Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory


By Almo
September 14 2015

Carnegie beat a determined Rotherham side 20 – 11 in the Clifton Park sunshine to record an away win against opponents who beat us both home and away last season. The Carnegie team had been “shuffled” since last week, with last week’s replacements given a starting berth. With apologies to Hoover, this is what I call the Brush Rotation System.

Arriving at the ground – no easy feat as the Rotherham Show was also on at Clifton Park – it was good to see Fred “Eric” Burdon in the commentators’ roped-off area of the stand, alongside Gareth Jones. It was the Titan’s first match of the season at their spiritual home and for the second week running playing conditions wereabsolutely perfect for running rugby – but would we see any? 


The match started with what seemed to be a charitable gesture by the referee, a penalty for Carnegie in front of the posts and Leonard duly obliged with the kick, carrying on from the unerring accuracy of last week. Then Rotherham determination prevailed. Under pressure, we gave away a penalty that Roth kicked as a drop goal in their free play advantage. Then another penalty and we were losing 6 – 3. Scrums have at this point become huge affairs, with both sides locking horns and although Titans won one penalty, the scrums are pretty evenly matched. Other than scrums, the play was disjointed; both teams electing to kick-chase, but neither particularly good in the execution. So no pattern to the play, but then suddenly Lee Imiolek won the ball from Titans lineout, and Carnegie get a penalty. We kick for the corner, maul and Wacker gets over the line. Faultless kicking from Leonard means it is now 6 – 10. Lots of grunting and kicking but both sides are a little bit out of sorts with their back play and this remains the score at halftime. 


So is the brush halftime hairdryer experience needed this week? We have not been good but lead the scoreboard and our scrum is slowly but surely getting the upper hand. 


The second half starts in a similar cagey manner, but our ascendency in the scrum is growing to the point that we are taking them against the head. Nine minutes in, our props are “rewarded” for winning against the head by being replaced by Beech and Tideswell. Inevitably we get a scrum penalty, dead-eye dick makes it 13 – 6, we are now a converted try ahead. Time for changes (part of the BRS system, I think).Fitzpatrick comes on for Lucock and subsequently makes the only serious line-break of the game. It is also clear that our forward replacements are at least as strong, and a good deal fresher at this stage, than our starting forwards, something Titans cannot live with and our forward dominance increases. 


After 31 minutes the inevitable happens: we get a scrum penalty, kick to the corner, maul and Charlie Beech scores, making it 6 – 20 when the conversion is successful.We come close in the remaining minutes but it is Rotherham that score an unconverted try after a “crossing” that everyone in the ground saw except “Sir”. 


Final score 11 – 20 and what have we learnt? 
We are absolutely brilliant at mauling 
Our scrum is pretty good too 
Our backs lack the cohesion we have seen before, only Fitz made a line-break 
Our kick-chase needs more practice, too often we kicked too far ahead 
Leonard is a first-rate place kicker, if a bit predictable with ball-in-hand whether passing or kicking 
Despite perfect conditions for running rugby, no, we didn’t really see any 
Rotherham is not an easy place to win, but we have a team that can grind out wins 
We have a solid defence 
Our discipline was much improved from last week 
The high quality of our replacements really makes a difference at this level 
 
This Carnegie team is “Work in Progress” and today’s play was far from faultless but if we can win without playing to our potential, then we can only get better. 

Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
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Date: 14/09/2015 06:13

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Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 06:23

"Dead-eye Dick"?

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: farmertyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 07:48

Thanks Almo a witty read . Now what perplexes me is where is Mr Sinfield going to fit into this team that rarely gives the ball to the backs and when they do they kick it away. Answers please .

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: North needs success (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 07:59

Excellent and very accurate report Almo, thank you.

What is alluded to here and on other threads is our change in style. I have already said on another post it is something we are just going to have to get used to. We can't expect our backs to fire when they hardly see the ball I'm afraid and that was evident again yesterday.

You stated "Our kick-chase needs more practice, too often we kicked too far ahead". Spot on observation. I would add that the enthusiasm for the chase bit was somewhat lacking. I'll bet Stegman is wondering what he's come to. We've gone from being one of the most attack minded teams to quite the opposite. Bet that isn't what he signed up for - chasing up and unders all afternoon !

However, we can't have it both ways. It's clearly a case of results or entertainment so take your pick.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 10:11

Been reading the Roth forum - check this twaddle out: Bigger team won today, but the supporter don't get any better. The shed clapped every YC try ,conversion and penalty, but YC supporters did not once applaud the Rotherham Try or the penalties. Bad show from them. No wonder they do not get big crowds to their game with one dimensional game and with no plan B if that does not work.

Get to specsavers.

Then

Yes, we played all of the attractive rugby. Leeds mauled it for a while. Then they mauled it a bit more. Then they carried on mauling to the end.

They won. But it's hardly surprising that there were almost none of their supporters who bothered to make the short trip to watch them - it's not very exciting.


I've never seen so many new YC faces Roth (and there was a few of us there) - another one needing glasses. But I bet many won't go again as some of the Roth supporters are just plain obnoxious - it's not the most pleasant experience.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 10:56

I'm pleased to see Almo got his Vax straight.

I went to Clifton Lane when we played them between Christmas and New Year in 2006 and it was one of the most miserable afternoons I've spent, despite us winning. Couldn't see a thing, pitch was a mudheap and the death burger stall had run out by half time. I can't recall the fans being a problem but I have never felt inclined to return. The only good part was the pub across the road. Their supporters who post on Rolling Maul frequently moan about Headingley (usually referring to tumbleweed) and I would be the first to say that it can seem to be lacking in atmosphere (not to mention decent ale) but at least you can see what's happening on the pitch.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 11:13

I would like to add that I have no problem whatsoever with the Rotherham supporters. Of course they are boisterous when showing their support for their team, but that is their "job". To their credit they did give respectful applause when we scored.
I was wearing the Carnegie replica (home) kit and found nearby Roth supporters polite. On the way out I was stopped by a Roth supporter.....who wanted to give credit to our team, saying how much we had improved since last year.

Clearly Headingley and Clifton are like chalk and cheese and some people prefer the homely comforts to the big but nearly empty stadium environment and I respect their opinion.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: JohnnyP (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 12:10

Awful game yesterday, full of mistakes by both sides and very limited ambition. Maybe a better result than last year but not a patch on the year before. Have to say I was bored with the game. Is this playing style coaches orders or limitations in playing personnel? If it's the former don't know how many games I'll bother with.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 12:26

Well I, for one, am delighted.

Played 2, Won 2 and signs of intelligent in-game decision making i.e. the backs aren't functioning today so we'll keep it in the forwards and win the game that way.

Bodes well for a very successful season and I'm really looking forward to attending my first game.

Good write up Almo.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Griz66 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 12:27

The Roth supporters have a point about the attractive rugby. Their backs certainly looked more lively and their try was easily the best move of the game.
We are looking a little one dimensional. The ball was booted with such regularity I'm surprised it had any leather left on it at the end.
But then, who won.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: farmertyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 13:23

Well sadly I was not there. They do a very good cow pie and peas possibly better than Donny cow pie. Anyway I have always found the Roth fans fine.Apart from that is, when I caused The Judasgate incident. 😱

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: North needs success (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 13:28

Certainly not limitation in playing personnel, JohnnyP. I think we have one of the best if not the best back lines in the division if they are given consistent ball. I hear what you are saying about playing style and it does concern me that many others will think the same. I'm hoping that the entertainment balance may reset itself but I'm not holding my breath having listened to Brush's comments in post match interview.

When it comes to play off time you have to have more than a big pack and a rolling maul in your armoury - ask Bristol !

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 14:11

That may be, but you have to get there first.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 14:55

Quote:
farmertyke
They do a very good cow pie and peas possibly better than Donny cow pie. ;

Much better than Donnie's and yesterday's was one of the best ever!

What annoys me with their fans is they can dish it out but not take it. Nowt against them but don't give banter if you don't want any back - especially of the pot, kettle & black variety!

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Rocky (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 17:37

To be honest I don't give 2 @#$%& about attractive rugby at the moment, we are at the start of a season and I want us to be able to win.

We know Roth are not fans of ours for numerous reasons, another thing I'm not bothered about. The team are behind Brush and buy into him (a change from last year) and we have a dominant pack who will give the backs the chance when they are up to speed.

9 points from 2 games is brilliant for us and we'd have taken it. I can guarantee you this, if Roth had got the win from mauling they wouldn't be complaining.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Carnegiette1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 19:52

Exactly Rocky. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 20:10

Yep,

Exactly right Rocky

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Madtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 22:30

Shockingly I actually applauded a good Roth clearance kick and had some friendly banter with other Roth fans. As for fellow YC supporters, I saw plenty of them there and I would agree that the Cow pie was far better than Donny's.

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Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 22:49

I always favour the curry and chips at Donny.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Carnegiette1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/09/2015 23:28

My main gripe about Roth is I think £19 is a lot of money to get in. Plus programme (£2?)

The pitch looked in great nick ( think it was their first game there?)

And the sign outside calling us "Carnegie" makes me smile.

We know we'll always have a tough game there- I'm just happy to get the win, however it was achieved.

On to Ealing!

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: farmertyke (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 07:49

Well I think be happy with 9 points......where and how is the gifted Mr Sinfield going to fit into our backs.... He is not going to be too chuffed if he never gets the ball and it would be a huge waste of a great talent.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 12:22

On the radio after the game BR said that Sinfield, along with Joel Hodgson, would be providing competition at 10.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Beeston Lion (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 14:24

My feeling is that we are just going for the winning points at this stage to establish a positive feeling in the camp as well as building up our position in the league. After this we can start looking at the expansive game and letting the backs loose. I know that this is an approach which finds favour with me, especially after all we have endured in recent campaigns!

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: yeldor (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 14:35

Walking out of Clifton Lane with a win felt a whole lot better than a loss . Too many of them in the past . The wins the thing .

sent off carried off never backed off

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 14:56

A win was pretty much essential given our name change and new board. The style of winning was immaterial - that can come later.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 17:06

I agree. It is far too early to start worrying about our style of play. Getting points under our belt is paramount. The stylish rugby will come. All in good time.

(Sm134)

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: kinghymie (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 17:59

Thanks, Almo, for your accurate and droll review. When I think of the starts I've seen over the last few years (remember the game against Donny?!), this is a great start.
This year our forwards seem a lot stronger and more resilient than before. Once we have a few more wins under our belt, I expect to see more of our backs.
Two wins and 7 tries in first 2 matches. A solid start - green shoots definitely appearing.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: ellishicks (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 18:30

"When I think of the starts I've seen over the last few years (remember the game against Donny?!)"
I'm afraid it goes back a lot further than that Hymie! The London double header, against Glaws etc etc. So let's be cheerful that we're where we want to be and things are looking up again.
I'm not sure what some posters are getting at though. Clearly not the execution-squad for anyone who lets the ball get as far as the #10 style of play under Back and 'bring-the-touch-line-in 5 meters-on-either-side'. All the good Prem sides use their centres and will go for the jugular with the back 3 if they spot a mis-match or lack of numbers. Style isn't an add-on, there's no option to play a 10-man game anymore.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: Tassigny74 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 20:21

I'm not sure what some posters are getting at though. Clearly not the execution-squad for anyone who lets the ball get as far as the #10 style of play under Back and 'bring-the-touch-line-in 5 meters-on-either-side'. All the good Prem sides use their centres and will go for the jugular with the back 3 if they spot a mis-match or lack of numbers. Style isn't an add-on, there's no option to play a 10-man game anymore.[/quote]

I disagree on this the prem has teams playing different styles , some (bath) are playing
the sort of rugby we have tried to play under de & jlo , others are more structured ( or boring depending on your point of view). in the championship most of the successful teams (promotion wise) have opted for big packs ,safety first grind em down rugby imo.
We are making a real effort to get promoted before the new boards money runs out so that's the path we have chosen.

The next game would be a chance for us to play with some more width no disrespect to ealing but we should be too strong for them.

Re: Brush rotation system sweeps to away victory
Posted by: JDH (IP Logged)
Date: 15/09/2015 21:51

Not sure what roth are complaining about. The kings of the 12 man maul. They did it again on sunday in the 1st half.
I enjoyed the game to be honest. I liked not giving away pens and our players rolling away. The pitch looked great and where i was stood was a little sun trap, lovely.
Winning is what matters

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