you will find Mr Bear that your mate Johnson also holds a number of undesirable views and it is not as if the election of our PM
was a triumph of democracy

They're world's apart... Stop deluding yourself.

That's what scares me about a vote for Labour. The ends justify the means. We'll throw one ethnic group under the bus because we get most of what we want...

This is the kind of thing liberal democracy was supposed to protect. Instead those same people would rather see Brexit stopped (and a majority vote honoured) rather than protect a minority ethnic group. Their priorities are a mess!

LoL

Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2019 22:33

quote gaz59]

LoL[/quote]

Yeah, I laugh out loud at anti-Semitism too*...

*(Actually, I don't).



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Re: OT/ Brexit
Posted by: JFPC (IP Logged)
Date: 15 November, 2019 22:34

Quote:
The Bear
Quote:
JFPC

I take it Muslims aren't the minority group you are refering to?

See... The ends justify the means.

Come back to me when the Equality and Human Rights Commission begin an investigation into the Tories, rather than engage in party political deflection.

Just to he clear, I've never voted for either of the main political parties as I think they are (nearly) all a bunch of.....

The ends don't justify the means, that's my point. YOU are the one willing to throw an ethnic group under the bus because they haven't got the friends in the press needed to bring the issues to an investigation.



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Re: OT/ BrexitW7
Posted by: BBandW (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2019 19:25

The majority of the electorate voted for revoke/second referendum parties rather than leave.

Re: OT/ BrexitW7
Posted by: Chris1850 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2019 19:32

Quote:
BBandW
The majority of the electorate voted for revoke/second referendum parties rather than leave.

You sound like a Tigers supporter! The result didn't go our way so I am going to blame the referee!

Re: OT/ BrexitW7
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2019 19:40

Quote:
Chris1850
Quote:
BBandW
The majority of the electorate voted for revoke/second referendum parties rather than leave.

You sound like a Tigers supporter! The result didn't go our way so I am going to blame the referee!

He didn't blame the referee he has just pointed out the score.

Re: OT/ BrexitW7
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2019 21:00

Hold on a minute..so a vote for the Lib Dems (revoke) is the same as a vote for Labour (Ref 2) and also the same as a vote for the Greens.....oh I forgot its also the same as a vote for a party in another country SNP! Do you realise how illogical and nonsensical that sounds?
Revoke and 2nd referendum are two different animals incidentally.

Why can't there be a little grace and just accept its decided and it didn't go your way. Its like losing the game and kicking the ball over the fence! Time to move on, thats what the election was all about wasn't it?



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