FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Underhill; character
By PG Tips
December 8 2021
Bath’s next fixture, against Leinster in the Heineken Cup could descend into farce in Dublin’s fair city on Saturday. Bath, winless and out of sorts, with an injury crisis impacting half their squad, face the URC’s top side, 4 times winners of the Cup. Leinster can call on 9 of Ireland’s victorious starting XV against the All Blacks last month, while Bath must manage without their Lions and first choice half backs. Their prospects look decidedly iffy on the banks of the Liffey.
One small ray of hope for Bath is Leinster’s own casualty list. 4 iconic players, Healy, Ryan, Conan and Captain Sexton are classed as “requiring further assessment” as they recover from a variety of injuries and are unlikely to be risked. In addition, internationals Leavy and Gibson-Park have only just returned to training. Their integration should however be smooth, if fit enough to feature. The Dubliners can still call on an all-Ireland front row, backed up by national team- mates Toner, Doris and van der Flier. Behind them, Ross Byrne should prove a capable deputy for Sexton, to bring the best out of an international backline blessed with power, pace and penetration. Bath by contrast could be forced to field an inexperienced backline without even a specialist fly half.
Injury disruption contributed to Bath’s hapless performance last weekend against Northampton Saints but was only part of the story. Once again Bath’s defence was too narrow, the pack, though improved, could not dominate (except in one area) and was outwitted at the breakdown. While Saints attacks sparkled with slick handling and support play, Bath’s were laboured, reliant on defiance and driving mauls for headway and scores.
Defiance and determination look like Bath’s best hope of coming away from Dublin with dignity and bodies intact. While their spirit cannot be questioned, nor the promise of the youngsters who are having to step up, the gulf in experience and cohesion looks stark. It will be a daunting task in front of 50,000 baying for early Christmas cheer. Horror show comes to mind as much as farce.
Next week fans should hear “further detail of the review and …..actions arising.” Hopefully there are more recommendations and more planned remedies than we have heard so far. If not, with La Rochelle, a resurgent Gloucester and Exeter the next visitors to the Rec, it is hard to see where a win will come from this year.
Sam Underhill in a post-match interview spoke of “digging in”, pride and belief. His own performances epitomise all three. The road to recovery starts with character. There should be plenty of chances for Bath to show theirs on Saturday.
Possible Teams:
Bath Rugby: Boyce, Dunn, Stuart, Ewels (Capt.) McNally, Ellis, Underhill, Bayliss. Fox, Bailey. Muir, Ojomoh, Butt, Rokodoguni. De Glanville.
Replacements:, Du Toit, Cordwell, Rae, W Spencer, De Carpentier. Green, Worboys, Hamer-Webb.
Leinster: Porter, Kelleher, Furlong, Toner, Moloney, Doris, van der Flier, Deegan. Gibson-Park, R Byrne. Lowe, Henshaw, Ringrose, Larmour. Keenan.
Replacements: Byrne, Sheehan, Ala’alatoa, Baird, Leavy. McGrath, Frawley, O’Loughlin.
FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 08:47
Well 3 days out the bookies give Leinster a 32 point handicap which doesn't sound too promising. Bath 66-1 in a 2 horse race. Irrespective of the score, if we leave Dublin with no serious injuries I will be content.
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 09:20
“Their prospects look decidedly iffy on the banks of the Liffey”
Classic!
Classic!
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 10:03
Fantastic opportunity to try to recruit Mr Lancaster, I reckon we need some incriminating evidence though as probably blackmail is the only thing that might work!
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 10:40
Definitely a behind the sofa viewing prospect.
That said, all the very best good wishes to the boys in BB&W as ever. Bit of an Heny V Agincourt speech type scenario?
That said, all the very best good wishes to the boys in BB&W as ever. Bit of an Heny V Agincourt speech type scenario?
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 11:26
Quote:annie blackthorn
Definitely a behind the sofa viewing prospect.
That said, all the very best good wishes to the boys in BB&W as ever. Bit of an Heny V Agincourt speech type scenario?
Charlie Ewels on a horse would be handy, but that is a fair point, time for what senior players are left in the team to go to the next level in terms of leadership on the pitch. Unfortunately there may well be opportunities to talk to the players under the posts, let's use it.
If Leinster get 30 points up (I refuse to say when) there is a chance they will back off slightly and we need to take any opportunity. Be professional, never give up.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 11:28
We should do a deal no more than 60 points and we won't injure any of them!
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 11:32
Quote:BathMatt53
Well 3 days out the bookies give Leinster a 32 point handicap which doesn't sound too promising. Bath 66-1 in a 2 horse race. Irrespective of the score, if we leave Dublin with no serious injuries I will be content.
Realistically that's the only realistic outcome we can hope for. If they score less than 50pts then Bath will have done well.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 11:35
Chron Whatsapp claiming Spencer, McConnochie, Joseph and McNally may all recover in time to be selected. Also Orlando Bailey expected to be fit.
If all are fit then the picture changes - but a steep challenge remains.
PG
If all are fit then the picture changes - but a steep challenge remains.
PG
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 11:41
Did Prydie and Venter join immediately? I know we should be giving them time to integrate but better to have them available than not.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 11:41
Quote:P G Tips
Chron Whatsapp claiming Spencer, McConnochie, Joseph and McNally may all recover in time to be selected. Also Orlando Bailey expected to be fit.
If all are fit then the picture changes - but a steep challenge remains.
PG
Doesn't make sense to risk them in a game that's impossible for Bath to win. Better save them for La Rochelle at home where there is at least a minimal chance of winning given that French sides traditionally don't travel too well.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2021 19:22
I agree OB, I wouldn't rush anyone back/take any risks.
A decent showing against la rochelle and then into a very important run of league games (important in that they feel potentially winnable and may lift the gloom a little).
Appreciate some may hope we keep getting walloped every week to force people's hand but personally don't see any changes now over and above defence coach so I am getting behind them all.
A decent showing against la rochelle and then into a very important run of league games (important in that they feel potentially winnable and may lift the gloom a little).
Appreciate some may hope we keep getting walloped every week to force people's hand but personally don't see any changes now over and above defence coach so I am getting behind them all.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: LSAR (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 08:12
Its going to be a Leinster team that is well coached have a great setup and chock full of internationals the lads will be facing.. so lets not get all maudlin (or any more maudlin)after the game. Even if we were at full strength and top four in the prem it would be a real ask to go there and get anything.
So absolutely no point in rushing back any players not 100%.
If we can score a couple of well worked tries, no more injuries and keep it to less than 20 point point difference I'd be very happy.
So absolutely no point in rushing back any players not 100%.
If we can score a couple of well worked tries, no more injuries and keep it to less than 20 point point difference I'd be very happy.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 08:50
Like I said - quite a nice game for Hoops and his management team providing they keep the score within the 2 digit bracket! there is actually no pressure as I think every "man and his dog" has Bath being thrashed playing an International team on an International pitch within an International Stadium - Leinster must be favourites for the competition along with the French galaticos. Europe has become a very unfair playground for the English clubs and our salary cap and like I have said before is one of many things we mimic from football namely the Champions League.
Our only hope is that Leinster are over confident (who can blame them) and we keep it reasonable - my concern is that they won't as this is the first game and we all know the importance of getting a flying start and their coaching team are too shrewd and switched on to allow that to happen.
As long as we do not pick up any serious injuries I am not actually bothered about the score because it counts for nothing in our current predicament what I do seriously care about is player welfare.
Our only hope is that Leinster are over confident (who can blame them) and we keep it reasonable - my concern is that they won't as this is the first game and we all know the importance of getting a flying start and their coaching team are too shrewd and switched on to allow that to happen.
As long as we do not pick up any serious injuries I am not actually bothered about the score because it counts for nothing in our current predicament what I do seriously care about is player welfare.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 09:05
Given what's happening with omicron in the UK, I think there's a pretty good chance the game won't be played.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: BBWBaaBaa (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 09:57
"Given what's happening with omicron in the UK, I think there's a pretty good chance the game won't be played".
We can only hope.......
With respect for all those who have suffered seriously during this Pandemic.
We can only hope.......
With respect for all those who have suffered seriously during this Pandemic.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 09:59
Come on lads. We want it, you want, go and get it.
Unless you don't want it, if that's the case then please leave the club.
It's time to stand up and be counted. Take control and play your own way. Ignore the coaches if you have too.
Unless you don't want it, if that's the case then please leave the club.
It's time to stand up and be counted. Take control and play your own way. Ignore the coaches if you have too.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: cb2 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 10:28
Small targets need to be set and achieved. An improvement in the defence outwide would be a good one to go for this match.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: OldMarovian (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 11:02
I have a quid on a rather unlikely 100-1 draw. C'mon you Bath!!
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: woodpecker (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 11:03
Quote:BBWBaaBaa
"Given what's happening with omicron in the UK, I think there's a pretty good chance the game won't be played".
We can only hope.......
With respect for all those who have suffered seriously during this Pandemic.
I recall something about 28-0 or is that just prem?
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 11:30
Quote:woodpeckerQuote:BBWBaaBaa
"Given what's happening with omicron in the UK, I think there's a pretty good chance the game won't be played".
We can only hope.......
With respect for all those who have suffered seriously during this Pandemic.
I recall something about 28-0 or is that just prem?
No that's right Woody, Scarlets just conceded 28-0 bonus point win.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 12:02
Vincent Koch just signed for Wasps. Could have done with him at Bath.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: Old Bath Tub (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 16:12
Quote:Bath Blues
Vincent Koch just signed for Wasps. Could have done with him at Bath.
Wonder if Bath approached him ?
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 16:56
I remember when Leinster played a very young team against Bath when they were already out of the cup, Bath still needed a win to get through IIRC, and they beat us very convincingly. Wouldn't it be nice if we could return the favour in a similar manner.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 09/12/2021 22:46
I think that was Ringrose's debut? He was excellent. That was a cold one!
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:00
Team up.Spencer fit.
Bath Rugby team to play Leinster Rugby
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Will Butt, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Jacques du Toit, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Richard de Carpentier, 8 Josh Bayliss
Replacements
16 Tom Dunn, 17 Arthur Cordwell, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Ewan Richards, 21 Joe Simpson, 22 Gabriel Hamer-Webb, 23 Tom Prydie
P G Tips
Jaco Coetzee: my adopted Player, 2023-24.
Bath Rugby team to play Leinster Rugby
15 Tom de Glanville, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Will Butt, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Orlando Bailey, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Lewis Boyce, 2 Jacques du Toit, 3 Will Stuart, 4 Josh McNally, 5 Charlie Ewels ©, 6 Tom Ellis, 7 Richard de Carpentier, 8 Josh Bayliss
Replacements
16 Tom Dunn, 17 Arthur Cordwell, 18 D’Arcy Rae, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Ewan Richards, 21 Joe Simpson, 22 Gabriel Hamer-Webb, 23 Tom Prydie
P G Tips
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:00
Teams Up:
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:03
Callow Leinster side, barely more than a dozen Internations / Lions etc.
Starting Porps:
1. Andrew Porter (81)
3. Tadhg Furlong (117)
Bench porps:
17. Cian Healy (237)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (6)
Leinster Rugby v Bath (caps in brackets):
15. Hugo Keenan (35)
14. Jordan Larmour (66)
13. Garry Ringrose (91)
12. Ciarán Frawley (41)
11. James Lowe (56)
10. Ross Byrne (110)
9. Jamison Gibson-Park (105)
1. Andrew Porter (81)
2. Rónan Kelleher (29)
3, Tadhg Furlong (117)
4. Ross Molony (122)
5. Ryan Baird (33)
6. Rhys Ruddock (195) CAPTAIN
7. Josh van der Flier (103)
8. Caelan Doris (44)
Replacements:
16. Dan Sheehan (18)
17. Cian Healy (237)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (6)
19. Devin Toner (270)
20. Max Deegan (70)
21. Luke McGrath (157)
22. Jimmy O’Brien (37)
23. Tommy O’Brien (12)
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Starting Porps:
1. Andrew Porter (81)
3. Tadhg Furlong (117)
Bench porps:
17. Cian Healy (237)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (6)
Leinster Rugby v Bath (caps in brackets):
15. Hugo Keenan (35)
14. Jordan Larmour (66)
13. Garry Ringrose (91)
12. Ciarán Frawley (41)
11. James Lowe (56)
10. Ross Byrne (110)
9. Jamison Gibson-Park (105)
1. Andrew Porter (81)
2. Rónan Kelleher (29)
3, Tadhg Furlong (117)
4. Ross Molony (122)
5. Ryan Baird (33)
6. Rhys Ruddock (195) CAPTAIN
7. Josh van der Flier (103)
8. Caelan Doris (44)
Replacements:
16. Dan Sheehan (18)
17. Cian Healy (237)
18. Michael Ala’alatoa (6)
19. Devin Toner (270)
20. Max Deegan (70)
21. Luke McGrath (157)
22. Jimmy O’Brien (37)
23. Tommy O’Brien (12)
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:06
Underhill…. rested?
Strange team. Wafer thin bench. Anything under 50 conceded will be a huge result. Injuries etc aside, what a state of affairs.
Strange team. Wafer thin bench. Anything under 50 conceded will be a huge result. Injuries etc aside, what a state of affairs.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:16
Glad they've rested Underhill. Strong team given we must know we've no chance of a win on Sat or progressing in the competition. I'm glad as wouldn't want youngsters just 'sacrificed' as happened at Kingsholm. Given the injuries we have can't see they could field anything much stronger and most sides would look poor in comparison with what Leinster can put out.
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:23
Quote:TomReagan
I'm glad as wouldn't want youngsters just 'sacrificed' as happened at Kingsholm.
I think that's a slightly skewed view of what happened. The Prem Cup was supposed to be a developmental competition so sides should be playing young teams. Gloucs just went harder with a pretty-much full strength starting team.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:27
To a degree. Glos went quite strong for understandable reasons. I think you look to field your development players but with a few experienced players in key positions. Most pundits said with the pack we put out we were always going to get hammered so not much of a chance for the backs to do anything but tackle.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:45
Where is Underhill?
No 10 cover again and now no back row cover either. We are going to get mullered at the breakdown with that lineup.
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No 10 cover again and now no back row cover either. We are going to get mullered at the breakdown with that lineup.
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:48
Quote:malco
Where is Underhill?
No 10 cover again.
Rested? To keep in one piece for more important games
No one fit or ready? Can't put Warboys etc. in front of that lot can you?
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:51
Going to get mullered everywhere I would imagine.
Tbf still wouldn't be even vaguely confident if we had our best available 23 which I guess may include beno, coetzee, faletau, underhill, cips, jj, rmc, watson.
I think that says it all about out front 5 options- only missing 1 player of note and fully expect them to get taken to pieces.
Tbf still wouldn't be even vaguely confident if we had our best available 23 which I guess may include beno, coetzee, faletau, underhill, cips, jj, rmc, watson.
I think that says it all about out front 5 options- only missing 1 player of note and fully expect them to get taken to pieces.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:53
Lost track of who's available and who isn't but who is left to cover 10 if Cips and Schoemann out? Guess Spencer or TDG to 10. Back row-Ewels might move there? Given Underhill has to be rested at some point which game does he miss? SU aside, who should be picked that's been left out please (And it's a game we won't win).
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 12:58
So then, missing...
Obano
Schoeman J
Jonker
WIlliams
Underhill
Coetzee
Reid
Faletau
Cipriani
Schoeman C
Clark
Redpath
Joseph
Cokanasiga
McConnochie
Watson
Obano
Schoeman J
Jonker
WIlliams
Underhill
Coetzee
Reid
Faletau
Cipriani
Schoeman C
Clark
Redpath
Joseph
Cokanasiga
McConnochie
Watson
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:02
Cheers! So Underhill aside I can't see who else we could've picked, the rest being unavailable.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:06
Quote:malco
So then, missing...
As said above, I don;t think it really matters this weekend.
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Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:22
Richards will be fine to cover backrow- plays 6 for eng u20s (tho who goes to 8 if bayliss goes off I don't know).
Mojo made an OK fist of it at 10 last week. Wonder if spencee going there was the original plan but he was off himself by then.
Agree matt, I think availability only makes a slight diff this week to margin of defeat.
I am not sure jonker is out, just not v good at rugby from the limited times we have seen him
Mojo made an OK fist of it at 10 last week. Wonder if spencee going there was the original plan but he was off himself by then.
Agree matt, I think availability only makes a slight diff this week to margin of defeat.
I am not sure jonker is out, just not v good at rugby from the limited times we have seen him
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:23
I imagine that with all fit and available our starting team tomorrow would be something like:
1. Obano
2. Dunn
3. Stuart
4. Ewels
5. McNally
6. Coetzee
7. Underhill
8. Faletau
9. Spencer
10. Cipriani
11. Watson
12. Redpath
13. Joseph
14. Cokanasiga
15. De Glanville
16. Du Toit
17. Boyce
18. Rae
19. Spencer
20. Bayliss
21. Fox
22. Schoeman
23. McConnochie
That would leave players including Reid, Bailey, Ojomoh and Muir kicking their heels. When you look at it like that the squad depth, in theory, is actually pretty impressive. Unfortunately theory doesn't translate to reality.
Is this really Stuart Hooper's fault?
1. Obano
2. Dunn
3. Stuart
4. Ewels
5. McNally
6. Coetzee
7. Underhill
8. Faletau
9. Spencer
10. Cipriani
11. Watson
12. Redpath
13. Joseph
14. Cokanasiga
15. De Glanville
16. Du Toit
17. Boyce
18. Rae
19. Spencer
20. Bayliss
21. Fox
22. Schoeman
23. McConnochie
That would leave players including Reid, Bailey, Ojomoh and Muir kicking their heels. When you look at it like that the squad depth, in theory, is actually pretty impressive. Unfortunately theory doesn't translate to reality.
Is this really Stuart Hooper's fault?
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:30
Depends if they actually win games or not Malco..
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:42
Quote:by
Depends if they actually win games or not Malco..
We'll never know sadly. This team will never play together. I don't expect Obano, Faletau, Cipriani, Joseph, Boyce, Rae and Schoeman to be here next season.
Re: FAIR CITY OR FARCE CITY? LEINSTER V BATH. Team Up!
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 13:50
It has been said by many before - on paper our squad looks good and we should not be in the position we are even with the injuries we have suffered and to be fair we have put out teams this season that look good and should have been competitive but that has not translated on the pitch - so the question is WHY?
In the current environment and even with the team Malco has posted above there is no guarantee they would perform and if we are brutally honest when we have put out a team very close to the above over the past 2 seasons and they have flattered to deceive on many occasions.
I would say something is wrong somewhere?
In the current environment and even with the team Malco has posted above there is no guarantee they would perform and if we are brutally honest when we have put out a team very close to the above over the past 2 seasons and they have flattered to deceive on many occasions.
I would say something is wrong somewhere?
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:03
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:malco
So then, missing...
As said above, I don;t think it really matters this weekend.
+1
Obviously it matters to the players, but not sure anyone else cares that much. Most important thing is we don’t lose any more players to serious injury.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:18
Leinster are one of the best club teams in the world, have put out a great team, are at home and the very best teams in europe would struggle against them...which isn't Bath. As Baxter said, its only going to get more difficult with the £5m cap over the next couple of years (I think that the Pro 14 is about double that?).
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:21
Quote:charlieboa
Richards will be fine to cover backrow- plays 6 for eng u20s (tho who goes to 8 if bayliss goes off I don't know).
Mojo made an OK fist of it at 10 last week. Wonder if spencee going there was the original plan but he was off himself by then.
Agree matt, I think availability only makes a slight diff this week to margin of defeat.
I am not sure jonker is out, just not v good at rugby from the limited times we have seen him
I see these games as warm up/experience games for the likes of OB, Mojo, Butt, GHW, Richards, Cordwell, the more time they get in the first team the deeper our strength in depth gets.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:30
Quote:BathMatt53
Leinster are one of the best club teams in the world, have put out a great team, are at home and the very best teams in europe would struggle against them...which isn't Bath. As Baxter said, its only going to get more difficult with the £5m cap over the next couple of years (I think that the Pro 14 is about double that?).
Its the United Rugby Championship now Matt and 16 teams, seems about right on the money though, 185 million Rand so about £9,000,000
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:31
Quote:malcoQuote:by
Depends if they actually win games or not Malco..
We'll never know sadly. This team will never play together. I don't expect Obano, Faletau, Cipriani, Joseph, Boyce, Rae and Schoeman to be here next season.
Does anyone know the contract status of rae and jonker? Can't find any mention of it when they were announced earlier in the year?
Think that list of leavers will prove fairly accurate
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:32
There is a certain irony in this situation. At times years ago there would have been talk of the 'plucky Irish' team playing from passion as an underdog against the better placed and perhaps more professional English teams.
Will the TV present it the other way around tomorrow and discuss in the build up how the English club teams are the underdogs versus the Irish provinces?
I just saw a headline saying 'COVID Hit Leinster Name Team v Bath', no mention of our injury list so maybe not!
Will the TV present it the other way around tomorrow and discuss in the build up how the English club teams are the underdogs versus the Irish provinces?
I just saw a headline saying 'COVID Hit Leinster Name Team v Bath', no mention of our injury list so maybe not!
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 14:39
Quote:malcoQuote:by
Depends if they actually win games or not Malco..
We'll never know sadly. This team will never play together. I don't expect Obano, Faletau, Cipriani, Joseph, Boyce, Rae and Schoeman to be here next season.
Out of all those, the only one I'd be upset about is Boyce.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 15:40
Quote:malco
Where is Underhill?
No 10 cover again and now no back row cover either. We are going to get mulleredat the breakdown with that lineup.
FTFY
Why worry about whether Underhill is playing? To reduce the final scoreline by a few points?
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 15:51
Quote:malco
Is this really Stuart Hooper's fault?
He certainly isn't a 'lucky general'.
He signs what the squad was crying out for ...
- a fly-half who could start games, but wouldn't stand in the way of Bailey's development. Immediately and long-term injured.
- an aggressive, ball-carrying unit for the back-row (by definition a Bok). Immediately and long-term injured.
- a short-term, but experienced emergency option at 10. Sustains more HIAs than the rest of his career put together
- what's the backline missing? A big, gainline buster .... oops, permanently injured
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Date: 10/12/2021 17:04
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 17:59
Quote:OptimistQuote:malco
Is this really Stuart Hooper's fault?
He certainly isn't a 'lucky general'.
He signs what the squad was crying out for ...
- a fly-half who could start games, but wouldn't stand in the way of Bailey's development. Immediately and long-term injured.
- an aggressive, ball-carrying unit for the back-row (by definition a Bok). Immediately and long-term injured.
- a short-term, but experienced emergency option at 10. Sustains more HIAs than the rest of his career put together
- what's the backline missing? A big, gainline buster .... oops, permanently injured
-
Fair context. I broadly don't have many issues with his recruitment and retention bar the odd clanger. Our squad is decent.
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 10/12/2021 21:20
My only issues with recruitment has been in the front row. The bad luck with other signings is remarkable.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 06:40
Quote:hasta
My only issues with recruitment has been in the front row. The bad luck with other signings is remarkable.
You really need 2 v good options plus a reliable third choice in the front row. Not convinced we have that in any of those positions. It's early to judge rae/jonker but it's clear the coaches are underwhelmed which is a bit embarrassing.
2nd row as much discussed is the big clanger for me together with management of our 9s.
Elsewhere not all options are perfect but they are fine I thin ie back row, 10 (landy starting to solve that problem), centre and back 3.
Injuries situation is a nightmare but how often is malco able to name a good injured xv- pretty standard for all prem clubs to be missing lots of players each week. It's fine as an excuse in Europe when you are already playing opposition which huge salary cap advantage.
In the prem we shoot ourselves in the foot by complety lacking strategy in selection. We wait for an injury crisis to blood loads of inexperience together. They should now reward players who have stood up well in adversity but they will probably go back to the status quo.... circle back to these guys when we have another injury crisis after they have been collecting cobwebs for a while. You have to trust your squad and depth. Develop them at opportune times
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 06:49
The Babbling 'brook (Leinster fans' site) pointing out that we can't even spell our players' names correctly (Richrad) on the Big Cup team sheet. I don't think we're taking this match very seriously...
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 07:38
Under normal circumstances having three or four first choice players unavailable for a major game would be considered bad luck and five would be considered a crisis.
We have 15.
We have 15.
Quote:charlieboaQuote:hasta
My only issues with recruitment has been in the front row. The bad luck with other signings is remarkable.
You really need 2 v good options plus a reliable third choice in the front row. Not convinced we have that in any of those positions. It's early to judge rae/jonker but it's clear the coaches are underwhelmed which is a bit embarrassing.
2nd row as much discussed is the big clanger for me together with management of our 9s.
Elsewhere not all options are perfect but they are fine I thin ie back row, 10 (landy starting to solve that problem), centre and back 3.
Injuries situation is a nightmare but how often is malco able to name a good injured xv- pretty standard for all prem clubs to be missing lots of players each week. It's fine as an excuse in Europe when you are already playing opposition which huge salary cap advantage.
In the prem we shoot ourselves in the foot by complety lacking strategy in selection. We wait for an injury crisis to blood loads of inexperience together. They should now reward players who have stood up well in adversity but they will probably go back to the status quo.... circle back to these guys when we have another injury crisis after they have been collecting cobwebs for a while. You have to trust your squad and depth. Develop them at opportune times
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 08:16
I would say dunn, stuart, mcnally, ewels, spencer, tdg are all first choices and available.
Arguably also bayliss/ellis, bailey and muir.
I completely agree its an awful , almost laughable, injury list but I would says it's fairly commonplace to be missing 10+ of your best 30 players sadly.
Thankfully it sounds as if the likes of rmc, cips, underhill, jj should be back imminently and followed by the likes of coko, redpath, faletau, schoeman in jan.
Trouble is we will pick up more injuries in the meantime. The prem based players have a brutal schedule.
What is the answer? Unless we are doing anything v silly that adds to the issues then I think you have to suck it up. I do think part of it is developing the depth by rotation. How long is stuart going to last having to play every week and go for 70+ mins
Arguably also bayliss/ellis, bailey and muir.
I completely agree its an awful , almost laughable, injury list but I would says it's fairly commonplace to be missing 10+ of your best 30 players sadly.
Thankfully it sounds as if the likes of rmc, cips, underhill, jj should be back imminently and followed by the likes of coko, redpath, faletau, schoeman in jan.
Trouble is we will pick up more injuries in the meantime. The prem based players have a brutal schedule.
What is the answer? Unless we are doing anything v silly that adds to the issues then I think you have to suck it up. I do think part of it is developing the depth by rotation. How long is stuart going to last having to play every week and go for 70+ mins
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 10:11
Quote:charlieboa
I completely agree its an awful , almost laughable, injury list but I would says it's fairly commonplace to be missing 10+ of your best 30 players sadly.
Thankfully it sounds as if the likes of rmc, cips, underhill, jj should be back imminently and followed by the likes of coko, redpath, faletau, schoeman in jan.
Trouble is we will pick up more injuries in the meantime. The prem based players have a brutal schedule.
What is the answer? Unless we are doing anything v silly that adds to the issues then I think you have to suck it up. I do think part of it is developing the depth by rotation. How long is stuart going to last having to play every week and go for 70+ mins
I don't think that it helps being so loyal to some injury-prone players in such a salary cap constrained world. I know that sounds horrible / ridiculous of me but when we are renewing the contracts of highly paid players who basically never play, something has to give. Manu Tuilagi and Henry Trinder are the obvious examples from other clubs, Joe Cokanasiga and Taulupe Faletau probably account for more than 10% of the current Bath cap (or a marquee slot) I would guess*? Max Clarke much cheaper but 52 starts in over 6 years (about half of which were in 2 seasons) is not a good return. I'm not talking about people breaking things or even head knocks, but more the recurring issues that some players seem to pick up.
Taulupe Faletau was barely injured before we signed him so can't criticise that at all, but it seems that there was a games vs value vs likelihood of injury discussion this time around. Think they need a few more of these.
(*although my understanding is that if you don't play one game in the entire season then your salary is excluded in its entirety)
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 10:15
Quote:joethefanatic
The Babbling 'brook (Leinster fans' site) pointing out that we can't even spell our players' names correctly (Richrad) on the Big Cup team sheet. I don't think we're taking this match very seriously...
That is the old English spelling of Richard. Thought the country of Tadhg, Niamh and Siobhan might cut us some slack!
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 10:22
It is harsh matt but hard to disagree esp when all the injuries mean they don't develop as rugby players.
Imho clark was v mediocre for several years as he never played so never improved.
He stayed fit for a period and looked a decent prem player.... then got injured again.
Can we stick with will spencer who seems to have a bath curse. Averages about 5 games a season for us and about 20 for wuss and leic.
Beno has had some horrific injuries over the last 3 years and I think has gone backwards because of it.
Faletau tbf always looks decent when he plays but again he is absolutely not the player he was 5-10 years ago because he is constantly rehashing fron injuries.
If you were being ruthless it's very hard to justify a high paid winger who is never fit like coko when you have 3 locks in an attritional league often played in the rain.
Let's hope coetzees luck changes ASAP.
Guess the flipside if you are looking for players who are relatively bullet proof to injury you are left with about 5% of the market.
Tbf to hoops he has spoken alot recently about getting more vfm/availability into the squad. Clearly he is aware but resolving it not easy. The fringe international players are an issue to me. Lose them a lot but aren't absolute game changers when available.
Imho clark was v mediocre for several years as he never played so never improved.
He stayed fit for a period and looked a decent prem player.... then got injured again.
Can we stick with will spencer who seems to have a bath curse. Averages about 5 games a season for us and about 20 for wuss and leic.
Beno has had some horrific injuries over the last 3 years and I think has gone backwards because of it.
Faletau tbf always looks decent when he plays but again he is absolutely not the player he was 5-10 years ago because he is constantly rehashing fron injuries.
If you were being ruthless it's very hard to justify a high paid winger who is never fit like coko when you have 3 locks in an attritional league often played in the rain.
Let's hope coetzees luck changes ASAP.
Guess the flipside if you are looking for players who are relatively bullet proof to injury you are left with about 5% of the market.
Tbf to hoops he has spoken alot recently about getting more vfm/availability into the squad. Clearly he is aware but resolving it not easy. The fringe international players are an issue to me. Lose them a lot but aren't absolute game changers when available.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 10:52
Is it a problem with the S&C team? I know PJ Wilson is very respected but us, alongside Wasps, seem to constantly have a long injury list. It feels very similar to one season under Blackadder where we just about had 15 players available during the week - admittedly that was before PJ signed. When you have a season like that, it bites into the season after.
My amateur, uninformed suspicion is that we train at an intensity level too high during the week. Which might be indicative of a team on a run of bad results - bit of a chicken and egg scenario. When we had that brilliant run in at the end of the 2019 season, I felt that due to the midweek games we scaled back training and that helped players stay fit.
Hopefully this might be something that comes out of the report - besides needing more physios.
My amateur, uninformed suspicion is that we train at an intensity level too high during the week. Which might be indicative of a team on a run of bad results - bit of a chicken and egg scenario. When we had that brilliant run in at the end of the 2019 season, I felt that due to the midweek games we scaled back training and that helped players stay fit.
Hopefully this might be something that comes out of the report - besides needing more physios.
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 11:05
Bath are 40/1 for this game on Betfair. In no way do I think that we're going to win, but those odds are insane for a two horse race.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 11:35
Quote:hasta
Bath are 40/1 for this game on Betfair. In no way do I think that we're going to win, but those odds are insane for a two horse race.
They were 66/1 after the teams were announced yesterday. Either something we don't know, covid or just shortening because some bets are going on?
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 11:54
Quote:by
My amateur, uninformed suspicion is that we train at an intensity level too high during the week. Which might be indicative of a team on a run of bad results - bit of a chicken and egg scenario. When we had that brilliant run in at the end of the 2019 season, I felt that due to the midweek games we scaled back training and that helped players stay fit.
Hopefully this might be something that comes out of the report - besides needing more physios.
Quins are v vocal in saying alot of their success last season was due to scaling back training massively.
As you its a virtuous circle- win some games, confidence high, less things to work on....need less training.
Also in the modern game you could work 30-40 hours a week with v little of that being intense physical training. Lots of analysis to be done, mental health coaching/wellbeing/psychology, game recovery etc. It not being lazy or not working hard, it's an acceptance that modern day rugby is brutal and if you do too much of it you break people for long periods of time.
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 11:59
It would be interesting to plot the players who have been injured over the last three seasons, what position they play, how they got injured, what their recovery time was, whether they sustained repeated injuries after returning, if those injuries were associated and generally what the trends and patterns are.
This could give very strong evidence about the root causes, what inherent problems we have and what lessons can be learned.
This could give very strong evidence about the root causes, what inherent problems we have and what lessons can be learned.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 12:02
Quote:malco
It would be interesting to plot the players who have been injured over the last three seasons, what position they play, how they got injured, what their recovery time was, whether they sustained repeated injuries after returning, if those injuries were associated and generally what the trends and patterns are.
This could give very strong evidence about the root causes, what inherent problems we have and what lessons can be learned.
Wouldn't the 'fitness/conditioning coach' be doing that as a matter of course though?
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 12:13
I'm sure they are, but clearly they are not anxious to make the results known in public!
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:malco
It would be interesting to plot the players who have been injured over the last three seasons, what position they play, how they got injured, what their recovery time was, whether they sustained repeated injuries after returning, if those injuries were associated and generally what the trends and patterns are.
This could give very strong evidence about the root causes, what inherent problems we have and what lessons can be learned.
Wouldn't the 'fitness/conditioning coach' be doing that as a matter of course though?
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 12:21
As has been mentioned one outcome of the report was more staff to help with this, physios etc.
Maybe a rare bit of credit should go to the club/Ed g for looking to tackle it.
Maybe a rare bit of credit should go to the club/Ed g for looking to tackle it.
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Posted by: warrenball (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 13:13
Can't even be bothered to watch it having recorded the Bordeaux/Tigers playing at the same time. Wish Bath players well, but take no pleasure in seeing them tonked every week.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:30
This is going to be ugly. 2 tries down inside 12 mins. Ref already warning us about repeated penalties
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:38
Ref has decided that if you’re the stronger team you’re allowed to chuck the ball forward.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:42
Bonus PT try in 24 mins, following a yellow card for us.
This is embarrassing
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This is embarrassing
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Posted by: Malco (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:42
24 minutes for the bonus point.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:46
As expected complete slaughter men against boys, another embarrassment no doubt some will say this was to be expected, for me we are a proud club and as such this is not acceptable any more and neither is Hoopers complete denial. This must stop quote "Bath not offering any resistance" embarrassing.
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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:47
Not even watching it and it's depressing me.
Hooper have some dignity and please go. Halftime is to long to wait for your resignation.
Hooper have some dignity and please go. Halftime is to long to wait for your resignation.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:48
Can we forfeit at HT and go home? 5 tries against in 29mins ...
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Posted by: Jon Chess (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:49
What’s the point? Tell me, I want to know. We might have the worst team both on and off the pitch in the history of the Premiership and European Cup, unbelievable.
Jon Chess
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:50
Wht didn't we touch it down for the scrum back on their 22? Instead, yet another soft try. Utterly dumb.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:51
We look out on our feet and only 32 minutes are down.
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Posted by: Ian E (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:51
We shouldn't have played the game. It isn't good for the players morale and you can already see the heads are down. This could be the heaviest defeat in living memory.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:51
Can Bath mgt stop pretending the players have any faith in what they are doing. This is just shambolic. The players have no confidence, no belief and no attitude. We were always going to lose heavily but why not give it a go.
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Posted by: Rampant (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:51
Leinster are going to score more than the England Cricket team...
Its cringeworthy
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Its cringeworthy
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:52
Quote:Dorset Boy
We look out on our feet and only 32 minutes are down.
Running backwards for 32 mins will do that to you
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:53
This is a European game at the Aviva and the players don't want to be there - that speaks volumes.
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Posted by: ken_jnr (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:53
“Playing for pride now boys…” A bit sad really.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:53
At least the clock has overtaken the scoreboard oh another penalty not for long then, it worries me how tired we look and the last 20 minutes it could actually make 3 digits at this rate unless Leinster take their foot off the gas.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 15:57
At last - we are going down so go down fighting.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:01
HT 31-13
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:07
Quote:Ali1969
As expected complete slaughter….
Quote:Ali1969
no doubt some will say this was to be expected…..
You mean some like you have!
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:14
Quote:CoochieCooQuote:Ali1969
As expected complete slaughter….Quote:Ali1969
no doubt some will say this was to be expected…..
You mean some like you have!
Indeed Coochie but I did expect a bit more of a fight given the side we put out especially up front, the worrying part is you know Leinster will be getting a rocket up their backsides given the scoreboard not reflecting their total dominance.
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Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:15
Bailey is playing well.
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:35
When your luck is down the ref penal;izes you for their player playing your front lineout man early and denies you a try.
Early tackle just missed too
Early tackle just missed too
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:40
Sides that refs think are inferior always get the poor end of decisions.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:45
As an aside when do people we will get a defence coach in urgently - Feb/Mar?
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:47
Quote:Never In Doubt
Sides that refs think are inferior always get the poor end of decisions.
The ref decided who that was in the first five minutes or possibly before the game
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:47
Quote:Never In Doubt
As an aside when do people we will get a defence coach in urgently - Feb/Mar?
Doesn't matter. A defence coach isn't sorting this out
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 16:49
Quote:TG KesmoQuote:Never In Doubt
Sides that refs think are inferior always get the poor end of decisions.
The ref decided who that was in the first five minutes or possibly before the game
Yep based on the last 9 weeks.
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:02
My boy!
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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:06
Well the score was much better than anticipated. Much better second half, but the gulf between the teams was huge.
Can't fault the effort and commitment.
Bailey was excellent throughout.
Can't fault the effort and commitment.
Bailey was excellent throughout.
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Posted by: Never In Doubt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:08
Not sure what to make of that ... some character in the second half but first half was pitiful. No real ambition, no confidence and defence was utterly naive.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:10
Thought de Carpentier and Ellis came out of that with a lot of credit. Bailey did really well. Butt was very anonymous but came into it a bit late on. We were outclassed by a country mile, but signs there that we will win before too very long.
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Posted by: supermarinematt (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:12
Score line is closer than the the gulf in class. We stuck to it in the second half, but some of that was them not being quite as on it as they were in the first 30 mins or so.
Bailey is growing each game, which is good. Gabe's line for his try was excellent off a well worked set piece but other than that there really was little to take from it.
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Bailey is growing each game, which is good. Gabe's line for his try was excellent off a well worked set piece but other than that there really was little to take from it.
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Posted by: BathSalmon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:15
Thought Ewels played well (i'll probably get shot down for this). Will Butt didn't look to do anything wrong. Ewan Richards made a good impact from the bench too.
Is there any good news on the horizon with our injured players?
Is there any good news on the horizon with our injured players?
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Posted by: P G Tips (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:34
Several players showed their character and willingness to battle and indeed there were some good touches- notably from Bailey, but collectively Bath lost shape far too early and looked disjointed.
As spermarinematt notes above, much more to sort out than within the remit of a defence coach.
PG
As spermarinematt notes above, much more to sort out than within the remit of a defence coach.
PG
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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 17:38
Sorry Bath you won't get a 1p from me until someone takes hold of this club and sacks all the coaching staff. It's a shambles.
The only positive is Leinster didn't want to put up a cricket score.
The only positive is Leinster didn't want to put up a cricket score.
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 18:11
Better than I expected................low expectations.
Another case of my "they drop the ball and then they get a penalty"
Another case of my "they drop the ball and then they get a penalty"
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 18:26
Couldn’t see the point in watching the game, but the score could have been a whole lot worse.
No doubt Hooper and his coaches are celebrating tonight.
No doubt Hooper and his coaches are celebrating tonight.
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Posted by: JohnB2 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 18:35
With the match won at half time I think the Leinster players took their feet off the pedal as no one wanted to miss Montpelier next week through injury. Having said that Bath played with spirit to the end and their try at the end will have really irritated Leo Cullen et al. Thought Simpson brought direction and energy when he came on at 9. In other news Irish newspapers are reporting that Bath have been in talks with Munster coach, Johan Van Graan.
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 18:51
Quote:They're obviously aware of the stick they're receiving and frustrated at their inability to turn things round. People say they should resign but until there are replacements ready what would that achieve? I bet they're even more upset at what's going on than the frustrated posters on here.OutsideBath
Couldn’t see the point in watching the game, but the score could have been a whole lot worse.
No doubt Hooper and his coaches are celebrating tonight.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 19:06
Ewels was excellent as was Ben Spencer second half better could bot have been worse So many worries gukf in class huge.
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Posted by: TG Kesmo (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 19:30
Ok our defence outside is abject and Leinster had done their homework. We had no one counting and sorting who should cover where. Unpopular comment but this is JJ ‘s most important contribution and if he’s not there no one does it. The wings also don’t look and count and call for reinforcement if there’s a numbers imbalance. In short WE NEED A DEFENCE COACH not a general sacking of people for whom there is currently no replacement.
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Posted by: Deckchair (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 19:37
Men against boys. Leinster faster to the breakdown and the line and stronger in the tackle. Leinster played with organised inventiveness and sliced through the Bath "defence" with consummate ease and skill. The peel-off the line out and pivot run back inside is schoolboy stuff, but seemed to baffle Bath. and on more than one occasion. Some attempts at adventure once all was lost but invariably crashed against poor handling, or a silly penalty or knock-on. They did keep going though, even if to little avail. I'd really love to know what skills they are supposed to be learning and basics they are drilling at Farleigh, because there is scant evidence of them on the field come game time.
Don't think a defence coach is going to be our panacea. He might reduce the loss points deficit, but unless we find a true leader and a play-to-our-strength game plan with all player buy-in we will not begin to start winning.
Don't think a defence coach is going to be our panacea. He might reduce the loss points deficit, but unless we find a true leader and a play-to-our-strength game plan with all player buy-in we will not begin to start winning.
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Posted by: B4thB4ck (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 21:26
Here is the BBC report. Apparently Leinster were disrupted by the 3 players missing through COVID. No mention of our 15 (?) missing through injury but there you go, that's what you get as the basement club.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
[www.bbc.co.uk]
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Posted by: TomReagan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 21:57
Exactly B4th! Loved the idea that a huge squad of internationals could be disrupted by the absence of 3 due to Covid and a couple of injuries.
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Posted by: dannyf2 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 22:00
Yawn. Groundhog day.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 11/12/2021 22:17
Was thankfully saved from enduring this due to my daughters bday party.
My friend watched it and said we were fairly abject and the gulf in class was huge.
Thought only real positives were bailey did well and richards looked decent off the bench. No obvious serious injuries either.
Tbh I would take that and move on- sadly was only ever going to be damage limitation but do feel the next set of games offer genuine opps to win and boy do we need a few!
My friend watched it and said we were fairly abject and the gulf in class was huge.
Thought only real positives were bailey did well and richards looked decent off the bench. No obvious serious injuries either.
Tbh I would take that and move on- sadly was only ever going to be damage limitation but do feel the next set of games offer genuine opps to win and boy do we need a few!
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 02:03
Just watched the game. Well, we didn't give up and that's about the only positive I can find. OB2 looked OK but didn't have anything to work with and I couldn't see any attacking structure on the rare occasions we had the ball. But its hard to do that when you've got Cian Healy ripping your arms off.
We learned today that we're not as good as the Irish national side. I think we knew that before kickoff.
Our objective has to be to get out of Big Cup as soon as we can and with the fewest injuries possible. Our race is not with these guys this season. Or for the foreseeable future.
MotM - Charlie Ewels. I thought he led well in a thoroughly beaten team.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
We learned today that we're not as good as the Irish national side. I think we knew that before kickoff.
Our objective has to be to get out of Big Cup as soon as we can and with the fewest injuries possible. Our race is not with these guys this season. Or for the foreseeable future.
MotM - Charlie Ewels. I thought he led well in a thoroughly beaten team.
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 02:17
I would say we were as overwhelmed as Saints were by Racing the night before.
Henry Thomas starting and enjoying his rugby at Montpellier. Guy Mercer has got very season stats for the same team...............
Henry Thomas starting and enjoying his rugby at Montpellier. Guy Mercer has got very season stats for the same team...............
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 04:49
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
I would say we were as overwhelmed as Saints were by Racing the night before.
Henry Thomas starting and enjoying his rugby at Montpellier. Guy Mercer has got very season stats for the same team...............
Zach?
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 05:29
Following Bath at present is an unremittingly depressing experience. The coaches have created a consistent losing machine - the direct opposite to a Saracens or an Exeter in their pomp. Even with the injuries we have suffered that is no mean feat. Every week we look optimistically for some green shoots. Sometimes the loss is down to poor refereeing, sometimes bad luck, this time we were up against the Irish national team. Someone has said we can look forward to winning a few games soon. I ask why? Has any team in the history of the professional era done so badly at this stage in the season? I doubt it. Let’s hope this Van Graam agrees to join us & replaces Hateley. We then need a defence coach & DOR. No one individual can come into this failed set up & thrive. We need a complete reset. Sad as it is to say, the project has completely failed & we cannot survive much longer with this coaching structure.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 05:39
I think realistically you are right bath Hammer.
My only slight hope is by bringing a defence coach in you also get hats into a more appropriate role so 2 hopefully positive changes in effect.
I am coming round to the deckchairs on the titanic analogy but try to be positive as think we are stuck with this til at least the end of the season...
My only slight hope is by bringing a defence coach in you also get hats into a more appropriate role so 2 hopefully positive changes in effect.
I am coming round to the deckchairs on the titanic analogy but try to be positive as think we are stuck with this til at least the end of the season...
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 06:13
Quote:charlieboa
I think realistically you are right bath Hammer.
My only slight hope is by bringing a defence coach in you also get hats into a more appropriate role so 2 hopefully positive changes in effect.
I am coming round to the deckchairs on the titanic analogy but try to be positive as think we are stuck with this til at least the end of the season...
You are probably right CB but part of me worries what damage will be done if we endure the rest of the season in this manner. Hatley seems to be a busted flush & I would have thought it to be in his interests as well as ours for him to move on. The alarming thing is that Hooper seems to proceed in exactly the same way overseeing this dross.
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 08:45
Quote:Particularly strange to not mention the Bath injuries when that was the sole topic of questions the BBC reporter in the ‘meet the press’ session with Hooper shared by the club…B4thB4ck
Here is the BBC report. Apparently Leinster were disrupted by the 3 players missing through COVID. No mention of our 15 (?) missing through injury but there you go, that's what you get as the basement club.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
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Posted by: Beergoggles (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 08:45
Quote:Bath Blues
Sorry Bath you won't get a 1p from me until someone takes hold of this club and sacks all the coaching staff. It's a shambles.
The only positive is Leinster didn't want to put up a cricket score.
Ta rah then. See you again when thing are easy and you can reclaim your slot as ‘ Baths number one fan’. I for one shall be at the Rec next weekend, we’ll equipped with a pint of Gem and some gallows humour.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 09:02
Can’t read too much into this game as Bath are operating under a salary cap, Leinster do not and are basically an international team. Bath will never compete at that level.
However the league results to date should have resulted Hooper/Hatley quitting or being sacked. Instead we have chosen to tinker and continue to accept losing as no big problem.
However the league results to date should have resulted Hooper/Hatley quitting or being sacked. Instead we have chosen to tinker and continue to accept losing as no big problem.
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 09:07
Quote:BeergogglesQuote:Bath Blues
Sorry Bath you won't get a 1p from me until someone takes hold of this club and sacks all the coaching staff. It's a shambles.
The only positive is Leinster didn't want to put up a cricket score.
Ta rah then. See you again when thing are easy and you can reclaim your slot as ‘ Baths number one fan’. I for one shall be at the Rec next weekend, we’ll equipped with a pint of Gem and some gallows humour.
Good for you. I’ll be exchanging my ticket & agree with BB. There’s no reason to expect a different outcome.
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 09:10
I didn’t expect Bath to win, in fact I thought Leinster might score 100. I’m not upset with the result and actually think some of the players will have learnt lots from the experience. Yes Leinster put the subs on very early, but the floor gates seemed to close and our subs did ok, which we can’t say has been the norm.
I’ll be going to the Rec next weekend and hope to see an entertaining match, regardless of the result.
I’ll be going to the Rec next weekend and hope to see an entertaining match, regardless of the result.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 09:13
I have zero support for Hooper et all, but I will be at the Rec next weekend to support the players. They deserve so much better than the “coaching” team that is hindering their progress.
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 10:13
Quote:Optimist
Thought de Carpentier and Ellis came out of that with a lot of credit. Bailey did really well. Butt was very anonymous but came into it a bit late on. We were outclassed by a country mile, but signs there that we will win before too very long.
Thought Bayliss had a very good game overall too and Bailey/Ojomoh look like building a very strong 10/12 unit when looking to attack
Second half effort in defence was a surprisingly positive - the constant Leinster wave could have led to a cricket score
Again just goes to show how remote our chances are of ever getting very far in this cup in my lifetime
Completely agree with those though defence is a big weakness in competing against very good teams but it isn't the only big problem. Yes, we need a seriously good Defence coach that has ben blindingly evident from before start of season but if he is that good he will bring experience and qualities in other areas of the game which just begs the question around either Hats or Hoops or both
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 10:27
I am more encouraged than discouraged after that performance. We have half our squad missing, a coaching set up that is universally derided and we were playing an Irish international XV. I can't recall any Bath side beating Leinster in a HC match and I've seen defeats home and away in the last 15-20yr. Our youngsters look a talented bunch and they will only get better for this experience. All is not lost, only a match no one gave us a chance of winning...
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Adopted players: 24/25 J Bayliss; [24] O Lawrence; [23] J Cokanasiga; [22] M Green; [21] A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 10:41
We got stuffed by Saints. Saints got stuffed by Racing at home. Bath got stuffed by Ireland away (but not as much as Saints by Racing) I believe Leinster were/are favourites to win the cup. I think most on here if honest would say that our result was better than expected.
And yet we have some posters intent of being the most Mr Angry, Frustrated & Annoyed from Bath on the site.
And yet we have some posters intent of being the most Mr Angry, Frustrated & Annoyed from Bath on the site.
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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 11:07
For me it was clearly a game too far and the prediction league had Leinster at 60+ for the majority who made predictions.
However, the pluses for me is that they fought to the end and the experience of playing at the Aviva will be immense for the youngsters against nearly a full international team away from home.
However the biggest plus was Gabe’s try under the posts which must have annoyed the Leinster coaching team immensely!
However, the pluses for me is that they fought to the end and the experience of playing at the Aviva will be immense for the youngsters against nearly a full international team away from home.
However the biggest plus was Gabe’s try under the posts which must have annoyed the Leinster coaching team immensely!
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Posted by: hantssabre (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 11:17
Got the impression that even Dalaglio was feeling a bit sorry for us by the end
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 11:35
Quote:Gaz
Thought Bayliss had a very good game overall too and Bailey/Ojomoh look like building a very strong 10/12 unit when looking to attack
Quote:Charlieboa
Thought only real positives were bailey did well and richards looked decent off the bench. No obvious serious injuries either.
Quote:Optimist
Bailey did really well.
Remember when our coaches via Ben Spencer avoided passing to this young talent? Totally incomprehensible, though they will no doubt say that protection made him what he is today.
I find it bordering on the criminal that we are offering him a season of games with little or no chance of winning a game. The Bailey/Ojomo partnership has the potential to become exceptional.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 12:12
Quote:hemington
I believe Leinster were/are favourites to win the cup. I think most on here if honest would say that our result was better than expected.
Can't disagree with that and with the reduced salary cap there's little point in Bath expending too much energy in trying to compete in the competition.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 15:58
One thing that was incredibly spectacular yesterday were Ewels’ takes from re-starts. But the critic in me wonders whether ending up horizontal means you’ve misjudged the flight of the ball?
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Posted by: nigewing (IP Logged)
Date: 12/12/2021 21:37
Quote:B4thB4ck
Here is the BBC report. Apparently Leinster were disrupted by the 3 players missing through COVID. No mention of our 15 (?) missing through injury but there you go, that's what you get as the basement club.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
Biased BBC b/s. ☹️
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 00:32
So accuse me of being incorrigibly optimistic.............
The process of development goes through various stages..........
1. Hope (Sale away losing to the final kick of the match)
2. Disbelief (Newcastle at home where props and hookers seemed to make devastating runs for fun with no defence)
3. Despair (the ongoing losses and injuries and the fact we always train well)
4. Absolute despair and incredulity (Saracens)
5. Not as bad as the awful result we expected and unrealistic views (why didn't someone stop Simmonds scoring for Exeter when it was clear from half time when they bought their new front row on we were going to lose)
6. Some signs of some players doing quite well amongst the generally poor play (Saints away with 6 tries to 3)
7 Expectation of 60 - 0 that ends up (for a multiple of reasons) as "only" 45 - 20 against Ireland (sorry I meant to write Leinster) in the National Stadium.
8........................just watched La Rochelle v Glasgow..................
The process of development goes through various stages..........
1. Hope (Sale away losing to the final kick of the match)
2. Disbelief (Newcastle at home where props and hookers seemed to make devastating runs for fun with no defence)
3. Despair (the ongoing losses and injuries and the fact we always train well)
4. Absolute despair and incredulity (Saracens)
5. Not as bad as the awful result we expected and unrealistic views (why didn't someone stop Simmonds scoring for Exeter when it was clear from half time when they bought their new front row on we were going to lose)
6. Some signs of some players doing quite well amongst the generally poor play (Saints away with 6 tries to 3)
7 Expectation of 60 - 0 that ends up (for a multiple of reasons) as "only" 45 - 20 against Ireland (sorry I meant to write Leinster) in the National Stadium.
8........................just watched La Rochelle v Glasgow..................
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 02:03
Is that supposed to be an optimistic view BSJ as it didn’t come over as such. The Somerset player ratings give most of the squad below 5. If we are honest we cannot say we are playing well can we?
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Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 05:23
As others have stated, things are not going to change overnight no matter who is in charge. The only way forward now is to keep giving the young guys exposure and drift in some experience along the way. Personally I wouldnt care if Faletau didnt play for us this season but for short term confidence we do need him fit along with Redpath and Joe asap. Hamer Webb really should be starting over Rocco (sorry Rocco we all still love you) and why if the coaches really dont fancy Green or Fox why not let Carr Smith have a bench spot? Oh and as for tighthead... We need a big lump for the six nations or we just cant compete!
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 07:51
Quote:copester
As others have stated, things are not going to change overnight no matter who is in charge. The only way forward now is to keep giving the young guys exposure and drift in some experience along the way. Personally I wouldnt care if Faletau didnt play for us this season but for short term confidence we do need him fit along with Redpath and Joe asap. Hamer Webb really should be starting over Rocco (sorry Rocco we all still love you) and why if the coaches really dont fancy Green or Fox why not let Carr Smith have a bench spot? Oh and as for tighthead... We need a big lump for the six nations or we just cant compete!
Agree with all this.
Getting players back available will help confidence and morale. Also allow rotation and hopefully allow us to get on top of this injury crisis.
For tight calls I would definitely be keen to keep givng young guys games.
As you say we all love roko but likely he won't be here next season and ghw will.
Ditto with carr-smith compared to green....and possibly fox who surely isn't happy being behind Simpson.
Would rather see richards getting games at 6 than the likes of williams and faletau tho as you say think getting players like TF back in the 23 can only be positive.
Going to humiliate myself here with my blind optimism now but I have a little inkling we may sneak a win on Saturday (watch the 50 point defeat happen now!)
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 08:14
I agree CB, suspect we will beat La Rochelle on Saturday. Watched them against Glasgow and they weren’t that impressive.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 08:39
Quote:OutsideBath
I agree CB, suspect we will beat La Rochelle on Saturday. Watched them against Glasgow and they weren’t that impressive.
Yeah I watched the game and wasn't that impressed although they clearly have some v v good players.
Was it anything like their best team? Not seem any top 14 this season....
I always think 6 day turnarounds are tough esp when there is a decent bit of travelling involved.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 08:42
In relation to the game on Saturday the players definitely put a shift in and started competing in the 2nd Half and scrum at least fired some shots for that the players deserve credit it certainly was not a case of not trying.
On the other hand Leinster definitely took their foot off the gas - that first 30 minutes I think shocked them just how easy they found the game - TRP secured by 20 minutes and it literally was a semi-opposed training session for them.
That said and the gulf in class was evident throughout. I too was not impressed with La Rochelle, however how much of that was the fact Glasgow stopped them playing? Glasgow are a very good side with many internationals and deserve credit in their own right.
My concern next week will be up front - I am not concerned about La Rochelle's back play but their pack is enormous and physical - given how easy Leinster marched through us is concerning but then every team this season has carved us apart.
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On the other hand Leinster definitely took their foot off the gas - that first 30 minutes I think shocked them just how easy they found the game - TRP secured by 20 minutes and it literally was a semi-opposed training session for them.
That said and the gulf in class was evident throughout. I too was not impressed with La Rochelle, however how much of that was the fact Glasgow stopped them playing? Glasgow are a very good side with many internationals and deserve credit in their own right.
My concern next week will be up front - I am not concerned about La Rochelle's back play but their pack is enormous and physical - given how easy Leinster marched through us is concerning but then every team this season has carved us apart.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 08:48
La rochelle are clearly a much better team than us but just feels like this is an opp to sneak a home win to me.
As you say their pack will be enormous so we will have to be smart and not get trapped with defensive scrums and lineouts within 10 yds of our line.
May be a decent game for will spencer, the man is a brute and has a few games under the belt now- sounded like the scrum improved a little when he was locking it out.
Didn't get any obvious injuries and hopeful we may have some of underhill, cips, jj and rmc back as options. Also wonder if there may be some positive news this week in terms of retention/recruitment/new defence coach which will put a spring in the step- absolutely no inside knowledge there BTW!
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As you say their pack will be enormous so we will have to be smart and not get trapped with defensive scrums and lineouts within 10 yds of our line.
May be a decent game for will spencer, the man is a brute and has a few games under the belt now- sounded like the scrum improved a little when he was locking it out.
Didn't get any obvious injuries and hopeful we may have some of underhill, cips, jj and rmc back as options. Also wonder if there may be some positive news this week in terms of retention/recruitment/new defence coach which will put a spring in the step- absolutely no inside knowledge there BTW!
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 09:23
The other way of looking at the La Rochelle fixture is that Glasgow are a decent side! I wouldn't get too optimistic about that.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 09:27
Quote:shipwrecked
The other way of looking at the La Rochelle fixture is that Glasgow are a decent side! I wouldn't get too optimistic about that.
Without hope you aren't left with much.
I agree, Glasgow are a good outfit.
I just feel more optimistic about a result than I have done for several weeks with hopefully a few factors working in our favour for once.
Completely appreciate this is blind, illogical optimism
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 09:50
Quote:charlieboaQuote:shipwrecked
The other way of looking at the La Rochelle fixture is that Glasgow are a decent side! I wouldn't get too optimistic about that.
Without hope you aren't left with much.
I agree, Glasgow are a good outfit.
I just feel more optimistic about a result than I have done for several weeks with hopefully a few factors working in our favour for once.
Completely appreciate this is blind, illogical optimism
Nothing wrong with that CB! There are some signs, we are breaking the line better with OB but it like batting with a golf club. Too much gets past us. Individually the back row tackled well but we were undone by the offload and were simply overwhelmed by their attacks.
We can still get a win but I suspect it will be because someone gets overconfident. We are simply battered up front never getting the ball going forward.
Just wish were were a bit more aggressive, even a bit nasty, all a bit hard to watch at the moment so your optimism is welcomed.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 10:10
Quote:shipwrecked
We can still get a win but I suspect it will be because someone gets overconfident
It really doesn't matter where or how a win comes - can be through outrageous good fortune, opposition complacency, incompetent refereeing, Covid or other injury-disrupted opposition.
We've suffered more than enough slings and arrows of our own this year.
Anyone's who ever had a 'trot' as a batter knows that you only get out of it with a big dose of luck from a dropped catch or a dodgy umpiring decision in your favour. But that's often the precursor to a run of form.
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 10:13
What I was trying to say and failing was I believe we reached abject despair...........and are now seeing from now and then some occasional brighter sparks. Not enough and consistent enough to win a game yet.
However it is a process back.....to winning a game. It will not happen overnight.
However very little marginal gains like winning a scrum penalty for example, or a mazy run by one individual for 40 yards will lift everybody.
They are currently, I suspect in a bunker mentality which I would develop as from that comes a group defiant spirit. Almost you can score tries against us but we will always come back. Then it will be less tries scored against and the odd one for plus some penalty kicks. Then it will be a very close loss then a marginal and lucky win.......
However it is a process back.....to winning a game. It will not happen overnight.
However very little marginal gains like winning a scrum penalty for example, or a mazy run by one individual for 40 yards will lift everybody.
They are currently, I suspect in a bunker mentality which I would develop as from that comes a group defiant spirit. Almost you can score tries against us but we will always come back. Then it will be less tries scored against and the odd one for plus some penalty kicks. Then it will be a very close loss then a marginal and lucky win.......
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 10:19
Agree opti- it will take some luck and I think we deserve a break sooner or later
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Posted by: annie blackthorn (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 10:36
its like waiting for the tide to turn in a onshore howling gale. There may be a lull in the storm, but it will return. Wonder how long or much longer can the decision makers dither and dive?
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Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 11:23
Quote:Bath Supporter Jack
However it is a process back.....to winning a game. It will not happen overnight.
However very little marginal gains like winning a scrum penalty for example, or a mazy run by one individual for 40 yards will lift everybody.
Slightly staggering that we are in the position this far into the season of hoping, rather than expecting, that we will win a game.
I know in elite sport wins are never foregone conclusions but in any season there were a few fixtures that we could have targeted to win (home games, for example, or against teams themselves in a poor run of form).
Now I can't really see where the next win, barring a fluke result or Covid cancellation, is coming from for the next couple of months.
We're at the stage of looking for the positives in one piece of individual brilliance, rather than the overall team performance. I know there's always got to be losers as well as winners in sport, but does it have to be so abject? At this rate we're going to give London Welsh a run for their money...
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 11:32
I think la rochelle, glos, Irish, wuss is a block of games we should be looking to sneak a few wins (don't really care about ex prem Cup game other than it being a good opp for young guys/those returning from injury to get a game).
Confidence is important and must be rock bottom- would be interesting to see if there was any kick on from a win of any kind, no matter how flukes or ill deserved or against a covid riddled opposition.
Confidence is important and must be rock bottom- would be interesting to see if there was any kick on from a win of any kind, no matter how flukes or ill deserved or against a covid riddled opposition.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 11:34
Maybe Wuss at home on Jan 9th? If not then, then I'm struggling to see a win this season.
... IMHO, of course.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 11:40
Quote:joethefanatic
Maybe Wuss at home on Jan 9th? If not then, then I'm struggling to see a win this season.
Wuss and Irish (and Glos) have looked really good in recent games. Irish are certainly scoring for fun and will put 30 past us - the question is whether we can put 31 past them.
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Posted by: Clarkey3k (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 11:45
I think the Chiefs Prem Cup game and the Wuss home fixture are key to the 2nd half of our season. Win both or either of those and the monkey will be off our back, lose both then I fear for the rest of 2022. I think a trip to Brentford will be in order to see the new LI set up...
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 11:49
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:joethefanatic
Maybe Wuss at home on Jan 9th? If not then, then I'm struggling to see a win this season.
Wuss and Irish (and Glos) have looked really good in recent games. Irish are certainly scoring for fun and will put 30 past us - the question is whether we can put 31 past them.
Agreed but in such a competitive league its about a good a run of 3 games as you will get I guess? Still time for form lines to change a bit.
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Posted by: SJS (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 12:12
Quote:joethefanatic
Maybe Wuss at home on Jan 9th? If not then, then I'm struggling to see a win this season.
Yep, usually (and no disrespect to Wuss) I'd have expected to beat them at the Rec, simply based on past results. But Wuss beating Irish, Sale, Bris and Wasps suggests that's unlikely to happen this time.
Glos beat Sale, Wasps, Exe and Bris across all comps and of course the tonking they gave us in the little cup all suggests that'll be a hard match too. It does seem there's genuinely no easy games any more (apart from against us!).
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 12:36
I don't think we can look at any one game and 'target' it for a win. Cliched as it is, this is the ultimate 'anyone can beat anyone' league.
I'd prefer to see every single game forming a coherent strategy designed to enable us to arrive in better shape next season. The season is now no more than the equivalent of a pre-season game.
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
I'd prefer to see every single game forming a coherent strategy designed to enable us to arrive in better shape next season. The season is now no more than the equivalent of a pre-season game.
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
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Posted by: by (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 12:49
Quote:Optimist
I don't think we can look at any one game and 'target' it for a win. Cliched as it is, this is the ultimate 'anyone can beat anyone' league.
I'd prefer to see every single game forming a coherent strategy designed to enable us to arrive in better shape next season. The season is now no more than the equivalent of a pre-season game.
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
I think we can all agree on that.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 12:56
Quote:byQuote:Optimist
I don't think we can look at any one game and 'target' it for a win. Cliched as it is, this is the ultimate 'anyone can beat anyone' league.
I'd prefer to see every single game forming a coherent strategy designed to enable us to arrive in better shape next season. The season is now no more than the equivalent of a pre-season game.
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
I think we can all agree on that.
Yep +2
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Posted by: Bath Supporter Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 13:17
Spot on.......
As I think I've said before my Tigers friends think we are playing better rugby than they did for the last two years...........to remind you 11 and 12 in the league
As I think I've said before my Tigers friends think we are playing better rugby than they did for the last two years...........to remind you 11 and 12 in the league
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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 13:19
I remember that one of the reasons we let Attwood go to Toulon was if he didn't play all season with us he didn't count under salary cap. I'm not sure if that applies to marquee players or not, but we should seriously wonder if there's any point playing Faletau for the rest of the season and if we could use that salary now.
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 13:38
Quote:Optimist
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
This is my biggest frustration though Opti. As a club we simply don't do anything of the sort. Players like Carr-Smith, Fox, Worboys et al should definitely be getting time in this season where everything has become meaningless. I mentioned this in relation to Bailey. There was no planned introduction even though we were told regularly these players were 'highly valued'. Bailey was played simply because we ran out of 10's through injury.
We will never know what these players are like till they get a chance to play in the senior games. Its infuriating we pick the side that looks like it will do best rather than admit we can't win and learn about these players.
We may be getting thumped on a regular basis and have massive injury issues but we are blooding players who if they get a win should keep their place.
If Faletau were fit he would instantly replace Bayliss, is that right?
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Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 13:43
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Optimist
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
This is my biggest frustration though Opti. As a club we simply don't do anything of the sort. Players like Carr-Smith, Fox, Worboys et al should definitely be getting time in this season where everything has become meaningless. I mentioned this in relation to Bailey. There was no planned introduction even though we were told regularly these players were 'highly valued'. Bailey was played simply because we ran out of 10's through injury.
We will never know what these players are like till they get a chance to play in the senior games. Its infuriating we pick the side that looks like it will do best rather than admit we can't win and learn about these players.
We may be getting thumped on a regular basis and have massive injury issues but we are blooding players who if they get a win should keep their place.
If Faletau were fit he would instantly replace Bayliss, is that right?
Totally agree, Borthwick was called out as I remember for doing this,.....Now Martin, V Portfliet and Heyes are regulars.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 13:53
Quote:hasta
I remember that one of the reasons we let Attwood go to Toulon was if he didn't play all season with us he didn't count under salary cap. I'm not sure if that applies to marquee players or not, but we should seriously wonder if there's any point playing Faletau for the rest of the season and if we could use that salary now.
There’s a good argument for letting him go to Cardiff now, I guess.
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Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 14:43
I think the club are desperate for a win so will play the strongest team no matter what. I can’t see us winning enough games to give us a cushion, so I worry for the game time opportunities for the rest of the season bar the Prem Cup.
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 15:18
Quote:Rawce
I think the club are desperate for a win so will play the strongest team no matter what. I can’t see us winning enough games to give us a cushion, so I worry for the game time opportunities for the rest of the season bar the Prem Cup.
A cushion from what?
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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 16:11
Quote:Optimist
I'd prefer to see every single game forming a coherent strategy designed to enable us to arrive in better shape next season. The season is now no more than the equivalent of a pre-season game.
Completely agree provided the "coherent strategy" goes beyond match day selection and each game as it comes game-plan.
It needs to also address the blaring holes in our coaching set up. Defence, scrum and breakdown [speed of getting our ball away and slowing down opposition without giving up penalties] are the top 3 as I see it
Success next year for me anyway is winning the euro Challenge Cup and top 6 in the prem. The coherent strategy has to have those twin targets firmly in mind based firmly on getting what Woodward called a 'winning' mentality
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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 17:16
Quote:gaz59
Success next year for me anyway is winning the euro Challenge Cup and top 6 in the prem. The coherent strategy has to have those twin targets firmly in mind based firmly on getting what Woodward called a 'winning' mentality
Sorry Gaz with only tinkering of the coaching setup being proposed it’s unrealistic to aim for top 6 and win challenge cup next season.
I would suggest without a total clear out that level of “success” won’t happen in the next 5 years at least.
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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 17:32
I know what you mean gaz. But I think the pragmatic reality is that only a full pre-season with some beefed-up coaching direction is going to make any proper difference to team performance now.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 17:37
Success next year is not being bottom at Xmas.
... IMHO, of course.
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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 17:55
Quote:What a shame that this is how it has turned out with Faletau. It’s hard to comprehend that a triple British Lions leaving seems like a good or meh thing, but it is.OptimistQuote:hasta
I remember that one of the reasons we let Attwood go to Toulon was if he didn't play all season with us he didn't count under salary cap. I'm not sure if that applies to marquee players or not, but we should seriously wonder if there's any point playing Faletau for the rest of the season and if we could use that salary now.
There’s a good argument for letting him go to Cardiff now, I guess.
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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 18:27
Quote:joethefanatic
Success next year is not being bottom at Xmas.
Success will also be anyone on this board actually caring about whether Bath are bottom next Xmas. There is a notable shift already on this board from anger and frustration at a loss to sad resignation and general lack of interest. This is reflected in my friends which have followed Bath for many many years. The golden days of being generally mediocre seem a long time ago now.
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Posted by: charlieboa (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 18:28
Quote:shipwreckedQuote:Optimist
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
This is my biggest frustration though Opti. As a club we simply don't do anything of the sort. Players like Carr-Smith, Fox, Worboys et al should definitely be getting time in this season where everything has become meaningless. I mentioned this in relation to Bailey. There was no planned introduction even though we were told regularly these players were 'highly valued'. Bailey was played simply because we ran out of 10's through injury.
We will never know what these players are like till they get a chance to play in the senior games. Its infuriating we pick the side that looks like it will do best rather than admit we can't win and learn about these players.
We may be getting thumped on a regular basis and have massive injury issues but we are blooding players who if they get a win should keep their place.
If Faletau were fit he would instantly replace Bayliss, is that right?
Completely agree.
There should be a group of young players identified who they should be aiming to get fully prem ready ready for next season while we have the chance.
Not just because there are no other options but to grow depth and allow rotation which helps in many many ways.
There should be players they are aiming to get 5-10 games into irrespective of injuries and availability- personally think that's the likes of cordwell, doughty, stewart, verden, merigan, staddon (when fit), carr-smith, worboys, butt, venter. Some of those had brief goes due to injury.- some may not be good enough (better to know now).
others should get lots more exposure based on what they have shown already eg bailey, mojo, richards, ghw.they have outshone many senior colleagues so in my mind are ready to be in the 23 most weeks.
Need to manage it and be strategic with it- how much would stewart learn between boyce and stuart with mcnally and ewels behind. Merigan could play with faletau at 6 helping him. Carr-smith could come off bench with faletau at 8 and cips at 10 etc etc.
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Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 19:08
Quote:charlieboaQuote:shipwreckedQuote:Optimist
If that means giving Carr-Smith a start (or a proper 30 minutes off the bench) and risking a result, then that's fine. If it means not rushing back injured senior players (who will be here), that's fine. If it means playing a current second-choice over a first-choice player who the management know won't be here next season, that's fine.
This is my biggest frustration though Opti. As a club we simply don't do anything of the sort. Players like Carr-Smith, Fox, Worboys et al should definitely be getting time in this season where everything has become meaningless. I mentioned this in relation to Bailey. There was no planned introduction even though we were told regularly these players were 'highly valued'. Bailey was played simply because we ran out of 10's through injury.
We will never know what these players are like till they get a chance to play in the senior games. Its infuriating we pick the side that looks like it will do best rather than admit we can't win and learn about these players.
We may be getting thumped on a regular basis and have massive injury issues but we are blooding players who if they get a win should keep their place.
If Faletau were fit he would instantly replace Bayliss, is that right?
Completely agree.
There should be a group of young players identified who they should be aiming to get fully prem ready ready for next season while we have the chance.
Not just because there are no other options but to grow depth and allow rotation which helps in many many ways.
There should be players they are aiming to get 5-10 games into irrespective of injuries and availability- personally think that's the likes of cordwell, doughty, stewart, verden, merigan, staddon (when fit), carr-smith, worboys, butt, venter. Some of those had brief goes due to injury.- some may not be good enough (better to know now).
others should get lots more exposure based on what they have shown already eg bailey, mojo, richards, ghw.they have outshone many senior colleagues so in my mind are ready to be in the 23 most weeks.
Need to manage it and be strategic with it- how much would stewart learn between boyce and stuart with mcnally and ewels behind. Merigan could play with faletau at 6 helping him. Carr-smith could come off bench with faletau at 8 and cips at 10 etc etc.
Yep, pretty much what you'd expect from a competently run club.
Ah...
... IMHO, of course.
Now in Honolulu
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Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 19:16
Leinster Covid, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a COVID outbreak with us this week....
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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 19:38
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Leinster Covid, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a COVID outbreak with us this week....
That would be a severe indictment of the current protocols, if provable as coming from Leinster there would be mass cancellations of games. the system doesn't work!
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Posted by: Rawce (IP Logged)
Date: 13/12/2021 19:49
Quote:Playing youngsters. I think that has been the case under Hoops’ tenure and where we are exacerbates that.OutsideBathQuote:Rawce
I think the club are desperate for a win so will play the strongest team no matter what. I can’t see us winning enough games to give us a cushion, so I worry for the game time opportunities for the rest of the season bar the Prem Cup.
A cushion from what?
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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 14/12/2021 00:32
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Success next year is not being bottom at Xmas.
Success will also be anyone on this board actually caring about whether Bath are bottom next Xmas. There is a notable shift already on this board from anger and frustration at a loss to sad resignation and general lack of interest. This is reflected in my friends which have followed Bath for many many years. The golden days of being generally mediocre seem a long time ago now.
I am definitely feeling that. You get worn down by constant defeats & total lack of competitiveness. Fortunately my football team, West Ham, is doing pretty well so I am still able to be proud of a team I support. I don’t want Bath to remaining in this parless state but I have no interest in discussing particular matches - I’d rather ignore them. That can be changed by the right action being taken, not just papering over the cracks.
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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/12/2021 10:39
Quote:BathMatt53Quote:joethefanatic
Success next year is not being bottom at Xmas.
Success will also be anyone on this board actually caring about whether Bath are bottom next Xmas. There is a notable shift already on this board from anger and frustration at a loss to sad resignation and general lack of interest. This is reflected in my friends which have followed Bath for many many years. The golden days of being generally mediocre seem a long time ago now.
Spot on BathMatt - I also have also witnessed it in conversations with mates - the passion and desire for the club which drove the anger and disappointment and many of the posts on here has been drained and sucked out of them and myself included, much by the dithering and the projected/perceived reluctance to address issues by the club - heads are still very much buried in the sand - It was just so embarrassing just how easy Leinster found us in the first 30 minutes of Saturday - I have no doubt if Leinster had kept focussed it would have been in excess of 100 points.
That is not to detract from the effort the players exerted in the second half - A game should not be over and finished after 20 minutes no matter how bad you are.
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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 14/12/2021 11:45
Quote:Ali1969
A game should not be over and finished after 20 minutes no matter how bad you are.
But some games are - that's just how it goes and I think a lot of the Prem teams as well as Welsh, Scottish, Italian and even some French teams would similarly been blown away by a near International (and a good International at that - just beat the ABs) team on a mission. Future games might give us a clue.
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Date: 14/12/2021 19:53
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