The state of the game


By WPL
July 4 2019

It’s been an eventful summer one way for us, but in a way outside our bubble the game is changing around us, some may say for the better, I personally say for the worse...

This time next year we could have a 13 team premiership, no promotion/relegation between the premiership / championship or indefinitely/fixed for 3 years or maybe via a play off. The rich will be getting richer the rest will be getting left further and further behind.

Oh for times of old when money did not come into the sport we know and love, but that boat has surely sailed already, the vast injection of capital into the premiership has assured that. The news of Leicester up for sale for the right investor just compounds that – what they are basically asking for is a rich oil sheik or Russian oligarch to come in and bank roll them. Sale currently are backed by an investment group that will want out at some point, Sarries…best not to speculate, Bath are bank rolled already, the list goes on.

How long until some football style agents come sniffing and players go for transfer fees with a more than healthy cut for the agent – headlines made as players become unsettled, a battle between the richest of English clubs and the richest of French clubs, the European cup disappears to be replaced with a European super league….sound familiar…it’s getting all a bit like football and we know where that spot is now. I used to be a Man City season ticket holder (before they got rich) and now other than checking their results I will not go out of my way to watch any football.

In a way the management of the game reflects this, the old RFU/Football league/FA trying to work alongside a slick and professional outfit PRL/Premier League – there is a distinct balance of power.

So where does this leave us, actually not us but any team in the championship, last year our budget was £2.3M (according to the information from the board link) one of the largest if not the largest in the division outside London Irish. What did they have, who knows but I suspect we are talking multiples of our budget.

But what it does suggest is that the £7M a premiership shareholder is going to get is pretty much going to ensure that the gap is widening all the time – can it be bridged only time will tell, how big a benefactor are you going to need? I wonder if Mr Abramovich fancies trying his hand at a different sport or if anyone has Mr Ineos’ phone number???

All this leads back to the ring-fencing debate, not important to use for the foreseeable – in effect the premiership is ring fenced, it’s just one team gets to play at new grounds for a year!

Having said that ring fencing could be our saviour, if rumours are to be believed then a 13 team premiership may lead to no relegation from the championship for a year…if we lose the £550k we get from the RFU then I believe it will be terminal for the club. As it stands we must be odds on favourites to go down next year – so it could be our only way we have a club going forward.

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The state of the game
Posted by: TykesRugby.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 08:23

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Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 08:50

I'm predicting a top 6 finish

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 09:09

Yes, but for which team?

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 09:13

I always predict s top 6 finish. Not been wrong yet in 7 yesrs

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 11:53

The last paragraph illustrates just what a pickle we are in. If the prem is ring-fenced then we survive. (Sm124)

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Tower (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 12:21

Is anyone in know regarding season tickets?

Or is that just being daft at this stage?

To be honest will we have a starting lineup?

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 14:16

Got to have a team to pay to watch Tower.

Carnegiette and I met up last night and chewed the cud over all things YC, tickets being one topic of conversation. Everything came back to how are we going recruit a full-time and part-time coach and squad and get them ready to play matches in just over two months?

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 14:54

When you apply for a season ticket you have to prove that you have a pair of boots & are available to play.

(Sm134)



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Re: The state of the game
Posted by: WPL (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 15:27

Quote:
Wildwillie
When you apply for a season ticket you have to prove that you have a pair of boots & are available to play.
(Sm134)

I believe that gets you a 10% discount

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 15:48

Oh ye of little faith - I'm sure a Cunning Plan will emerge......but haven't a clue what it might be.

(Sm100)

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 17:26

I think the will be plenty of decent players about who will want to play for us and plenty of coaches who want to prove themselves. There will be supporters who sit and stand in the same place and moan about the same things.Come September things will be pretty much the same just different faces.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 19:02

A good peice WDL (Should it be WPL? or is it someone else?)

For me, this whole episode feels like when you've messed up at work and got away with it. You're relieved cos you got away with it but you still feel@#$%&because you know you did it.

Personally, and unfortunately, I don't think we're out of the woods yet and as I haven't really got much positive to say regarding next season, I'm saying nowt.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 19:16

Yes a point I forgot to make: excellent article WDL.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: WPL (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 19:40

Quote:
leemingtyke
A good peice WDL (Should it be WPL? or is it someone else?)
For me, this whole episode feels like when you've messed up at work and got away with it. You're relieved cos you got away with it but you still feel@#$%&because you know you did it.

Personally, and unfortunately, I don't think we're out of the woods yet and as I haven't really got much positive to say regarding next season, I'm saying nowt.

Yes it was me 👍

I genuinely believe our fate will come down to the relegation / ring fencing decision. That said never say never whilst I wish what has happened to us on no one I would say there are a couple of clubs who rely on fragile sources of income.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 19:59

Even better article WPL.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 04/07/2019 20:20

Yeah I agree. As you said, I think we're nailed on favourites to go down unless they scrap relegation.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 11:11

Quote:
leemingtyke
A good peice WDL (Should it be WPL? or is it someone else?)
Well spotted Leeming. I am blaming my tools - trying out a new email client and the font is not compatible with the one I like to use. Copy & pasting is pants as you saw.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 13/07/2019 19:14

My view is that rugby is a minority sport, football captures nearly all the young stars, stadium attendances and TV viewers. We need to accept that.
What is worrying for me is the "fast buck" that up and coming sports are tempted to accept from pay TV. This is a particular danger at present due to the CVC predatorial behaviour (think shark or pike). They are only paying cash into our sport because they believe they can make money by selling Tv rights to the highest bidder.
My worry is that rugby becomes a similar victim to cricket and that youngsters and grass-roots players never get to see high levels of the sport on Tv unless their family already subscribe: a way to make rugby even more exclusive.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Bran (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2019 08:54

I came up with this theory last year when all the trouble first started for Carnegie.

About November 2018 we bought a mass of over-seas players and 4 months later the money dried up. I have 2 suggestions.

1. The investors know ring fencing is almost here and there is no point putting money into anything that will not give a return, why invest 2 million into a club that will never be allowed more exposure than the 5-800 people in the crowd and sell 15 tops?

2. Leeds rugby have spent 40 million on a stadium, has 2 teams that are on the brink of relegation and are looking to clear the debt so they can carry on.

Rugby Union is digging itself into a very dark place, the way the elite game is running they will only have a player base from about a third of England as the game will shrink in the North, the England teams and network will slowly dry up and will become like the English football team lucky to make a qtr final at any high standard cup competition. Eddie Jones may have a bit of a resurgence, but I expect it to be short lived, lets face it last 6 nations we started fantastically but the players aren't good enough when the pressure is on.

The RFU is investing millions into women's rugby, very admiral, however it needs to do the same at the lower leagues if the men's game is going to continue at a top level. Twickenham is becoming a stadium frequented by corporate sales only and as Stuart Lancashire said, you have to expand the access to the children and rest of the country if you hope to compete with countries the size of the USA.

Unfortunately Britain is a county of get rich quick off the back of someone else and run a mile.

Re: The state of the game
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2019 16:12

Leeds rugby have spent 5 million on the stadium, the rest will be paid in instalments over 25 years. Yorkshire cricket will be paying a fair chunk of the balance too.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.



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Re: The state of the game
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2019 19:22

I think that the balanced point of view is that Leeds Rhinos need to escape relegation for the finances to work. The really low (2 million) salary cap in RL means that they have to jettison stars in order to get some headroom to recruit others.

Tricky times but I wish them the best in avoiding relegation as they represent Leeds as a (normally) successful affaire.

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