Current Page: 1 of 11
Thread for Sarries/salary venting
Posted by: AKWasp (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 10:44

And a £5m fine. All over Twitter, official announcement expected very soon



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 14/03/2020 03:51 by ukms.

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Al from Cov (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 10:51

They should also be stripped of all their titles. Happens in cycling, they have been cheating for years. Signing Daly was just the tip of the iceberg! What will be interesting is how many players they have to shift to get back under the cap, or will they take a pay cut...

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: neils (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 10:52

Quote:
Al from Cov
They should also be stripped of all their titles. Happens in cycling, they have been cheating for years. Signing Daly was just the tip of the iceberg! What will be interesting is how many players they have to shift to get back under the cap, or will they take a pay cut...

This. There needs to be an immediate levelling.

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Andy1210 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 10:53

Breaking in the press now too. [www.theguardian.com]

Totally agree they should be stripped of their Premiership titles - can't possibly be valid or legal trophies now.

Courts first though.

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Al from Cov (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:03

I doubt any of the players have relegation clauses. Could be seeing Farrell and Itoje etc in the championship next year! (Sm103)

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: neils (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:09

That lot of players if left intact will quickly clear the 35 points and rip up the Euros. They need ripping apart to match other teams now. Definitely legal action coming up quickly though.

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: DrHankPym(superhero) (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:10

Quote:
Al from Cov
I doubt any of the players have relegation clauses. Could be seeing Farrell and Itoje etc in the championship next year! (Sm103)

Not sure I get that, surely they'd be off as soon as (hypothetically) Sarries are relegated. Still reckon Irish will go down, which is saying something.

Anyway shame this doesn't affect our recent final/runner up result.



If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score? - Vince Lombardi

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Andy1210 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:13

At least it'll put an end to the 'you've got no proof (of the bleeding obvious)' posters from sarricheats.

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: will311293 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:14

Do we have any space in our salary cap? smiling smiley

hate to say it but this is the time where we could pilfer a few of their talented youngster or may be one/two senior players (unlikely).

Finally get Billy back ? [:wor kid:]

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: GeorgeTheWasp (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:17

Can't say I feel at all sorry for them and especially the fans who have claimed time and time again that they have not been doing anything wrong and everyone is on a witch hunt!

Huge amounts of happiness reading the reports this morning! Maybe we will get a level playing field once again!

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Danjester (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:26

Nothing on their offy yet, suspect they're getting legal advice before deciding next step.

Glad it's finally been dragged into the light and agree that anything won during the offending years should be voided. Not reallocated to the losing finalists, just left blank in the history books, as per Lance Armstrong.

They're not realistically under threat of relegation, but it's the maximum sanction that could be handed down AFAIK?

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: DrHankPym(superhero) (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:34

Has this finally been settled? I'd expect them to appeal (even go to Court of Arbitration if need be).

Reckon it'll drag on for a little while yet.



If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score? - Vince Lombardi

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Hangover (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:38

Definitely should be stripped of their Prem titles in those years relating to non-compliance.

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Worcswasp (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:38

Absolutely made my day

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Al from Cov (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:39

Statement on their website, we did nothing wrong, going to appeal blah blah blah

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Danjester (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:40

Also, are they under the cap for this season? If not can they expect a further fine?

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: neils (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:43

Quote:
Danjester
Also, are they under the cap for this season? If not can they expect a further fine?

Nope

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: neils (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 11:55

PREMIERSHIP RUGBY can confirm that an independent disciplinary panel has reached a decision in respect of charges brought against Saracens Rugby Club for alleged breaches of the Premiership Rugby Salary Cap.

The charges, which relate to the seasons 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19, were brought in June 2019 following a nine-month investigation by Premiership Rugby. In accordance with the Salary Cap Regulations, such charges are referred to the independent dispute service, Sport Resolutions, which appoints an Independent Panel to determine whether the alleged breaches have occurred and to decide any sanction.

The Independent Panel -which conducted a hearing over five days in September and October 2019 - was chaired by the Rt. Hon. Lord Dyson, who was joined on the panel by Aidan Robertson QC and Jeremy Summers. Lord Dyson was Master of the Rolls (President of the Court of Appeal of England and Wales and Head of Civil Justice) for four years until he retired in October 2016. He was a Justice of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom from April 2010 until October 2012.

The decision of the Independent Panel is that Saracens Rugby Club failed to disclose payments to players in each of the seasons 2016-17, 2017-18 and 2018-19. In addition, the Club is found to have exceeded the ceiling for payments to senior players in each of the three seasons. The Panel therefore upheld all of the charges.

The sanction that has been imposed on Saracens Rugby Club by the panel is:

a total fine of £5,360,272.31
and a total deduction of 35 league points.

The Salary Cap Regulations stipulate that a points deduction may be imposed in the current season (2019-20) only. The sanction has no bearing on any other domestic or European competition.

The Independent Panel rejected the Club’s challenge on competition law grounds to the validity of the Regulations. In setting out its conclusions, the Panel noted that the salary cap operates in a pro-competitive manner by promoting the objectives of ensuring the financial viability of Clubs, controlling inflationary pressures, providing a level playing field, ensuring a competitive league and enabling Clubs to compete in European competitions.

Under the Regulations, Saracens Rugby Club has the ability to seek a review of the decision by an arbitration body. The review can only be on the basis that there has been an error of law, the decision is irrational or that there has been some procedural unfairness. In the event that Saracens Rugby Club seeks a review, the sanctions will be suspended pending the outcome of that review.

A Premiership Rugby spokesperson said: "The Salary Cap is an important mechanism to ensure a level playing field for Premiership Clubs and maintain a competitive, growing and financially sustainable league. Today’s decision by the Independent Panel upholds both the principle of the Salary Cap and the charges brought following an extensive investigation by Premiership Rugby. We are pleased that this process has reached a conclusion and we look forward to another exciting season of Premiership Rugby.”

The Premiership Rugby Salary Cap Regulations were first introduced in 1999 and can be viewed at www.premiershiprugby.com/salarycap

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: WONKYWASP1 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 12:10

OH JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Saracens docked 35 points
Posted by: Hangover (IP Logged)
Date: 05 November, 2019 12:14

And they have Gloucester away this weekend - Oh I am sure the Shed will be very supportive !!!!!!

Current Page: 1 of 11
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
We record all IP addresses on the Sportnetwork message boards which may be required by the authorities in case of defamatory or abusive comment. We seek to monitor the Message Boards at regular intervals. We do not associate Sportnetwork with any of the comments and do not take responsibility for any statements or opinions expressed on the Message Boards. If you have any cause for concern over any material posted here please let us know as soon as possible by e-mailing abuse@sportnetwork.net