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These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Comeonmylovers.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 09:09

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 26/05/2020 13:27 by P G Tips.

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 11:27

John Palmer was the best fly half England never had

The Rodney Marsh of English rugby. Supremely, naturally gifted and sadly massively overlooked

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 11:40

PG as I started reading above I thought I am going to put in Andy Beattie because I bet most people won't think of him so imagine my delight when I got to the end!!!

Also a really, really nice bloke!thumbs down

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 11:42

Quote:
gaz59
John Palmer was the best fly half England never had
The Rodney Marsh of English rugby. Supremely, naturally gifted and sadly massively overlooked

Although he did get a couple of caps as a centre - on an ill-fated tour of SA. That was an era when England's selectors were in a real muddle.

PG

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 12:04

Quote:
P G Tips
Quote:
gaz59
John Palmer was the best fly half England never had
The Rodney Marsh of English rugby. Supremely, naturally gifted and sadly massively overlooked

Although he did get a couple of caps as a centre - on an ill-fated tour of SA. That was an era when England's selectors were in a real muddle.

PG

Did they ever get out of that muddle PG?



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Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Kaapstad (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 14:18

'Guys"

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 14:46

.weren't named Mo

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 14:57

Paul Simpson comes to mind - him and Spurrell were an indomitable double act, although Simmo got a couple of caps if I recall correctly



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Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 15:17

Yes Bod- he got 3 1983-1987.

PG

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Bod (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 15:25

Graham Dawe as well PGT
How many times did Moore go missing for the club encounters (probably for perceived health reasons)?

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Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 12 May, 2020 16:33

Agreed Bod- but the main premise was those who did not get a cap they deserved.

Graham did at least get to play a few full internationals, including a World Cup.

PG

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 10:03

Quote:
Bod
Graham Dawe as well PGT
How many times did Moore go missing for the club encounters (probably for perceived health reasons)?

(Sm3)

At a wild guess, i'd probably say zero times, apart from in the apocryphal rememberings of partisan Bath fans. Moore was as much a part of England going from national embarrassment in 1987 to within-a-Campese-deliberate knock-on of World Champions in 1991, as anyone. A genuine prototype for the modern hooker.

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 11:04

Fair point Opti.

Moore epitomised the spirit of that England team- especially it's pack.

Dawe was actually in a 3 way fight for the England shirt as John Olver of Quins had his moments in the early 90s. Where his luck failed him I believe was bearing some of the blame for the battle of Cardiff in 1987. Moore took his chance and Dawe then had to play catch up at international level.

PG

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Pop stand fan (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 12:02

Bob Orledge, played 171 times for Bath but never for England despite playing in 5 England trials and travelling as a reserve 8 times.
Ian Duckworth a trialist who missed the call to play for England because he was climbing a mountain.
Simon Jones and Gerry Parsons, also trialists who probably came within an injury of playing for England.

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: DanWiley (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 12:06

Maybe not a player that "if only X, Y or Z weren't around" or the coach just didn't like the look of your face, bu tTom Dunn must have been as close to a cap as its possible and not get one: 80min on the bench as a hooker these days then the 6N game against Italy (surely in that game?) cancelled due to a virus.

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 12:08

Comment from Dave Egerton on our FB page

Quote:
Dave Egerton
I dont like to label players as hard or not , but Roger redefined the meaning . His ability to lead ( along with Jack of course ) was the only reason Bath are in the top flight today.



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Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 13:52

That's a serious endorsement!

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 14:02

Quote:
CoochieCoo
Comment from Dave Egerton on our FB page
Quote:
Dave Egerton
I dont like to label players as hard or not , but Roger redefined the meaning . His ability to lead ( along with Jack of course ) was the only reason Bath are in the top flight today.

My recollection, which is always hazy at best is that there were strong suggestions around at the time that there was significant medical assistance in his leadership qualities which didn't play well with the RFU top brass.

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: Bepetas (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 22:38

I think Nick Abendanon is worth a mention. It was a joy watching him play in BB&W.

Re: These Five Guys Were Unlucky
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 May, 2020 22:51

Quote:
Bepetas
I think Nick Abendanon is worth a mention. It was a joy watching him play in BB&W.

Apart from that he got 2 caps in 2007:

- 11 Aug 2007: Home vs France
- 02 Jun 2007: away vs South Africa



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