167 People required for for each match....


By Saint Ted
May 6 2020

World Rugby have today issued the guidelines for a return to play. This is an organic document, so expect it to change as the science evolves 

All of the documents can be found here at World Rugby

 

As of typing, I haven't read the whole document yet, but what did stand out to me is that it will take 167 people to get a match played and on TV.

 

Full list is...

Personnel

Number

Home team players

15

Visiting team players

15

Home team substitutes and bench support

11

Visiting team substitutes and bench support

11

Home team travelling reserves

3

Visiting team travelling reserves

3

Home team roving Doctor

1

Visiting team roving Doctor

1

Home team roving Physiotherapist

1

Visiting team roving Physiotherapist

1

Home team Technical box (water carriers)

2

Visiting team Technical box (water carriers)

2

Home team Coaches box

5

Visiting team Coaches box

5

Match Day Doctor

1

Immediate Care Lead

1

Medical room video viewer

1

Paramedics

6

Other medical specialists

2

Medical room video operator

1

Security guards

4

Referee

1

Assistant Referee

2

Side-line Referees, time keeper, statistics and communications

7

Television Match Official

1

Citing Commissioner

1

Ball team and ball team supervisor

7

Match Manager

1

Match Director

1

Administration

10

Broadcaster pitch-side crew (cameramen, line runners & floor manager)

20

Commentators

6

 

Outside broadcasting van

15

Stadium operations

8

Big screen and PA announcer

2

TOTAL

167

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167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Marching On (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 11:46

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Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Duckonstilts (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 13:05

Who are the ball team?

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saintly Pursuit (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 13:06

It's a bit of a strange list.

If it is for a game with spectators then it is missing things like turnstile operators, stewards etc. That would be a minimum. To make money then there would also need to be hospitality, shop and ticket office staff to also add in which would probably push the total well over 300.

If it is for a match without spectators then I would think that things like Stadium Announcer/Big Screen aren't needed and some of the things like Administration, Stadium Operations, Paramedics are overstated.

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saintly Pursuit (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 13:07

I'm guessing that they are the ballboys/girls plus their supervisor

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saint Ted (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 14:29

Quote:
Saintly Pursuit
It's a bit of a strange list.
If it is for a game with spectators then it is missing things like turnstile operators, stewards etc. That would be a minimum. To make money then there would also need to be hospitality, shop and ticket office staff to also add in which would probably push the total well over 300.

If it is for a match without spectators then I would think that things like Stadium Announcer/Big Screen aren't needed and some of the things like Administration, Stadium Operations, Paramedics are overstated.

I understand that this is for matches in empty stadiums.

At a guess, for the second part of your post...

Big screen is for the ref for TMO descisions
Stadium announcer more for emergency announcements than anything else
Administration/Stadium Operations would be the IT guys, catering, kitmen, that kind of thing
Paramedics, you would need more than one crew on site if the first one has to cart somebody off to the hospital

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Aberavon Wizard (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 16:49

I fully understand why they are looking at this but purely from my own point of view I am totally underwhelmed by the prospect of watching a game from an empty stadium either from the comfort of my sofa or from the slightly surreal prospect of a back car park.

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 18:21

The tv side is massively underplayed in the list. You have the pitch side crew, OB van and Match Director listed but there are far more people involved than that.

Inside an OB truck during a ‘normal’ match could be up to 30 people easily, so I appreciate if coverage is slimmed down those numbers will be too, but not by much. For me this is where there is a real issue as it will be impossible to socially distance yourself inside the truck.

I think I read/heard somewhere that it takes about 256 - 300 people to put on a televised footy match without spectators, so they’re possibly a bit low in their estimation.

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saint Tim (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 19:36

Quote:
Saint.Kenneth
The tv side is massively underplayed in the list. You have the pitch side crew, OB van and Match Director listed but there are far more people involved than that.
Inside an OB truck during a ‘normal’ match could be up to 30 people easily, so I appreciate if coverage is slimmed down those numbers will be too, but not by much. For me this is where there is a real issue as it will be impossible to socially distance yourself inside the truck.

I think I read/heard somewhere that it takes about 256 - 300 people to put on a televised footy match without spectators, so they’re possibly a bit low in their estimation.

One thing I know Sky are doing with football is that they have all the league grounds connected over fast fibre back to base and the capacity is such that they are now starting to do production at base. They can thus have the same director et al do more than one game during a day - plus there is no additional expenses to get them, the truck etc to the grounds. I presume the set up is also significantly simpler.

I can see this pushing that process down to the PRL.

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Hantsaintsrus4 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 20:45

Quote:
Aberavon Wizard
I fully understand why they are looking at this but purely from my own point of view I am totally underwhelmed by the prospect of watching a game from an empty stadium either from the comfort of my sofa or from the slightly surreal prospect of a back car park.

+1

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Christy (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 22:02

+ 1
how can anyone watch a team sport without supporters?
Its like theatre without the audience - whats the point?

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saintly Pursuit (IP Logged)
Date: 06/05/2020 23:28

The audience don't have the same input in the theatre.

In sport the "audience" is part of the experience. Whilst I agree that it won't be the same I would hope that the TV could be a little creative in providing supporter noise otherwise they are going to have to be extra careful about the language that they are almost inevitably going tp pick up from the players.

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: Saint.Kenneth (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2020 00:09

Quote:
Saint Tim

One thing I know Sky are doing with football is that they have all the league grounds connected over fast fibre back to base and the capacity is such that they are now starting to do production at base. They can thus have the same director et al do more than one game during a day - plus there is no additional expenses to get them, the truck etc to the grounds. I presume the set up is also significantly simpler.

I can see this pushing that process down to the PRL.

You are quite right Tim, NEP UK who provide the broadcast services for Sky's football, do indeed have two trucks, Kore and Juno, that cover the Championship Football in the way that you describe. They are much smaller trucks than a 'normal' OB truck but still have around 10 people inside an even smaller space! Added to those numbers are still the camera crew, sound crew, generator crew and others, all based at the ground, so easily around 30 crew in total (added to that are the commentators and reporters and even the onscreen talent if there is a studio at the ground). It's only the majority of the Sky staff, roles like Director, PA, Vision Mixer, Producers and VT that are now based at Sky, hence why the truck can be smaller. The Premier League is a much larger beast and is covered in the 'normal' way with the entire programme being made onsite and being sent by fibre and uplink back to the broadcaster as a complete package.

With regards to rugby, Telegenic who provide the broadcast services to BT Sport Rugby (big white trucks parked up near the entrance to FG from the car park) don't have any remote production trucks, where the production staff are back at base. I'm pretty certain that there isn't the fibre connectivity from the grounds either for such a way of working.

Where an OB firm is contracted by the broadcasters to provide technical facilities, it makes sense for the people working for the OB company to be onsite as that's where the equipment is and where things have to be setup and fixed should things go wrong.

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2020 08:11

There's discussion in football about playing in empty neutral venues, which some are potentially objecting to because it takes away the home-field advantage and therefore actually disadvantages those due to play "home" games.
Would an empty FG give much advantage to Saints? I mean, the ref would be missing thousands of assistants!

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: shendy (IP Logged)
Date: 07/05/2020 08:15

Why does the citing officer need to be at the game? Surely a lot of their job is reviewing things afterwards?

Re: 167 People required for for each match....
Posted by: ramseysaint (IP Logged)
Date: 08/05/2020 18:02

Quote:
Christy
+ 1
how can anyone watch a team sport without supporters?
Its like theatre without the audience - whats the point?

Sarries seem to manage every other week. smiling smiley

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