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Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Saint Stokey (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 10:42

Ben Earl

So this has come around again. Earl is likely to want to be 1sty choice. This would be a great signing for us. Would provide cover/ options at 7 and 8. Means Gibson & Wood can focus on 6 with Earl, Ludlam and Harrison rotating between 7 & 8. We still have Coles, Tonks, Lawes who can all play 6 should Woody decide to call time on things.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: tedge (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 12:11

Can we even begin to compete with Bristol these days ?

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Abington Adam (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 12:15

Probably not when it comes to marquee signings, but for anyone else we should be able to, it all comes down to cap room.



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Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: St. Andy (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 12:32

With Eadie going and Woody carrying on being an unknown we do seem to be a bit short on numbers in the back row. Surely someone must be in the pipeline. Of course the rumour could always be someone seeing our apparent need and his apparent availability and putting the two together.
And of course itís brilliant for an agent to have a bidding war.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: smitferbrainz (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 12:42

How do Bristol afford all these players?

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Awaywin (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 12:48

I would imagine the number of long serving players are a lot fewer at Bristol. Imagine someone like Tom Wood who has been at the club a number of years, a club captain and an international is going to command significant wages and most likely increase contract on contract. Pat Lam did a pretty good job of explaining this.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: craig84 (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 13:15

seems a good solid player, not a huge 8 but intelligent and reads the game well.
with his potential and Boyd and co's coaching could be a great player for us, definitely worth it to me.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 13:23

Quote:
smitferbrainz
How do Bristol afford all these players?


Because the core of their squad are journeymen

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Saint Robert (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 13:28

They've also got 24 players out of contract at the end of this season so that must free up a few quid.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: St. Andy (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 13:33

Quote:
Saint Robert
They've also got 24 players out of contract at the end of this season so that must free up a few quid.
Yes but presumably they are going to need to keep a good many of them and if not they will need to sign replacements and they will need to be paid too. Plus those they are retaining will probably want a raise due to now being established in the Premiership.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: elegia (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 13:55

local paper article on how Bristol stay under the cap

most of our players are pick me ups from elsewhere that are improving (just as your youngsters are) with experience with a smattering of guys with proven track records
will be interesting to see how many are retained in a year or two



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Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 15:40

I would suspect that players wages follow some sort of bell curve.

Academy players (wandies)
Academy players (finge first team)
Junior first team
Good journey man
Senior (mid playing years) players
Current Internationals.

This is probably the max.

Senior players\ex internationals - approaching end of career
Final contracts for seniors - becomming more injury prone etc.

Obviously broad brush but listening to Hasks on the podcast where he was saying each renewal they tried to offer him less then I am sure there is something to it.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: JohnI (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 15:44

Quote:
smitferbrainz
How do Bristol afford all these players?

Simply put, they have the backing of Lansdowne and can probably spend up to the maximum within the cap without needing to concern themselves about where the other money is coming from in respect of ground refurbishment , equipment etc. A lot of other clubs wonít get near to the cap limit because they still need to balance the books elsewhere and not just player salaries.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 16:51

Quote:
JohnI
Quote:
smitferbrainz
How do Bristol afford all these players?

Simply put, they have the backing of Lansdowne and can probably spend up to the maximum within the cap without needing to concern themselves about where the other money is coming from in respect of ground refurbishment , equipment etc. A lot of other clubs wonít get near to the cap limit because they still need to balance the books elsewhere and not just player salaries.

As has been shown with Saracens, no one seems to know which clubs are close to the cap and those that are a long way short (Let alone those over), although, I do recall an article last year that seemed to have some form of insight and reckoned that Sale where the only club that where a good amount below the cap, although they seemed to have done their best recently to rectify that position.
I don't fully accept the Bristol argument of journeymen, young players etc. If that was the case then we must be considerably below the cap with the amount of newly promoted academy players.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 17:27

Furbank starting international

Lewis starting or bench

Moon, Dingwall and Mitchell international squad

Hutch international squad

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Deesaint (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 17:33

That doesnít make sense
If a player moves from academy to senior team he is paid a certain amount - wonít be high
If that player gets recognised by England during first year of senior team are you suggesting that their existing contract is ripped up and a new one involving much higher pay put in place

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Wilson Pickett (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 18:02

No I am just saying whenever they are next negotiated, it will be possibly double the current level or more. Mainly driven by demand from other clubs.


Of course this is rugby so we are all guessing

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 14 February, 2020 20:17

Or their contract had clauses for additional pay based on performance - such as getting an international cap.

These are the sorts of things that lead to accidental overspends on the cap.

Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Dragonboy (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2020 00:19

Quote:
Saint Tim
Or their contract had clauses for additional pay based on performance - such as getting an international cap.
These are the sorts of things that lead to accidental overspends on the cap.

The rules are fixed and known. Accidental overspends on the cap are irrelevant. An overspend is an overspend.

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Re: Ruck Rumour
Posted by: Saint Ted (IP Logged)
Date: 15 February, 2020 06:59

Which is why there is an overspend run over allowance of £350k

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