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Joe Worsley
Posted by: Warwickshire Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:07

Cov telegraph saying the rugby paper are speculating Worzel could be joining prior to next season.

Also stating a proper statement on Dai due next week.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: neils (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:37

TRP uses Worsley as a headline in an article saying Dai will cost us a fortune to leave, Alex King is not interested and Dave Walder is being spoken to. Nothing in it suggests we are in conversation with Worzel. Sadly.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Gaz (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:42

I wonder if in reality, like the Pochettino situation at Spurs, that they will continue to pay his salary until he finds another job - gardening leave.

If he gets the Ospreys or another job soon ten he'd be off our wage bill saving us lots of money.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Vespulavulgaris (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 09:44

Bearing in mind the Cov Tel was the paper who scooped the Dai situation in the first place, and TRP is well known for filling its pages with waffle based on forum gossip I know which I consider more reliable.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: neils (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 10:00

VV the CovTel is quoting TRP in this case. I actually think Fissler is one of the better rumour merchants but the article says Worsley could make a return before launching into the cost of Dai departing, the comment that King prefers to stay at Brive and that Wasps have expressed an interest in Dave Walder. It doesn't say anything about us speaking to Joe - I hope to hell we are though.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: westwaleswasp (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 11:10

Ospreys are skint, Dai would be hugely pay cut if he goes there.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: BlackheathSarrie (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 11:34

Quote:
westwaleswasp
Ospreys are skint, Dai would be hugely pay cut if he goes there.
If Wasps have to pay out his contract he'll be able to afford it.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: P T A W (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 11:52

Lots of speculation.
I think you will find Howley will be the man next season.
Pretty strong rumour sources suggesting interviewed last month.
Done deal!

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Andy1210 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 12:12

Quote:
P T A W
Lots of speculation.
I think you will find Howley will be the man next season.
Pretty strong rumour sources suggesting interviewed last month.
Done deal!

I hope not, Iíd rather have Dai to be honest.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: P T A W (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 12:30

Quote:
Andy1210
Quote:
P T A W
Lots of speculation.
I think you will find Howley will be the man next season.
Pretty strong rumour sources suggesting interviewed last month.
Done deal!

I hope not, Iíd rather have Dai to be honest.
I wouldnít build your hopes up then.
Personally donít see how we can be any worse off with Howley.
Personally wouldnít be my choice, though Iím willing to give who ever comes in the opportunity to start freshening things up and hopefully moving Wasps in the right direction.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: PhilH (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 12:52

Quote:
P T A W
Lots of speculation.
I think you will find Howley will be the man next season.
Pretty strong rumour sources suggesting interviewed last month.
Done deal!
Good heavens. Written off before he has even arrived!!

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: westwaleswasp (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 14:17

Quote:
BlackheathSarrie
Quote:
westwaleswasp
Ospreys are skint, Dai would be hugely pay cut if he goes there.
If Wasps have to pay out his contract he'll be able to afford it.
Which would presumably come down to the question of 'was he pushed, or did he go because the board would not back him'.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: P T A W (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 15:56

Quote:
PhilH
Quote:
P T A W
Lots of speculation.
I think you will find Howley will be the man next season.
Pretty strong rumour sources suggesting interviewed last month.
Done deal!
Good heavens. Written off before he has even arrived!!
Who has wrote who off before they arrive?

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: DBee (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 16:19

I think Joe would be a good choice for Head Coach. His defence back ground much needed too. Sounds like we are looking at a head coach and a DoR. Schmidt would be amazing at in a DoR looking at the overall vision of the club.

For the right person weíd be a great club to join. Underperforming and losing close games. Lots of young talent coming through and a new training facility on the way. I donít think weíll be short of applicants!

Biggest danger is in the short term for recruitment and retention. We havenít announced much so would be good to have clarity fast as Iím sure players might hold off signing on the dotted line until they see whatís happening.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: PhilH (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 16:35

Quote:
P T A W
Quote:
PhilH
Quote:
P T A W
Lots of speculation.
I think you will find Howley will be the man next season.
Pretty strong rumour sources suggesting interviewed last month.
Done deal!
Good heavens. Written off before he has even arrived!!
Who has wrote who off before they arrive?

Oops! Andy1210 written off Howley above!

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Boooo (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 18:21

I also donít think Rob Howley is Head Coach material.

The mere fact that he got himself into an illegal betting farce just before a hugely important World Cup tournament, despite unfortunate family circumstances, means he has some internal issues going on.
In my opinion, I donít think he has the strength of character or the skills to be a top notch Head Coach. Baxter, McCall, Lam, Boyd, Ackerman etc. I just donít think Rob has the skills to match these types of coaches.
And I havenít seen enough to think heís even an excellent attack coach.

I would prefer Walder, Worsley, King. More cerebral thinkers.
Iím sure Rob is a lovely guy, but (for me) he lacks the aura, the presence and strength to be a top notch Head Coach.

Just my opinion.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Hangover (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 18:23

Boooo +1

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: backdoc (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 19:25

"In my opinion, I donít think he has the strength of character or the skills to be a top notch Head Coach. Baxter, McCall, Lam, Boyd, Ackerman etc. I just donít think Rob has the skills to match these types of coaches. "

In 1997 Springbok lock Johan Ackermann received a two-year ban after nandrolone was found in his urine sample. Talking to Rugby World, the head coach of Super Rugbyís Lions explained that he had taken the banned substance on advice to help him recover from a knee injury.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Moorio_Wasp (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 19:55

I asked Fis on twitter if there was substance to the Worsley story and he says there is. Pinch of salt and all that.

Re: Joe Worsley
Posted by: Andy1210 (IP Logged)
Date: 16 February, 2020 20:25

I think, like in any job be it sport, business or elsewhere, the person you bring in has to have proven credentials to qualify them

So for me Rob Howley hasnít demonstrated anything that qualifies him for the job. Heís never lead a successful side without one of the dynamic duo of Edwards or Gatland. I know he kept Gatís seat warm with Wales but all the systems and selections were in place for him to pick up, and Gats was always there in the background anyway.

With Worzel, I think heís proven himself as a quality head and defence coach in the day in, day out grind of a league competition, so fits the bill.

Could be that Howley is brilliant but thereís nothing that points to that being a gamble worth taking, and we canít afford to get it wrong with our finances.

What we desperately need is someone who can take over the defence and build from there, bring in his own coaches and players and get rid of the dross that weíve accumulated. Worzel would be perfect for me.

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