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Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 17:19

Watching Calcutta Cup. Once again, the home fans are giving a splendid lesson in unsportsmanship.Wretched bunch.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: trummy200 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 18:39

Have to agree Dick - seems its the sign of the times. Did think the commentary team did a decent job, pretty fair handed. Pretty foul conditions all round

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Daveyb (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 19:38

I thought the ref was way out of his depth. Inconsistent in everything he did. He pinged Englands line out consistently for not throwing in straight, even when Scotland were barely contesting, then they had a line out on about half way, the ball bent its way down the line out finishing well outside, Ford knocked it back, May kicked into touch and the Scots gained 25 yards.
I appreciate it was difficult for all, and also that I am probably not up to speed with the law, but when Hogg appeared to drop the ball on the line, then grounded it with his stomach.....I thought it had to be grounded whilst under control with downward pressure applied between the elbow and finger tips.....someone put me out of my misery and tell me that went out of fashion years ago!

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: ed.up.north (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 20:22

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Daveyb
I thought the ref was way out of his depth. Inconsistent in everything he did. He pinged Englands line out consistently for not throwing in straight, even when Scotland were barely contesting, then they had a line out on about half way, the ball bent its way down the line out finishing well outside, Ford knocked it back, May kicked into touch and the Scots gained 25 yards.
I appreciate it was difficult for all, and also that I am probably not up to speed with the law, but when Hogg appeared to drop the ball on the line, then grounded it with his stomach.....I thought it had to be grounded whilst under control with downward pressure applied between the elbow and finger tips.....someone put me out of my misery and tell me that went out of fashion years ago!

These days itís the hand, arm or the front of a playerís body from waist to neck. ďDownward pressureĒ isnít in the law book any more. I thought Hogg was very lucky.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 21:15

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dick g
Watching Calcutta Cup. Once again, the home fans are giving a splendid lesson in unsportsmanship.Wretched bunch.

Moronic behaviour and probably not helped by comments from the incredibly slow and idiotic Sam Johnson. Sadly a huge chip on shoulder demonstrated by some of our Scottish friends, very disappointing.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 21:36

Hope the guy who threw the beer bottle is proud of himsel too.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Rafpilot2000 (IP Logged)
Date: 08 February, 2020 22:47

I know we need to be diplomatic and we were playing in someone elseís stadium but it was just ignorant. I get weary of the Scottish attitude towards England . We are competitive against Wales, a proud nation with great heritage but who have welcoming fans and respect the kicker. Therefore there is no excuse but ignorance or arrogance and Iím not sure which is the lesser evil. Just a bit sad really. And it didnít work as we won !!;-)

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 09:22

Sadly, there are some Scots who thrive on the sense of being underdogs oppressed by England which took over their country. This displays a profound
Ignorance of their own history.

The merger of the crowns of England and Scotland was instituted by King James 6 of Scotland when he also ascended to the English throne as King James 1. He came up with the title of United Kingdom and also the design of the Union Flag. So it was really Scotland absorbing England.

The Act of Union which merged the countries politically and made London its capital came about as the price Scotland paid for England giving the Scots a large amount of dosh to cover huge losses Edinburgh had incurred in its ill-judged attempt to create a colony in the Darien Peninsular in Central America. This had effectively bankrupted Scotland.

Still, the advantage of this ignorance is to fire up England's players.

I should add that I have spent some of my happiest times climbing in Scotland and still visit it regularly.

Sorry if I have been boring and strayed too far from rugby.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Falcona (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 10:03

Dickg No I found that really informative and I was ignorant of this history also. In fact, I am not good at history.

Dick. You would love [www.quora.com]. it will no doubt drive you mad at times. And you must abide by their rules. But you find fascinating information from people.

Would you mind if I kept this information or where I could source the information from? Thanking you

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 10:05

If you want to know the root-cause of this hatred of the English by some Scottish & Irish people, I can provide a very good demonstration of why it festers on from one century to the next:

We have just completed a job for a park in Northern Ireland, a series of signs that recount their twisted version of a story of how on that site, the virtually unarmed Irish heroes took on the nasty English, better trained, and better armed. It is there to brainwash children, so that like their parents they will hate the English, and keep this battle raging for ever. There will be no end. They have kept this up for over 350 years & are just getting into their stride.

The same happens in Scotland, and you will find that those affected by this @#$%& hatred will carry it on to their children, and their grandchildren, and you will be able to trace it back to their ancestors over hundreds of years.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 10:08

If you want to know what the swearing filter kicked out, it was i.n.b.r.e.d

Why is that an unacceptable word?
(Sm105)

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 10:29

It is very sad tbh. I get the beating the big neighbour bit but not to the point of hatred and bigotry. I've lived in Scotland over 30 years and do still get taken aback at the obsession with beating England. I don't think it's helped by Nasty Nicola and her mates who basically seem to think being better than England is their sole aim, I've even seen it written in NHS circulars how 'this is better than in England'.

As for yesterday I'm not sure I've seen players getting the finger or Gareth Hunt gestures at a rugby match before but hey ho.

As for today, I am attending the Scotland v England ladies match where I will cheer on England and my Scottish daughter will cheer on Scotland, we will laugh, shiver and have a drink after, and that's what it should be about.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 10:32

No I won't, the match is off!

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Rafpilot2000 (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 11:57

Dg, thank you for the history , I knew parts of that but it was a nice read. I do think itís great to have the rivalry , just a pity it canít be a respected rivalry wrt the game.
Anyway their stadium , their rules . All good

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: SimonG19 (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 11:58

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Exiled Falcon
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dick g
Watching Calcutta Cup. Once again, the home fans are giving a splendid lesson in unsportsmanship.Wretched bunch.

Moronic behaviour and probably not helped by comments from the incredibly slow and idiotic Sam Johnson. Sadly a huge chip on shoulder demonstrated by some of our Scottish friends, very disappointing.

For balance don't forget the moronic comments from Lewis Ludlam as well.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 12:29

Wholeheartedly agree Simon, but the English guys put up with this every year. Problem is if England had lost Ludlam looks stupid, as it is Sam Johnson looks stupid. Both of them and anyone else who pedals this crud needs their heads knocking together and reminded it's a game of rugby, nothing more.

Doesn't excuse the behaviour of the Murrayfield crowd however.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: SimonG19 (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 13:48

Again for balance (not that I am Scottish!) a small minority in the Murrayfield crowd.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 14:04

The booing of Faz was far from a small minority Simon. Granted the hand gestures were a small minority but a disappointing development none the less.

Unfortunately the 6N attracts a load of people who for a few weeks take a break from football and bring their moronic football behaviour with them. (And yes, I am a football fan too)

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: aidanb (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 14:08

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SimonG19
Again for balance (not that I am Scottish!) a small minority in the Murrayfield crowd.

We arenít the bbc and donít need a for balance argument

It doesnít matter that it was a small minority.

1 person doing it is bad enough.

1 person from either nation doing it is not needed.
Eddie Jones got a hard time of the Scots a couple of years back and now this.

Thereís no need and the SRU and itís players need to be making strong statements about the values of the game and how we are there to enjoy the fierce competition but never to let it spill to anger and even hatred.

Re: Murrayfield Morons
Posted by: Northumbrian (IP Logged)
Date: 09 February, 2020 17:12

Some of them will be narked because England took them out of the EU against their will. But there's always an excuse...

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