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Exeter name
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 30 July, 2020 14:39

Good that Exeter management has done the right thing. The name Chiefs is well-established and does not indicate disrespect for the indigenous population of North America. Comparisons with Washington Redskins is inappropriate. The term "redskin" was employed as an insult during the US attempt to displace the native population. It is the equivalent to n****r for black Americans. I use asterix not to avoid deletion, but simply because I cannot use the word.

Those who are poised to accuse me of "wokeness" might like to register that I also dislike calling indigenous Americans "indians" as this was the name applied by the first European explorers who thought they had landed, as planned, in India. Aborigines is equally unpleasant.

The Exeter mascot, however, is an insulting comic book parody which we can live without.

Before the anti-wokeists get going, I am not attempting to re-write history, but learn to recognise its mistakes.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: FalcDancer (IP Logged)
Date: 30 July, 2020 15:54

I agree Dick
I don’t see the issue with using the term Chiefs. It’s not disrespectful in my eyes

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Andy Mac (IP Logged)
Date: 30 July, 2020 17:14

Didn’t native Americans indicate that they deemed offensive? (Honest question, I’m not very well read up on the subject).

I’ll keep my opinions quiet, as I expect the usual barrage of ‘it’s political correctness gone mad’ and get the usual ‘guardian reading mung bean eating vegan’ stereotypes thrown about by the usual lot on here :-/

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: matt1il (IP Logged)
Date: 30 July, 2020 19:10

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Andy Mac
I’ll keep my opinions quiet, as I expect the usual barrage of ‘it’s political correctness gone mad’ and get the usual ‘guardian reading mung bean eating vegan’ stereotypes thrown about by the usual lot on here :-/

Oh let them say what they want!

The name chief isn't a problem if it was/is linked to Devon's Chiefs as they suggest but it's clearly not linked to that when you go to Exeter, it is quite clearly linked to indigenous Americans which is both (mainly) baffling, weird and I can see how it could offend.

I'll wait for those to tell me how it'll be against tradition to get rid of the chant, or a mascot or a badge with a fictional chief drawn in '99.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: trummy200 (IP Logged)
Date: 30 July, 2020 19:37

Well trying to watch a match with a pseudo war bonnet stuck in front of me accompanied by the 'Tomahawk Chop' or what ever its called would drive me up the wall.

I know I am a miserable old fogey alright.

That is on a personal level - looking at the broader picture I believe using the 'Chiefs' as they do is disrespectful to the indigenous people of North America



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 30/07/2020 21:29 by trummy200.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 11:04

How is the name "Chiefs" disrespectful? What actaully makes it offensive to them....

Its like the Canterbury "Crusaders"...how is that actually offensive?

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Rafpilot2000 (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 13:02

It's starting to get silly when you can't use any term for anything as you Risk eventually getting held hostage by the one person who takes umbridge at everything and everyone else is so paralysed by worry that they may be branded disrespectful that they agree with the one protagonist .
It's not disrespectful, it's not wrong and Exeter has got it absolutely right.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 31/07/2020 13:04 by Rafpilot2000.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: SimonG19 (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 13:57

Quote:
Andy Mac
Didn’t native Americans indicate that they deemed offensive? (Honest question, I’m not very well read up on the subject).
I’ll keep my opinions quiet, as I expect the usual barrage of ‘it’s political correctness gone mad’ and get the usual ‘guardian reading mung bean eating vegan’ stereotypes thrown about by the usual lot on here :-/

I'm sure if you try hard enough you could find some Native Americans who find it offensive and if you try hard enough you could find some Native Americans who don't.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Leipziger (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 14:05

I don't know too much about it all but it seems Exeter have done alright here, keep the branding (though they may change their logo still I think), but stop the caricature.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Horus (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 14:54

I agree Dick 's original post. But the real name problem is not Exeter Chiefs, but the Saracens name. I recollect
the amateur days of schoolboy rugby when a touring Saracens side played independent schools ( From the XV, I missed out that year with concussion). Iwas struct by the oddity of the touring side's name. As in many pub names, Turk's name or Saracens head, I thought the reference to arabs and Muslims, which the OED has connotations, heathen, pagan, infidel. In short. Islamphobia.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: CharlieDog (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 15:36

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Rafpilot2000
It's starting to get silly when you can't use any term for anything as you Risk eventually getting held hostage by the one person who takes umbridge at everything and everyone else is so paralysed by worry that they may be branded disrespectful that they agree with the one protagonist .
It's not disrespectful, it's not wrong and Exeter has got it absolutely right.

Concise, brilliant and 100% true

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 15:39

Be proud of who you are Andy, whatever your reading and eating habits!

The name doesn’t bother me although I can see why it would be offensive. I suppose if a Native American team was called the Wisconsin Limeys and their mascot was a red faced, beer belied slob we’d be quite offended.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: matt1il (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 17:11

Before people start jumping on people in here. Not one person on here has said there is an issue with the name Chiefs.

It is the things that Exeter put with it that makes it quite clear that it's linked to native Americans.

As trummy said "using it as they do"

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 18:10

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Exiled Falcon
I suppose if a Native American team was called the Wisconsin Limeys and their mascot was a red faced, beer belied slob we’d be quite offended.

Would we? My experience of Brits is that they probably couldn't give a proverbial.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: RiponFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 19:14

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Monkey1
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Exiled Falcon
I suppose if a Native American team was called the Wisconsin Limeys and their mascot was a red faced, beer belied slob we’d be quite offended.

Would we? My experience of Brits is that they probably couldn't give a proverbial.
Which is probably the same with the native Americans and the activities of a rugby team in Exeter

Project the NHS or just wear a badge and applaud with your neighbours watching each week?
Do something about racism or wear a badge and take the knee on tv?
There are too many people who will make the gesture if enough people are watching but don’t really believe or do anything to make a difference. I’m sure thousand of native Americans will sleep happier knowing the mascot is no more



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Re: Exeter name
Posted by: CharlieDog (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 19:50

Quote:
Exiled Falcon
Be proud of who you are Andy, whatever your reading and eating habits!
The name doesn’t bother me although I can see why it would be offensive. I suppose if a Native American team was called the Wisconsin Limeys and their mascot was a red faced, beer belied slob we’d be quite offended.

Of course we wouldn't!!!!! Apart from the odd snowflake. This is a perfect example of what RAFpilot so eloquently explained

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 31 July, 2020 21:15

Quote:
Rafpilot2000
It's starting to get silly when you can't use any term for anything as you Risk eventually getting held hostage by the one person who takes umbridge at everything and everyone else is so paralysed by worry that they may be branded disrespectful that they agree with the one protagonist .
It's not disrespectful, it's not wrong and Exeter has got it absolutely right.

"..one person who takes umbrage at everything"? Quite a simplistic analysis of the situation, I'm afraid. Reduction ad absurdum in order to dismiss objections. Tut tut.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 01 August, 2020 08:54

Quote:
CharlieDog
Quote:
Exiled Falcon
Be proud of who you are Andy, whatever your reading and eating habits!
The name doesn’t bother me although I can see why it would be offensive. I suppose if a Native American team was called the Wisconsin Limeys and their mascot was a red faced, beer belied slob we’d be quite offended.

Of course we wouldn't!!!!! Apart from the odd snowflake. This is a perfect example of what RAFpilot so eloquently explained

As the loathsome @#$%& Tommy Robinson calls his opponents "snowflakes" I am very happy to be one.

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 01 August, 2020 22:00

Quote:
dick g
Quote:
CharlieDog
Quote:
Exiled Falcon
Be proud of who you are Andy, whatever your reading and eating habits!
The name doesn’t bother me although I can see why it would be offensive. I suppose if a Native American team was called the Wisconsin Limeys and their mascot was a red faced, beer belied slob we’d be quite offended.

Of course we wouldn't!!!!! Apart from the odd snowflake. This is a perfect example of what RAFpilot so eloquently explained

As the loathsome @#$%& Tommy Robinson calls his
opponents "snowflakes" I am very happy to be one.

For some reason, this forum doesn't like the standard abbreviated form of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Just so you know what I think Tommy Robinson is

Re: Exeter name
Posted by: Gray_Lensman (IP Logged)
Date: 03 August, 2020 11:53

The odd thing is that Exeter have decided to ditch their 'Big Chief' mascot.

So they acknowledge that there is something wrong or inappropriate with the mascot but not with all the rest of their cartoonish racism. Either brazen the whole thing out or change the lot. A part-way decision makes them look weaselly.

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