Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: plymptonchief (IP Logged)
Date: 18 June, 2020 16:15

I see the RFU are thinking about the connotations of the singing of this famous old @#$%& spiritual. It has always amused me that so many sing it without either appreciating it's roots or being able to do the accompanying actions!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/06/2020 18:18 by Jehovas Sandals.

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: minuteman (IP Logged)
Date: 18 June, 2020 16:58

I think most folks know its an old ď@#$%& spiritual ď song and is classed as such . It does seem a little odd its been adopted by England Rugby supporters but I struggle to see its offensive in anyway. .. unless you really want to try and take offence.
In which case the national anthems of England and France and possibly Scotland could cause offence ..

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: Garnett (IP Logged)
Date: 18 June, 2020 18:09

I have had to engage with this is my day job is as a historic building specialist in Somerset. The police have needed advice on what to protect. Drake and Raleigh had a lot of skeletons in their cupboard. There is so much that people don't realise. The police had to point out that they would be disciplined for using the term 'Nitty Gritty' when he used it in a speech. Swing Low is not really a tradition. As I understand it was first used in the 1980s. I do expect this will throw up more debate about us using the 'Chiefs' name. I know it is old. However the use of Indian imagery is nothing to do with our historic use of the name. I expect it will get debated in the US and we will also get hung up on it. The world is changing. Our sponsors will probably decide this one!

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: Jehovas Sandals (IP Logged)
Date: 18 June, 2020 18:20

With the current situation I think a lot of things are going to be scrutinised.
Whatever your opinion may be......and itís getting progressively more difficult to actually have one!



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Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: ExTeddChief (IP Logged)
Date: 18 June, 2020 20:45

Ironically, if I have my history correct, Swing LOw was originally sung as a tribute to the early black England internationals who were starting to come through in the 1980s. It was meant as a message saying "we welcome you" and no one looked too close at it back then.

Re: Josh Hodge
Posted by: plymptonchief (IP Logged)
Date: 20 June, 2020 09:55

See Brian Moore on Rugby Pass for the true origins of Swing Low as a rugby song. Long before Martin Offiah and Chris Oti it was a favorite in rugby club houses if only for the ribald nature of the actions.
I'm not sure why this has been awarded a sticky or why the subject slot where comments are added is labeled as "Josh Hodge". Perhaps the Moderator con sort it out.

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: Jehovas Sandals (IP Logged)
Date: 20 June, 2020 15:30

Iíve removed the Josh Hodge post, mistakenly posted on the wrong thread I imagine.
Iíve made this thread a sticky as I believe in the current climate it warrants it.



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Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: plymptonchief (IP Logged)
Date: 20 June, 2020 16:42

Thanks JS.

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: clalan (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 11:19

Going on other boards, we seem to be coming under flack again by our use of Native American imagery.
There is no malice in the managements use, it has been used in a positive way.
But I was wondering if there should be a Chiefs shirt (the name cannot be argued as an issue) without the emblem just the Exeter crest in its place as we used to get at the County ground, It would give those who take offence another option.
Pressure will grow as the bandwagon continues to move looking for new targets as being offensive, If we do have to change, we could use our location as a reason for Pride (Devon) make it in no doubt where you are with bar names etc.
I have not thought our current theme is offensive (maybe inflatable tomahawks) as I always thought it represented pride and determination and the Warrior spirit. In the early days against the establishment of the premiership and its old boys club jump through hoops/ do as we say not as we do, it gave us an identity.
The chant we sing can stay, its a chant that is all, but there are many more songs that have evolved over ten years.
To have the choice of a different home shirt still using Exeter rugby, "Chief" may show how we all feel and may be reflected in sale numbers.
My icon will have to change of course.

We have nothing to be ashamed of, but they will come calling pointing the finger.



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Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: Toomanychiefs (IP Logged)
Date: 23 June, 2020 13:35

While we are having inquests into songs at rugby can we have a look at the suitability of 'Sweet Caroline'?😄😂

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: Jehovas Sandals (IP Logged)
Date: 24 June, 2020 12:11

Quote:
Toomanychiefs
While we are having inquests into songs at rugby can we have a look at the suitability of 'Sweet Caroline'?😄😂

LOL!!



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Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: DumnoniiNomad (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2020 10:52

Quote:
Jehovas Sandals
Quote:
Toomanychiefs
While we are having inquests into songs at rugby can we have a look at the suitability of 'Sweet Caroline'?😄😂

LOL!!

Totally agree! The song has it's place, it's just not before the game. IMHO it actually reduces the atmosphere.

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: DumnoniiNomad (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2020 10:59

The sooner we all stop acknowledging our differences, the better. Yes, controversial, I agree, however, it seems to me if we celebrate, we're wrong, and clearly we're wrong to willfully mock. Someone will always find a way to take offense. The problem is the ignorance of those perpetuating the stories. Very sad.

Re: Swing low, sweet chariot
Posted by: Tiverton Brave (IP Logged)
Date: 02 July, 2020 13:54

Back on topic;
I can remember singing along to this (and doing the accompanying dodgy actions) in the late 60s.
Did I listen to it first on an LP called 'Rugby songs' I think - remember LPs?

I think the references to the song just bursting out at Twickenham in 1980s as a celebration of Martin Offiah etc have just been 'remembered' so as to make 'us' as rugby fans/ supporters/watchers seem ahead of the anti-racist game, something that I think is a bit disingenuous.
Having said that, I find nothing racist about the song....to me it is a song about freedom and triumph over adversity despite the 'current' situation that the singer finds themselves in, pure and simple.
A football equivalent may be the 'great escape' theme tune. winking smiley

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