HONOUR THE HEROES! BATH v TOULON

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OutsideBath
Dead game for Bath so hopefully we’ll play some entertaining rugby.

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HK890

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OutsideBath
Dead game for Bath so hopefully we’ll play some entertaining rugby.

I wouldn’t say it’s a dead game, win this game and we still have a chance at qualifying no ?

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OutsideBath

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HK890

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OutsideBath
Dead game for Bath so hopefully we’ll play some entertaining rugby.

I wouldn’t say it’s a dead game, win this game and we still have a chance at qualifying no ?

No, we’d still have to beat Glasgow 1st team and given we couldn’t beat their 2nd/3rd team it won’t happen. Might as well use the Toulon game as a training exercise for future games that mean something. Also play some entertaining rugby might be nice.

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Bath Supporter Jack
Let's just have some fun and play heads up rugby

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OutsideBath

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HK890

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OutsideBath
Dead game for Bath so hopefully we’ll play some entertaining rugby.

I wouldn’t say it’s a dead game, win this game and we still have a chance at qualifying no ?

No, we’d still have to beat Glasgow 1st team and given we couldn’t beat their 2nd/3rd team it won’t happen. Might as well use the Toulon game as a training exercise for future games that mean something. Also play some entertaining rugby might be nice.

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Optimist

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Bath Supporter Jack
Let's just have some fun and play heads up rugby

.... heads-up rugby, whilst also carrying an umbrella and wearing Wellies!

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The Bear

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Optimist

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Bath Supporter Jack
Let's just have some fun and play heads up rugby

.... heads-up rugby, whilst also carrying an umbrella and wearing Wellies!

This weekend will give a good assessment at whether we are 'tough to beat' but also whether we can win when conditions are tough.

Evidence so far is that at the hint of rain we lose all ability to catch the ball so resigned to there being a lot of scrums in this game...

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Bath Supporter Jack
Just looked at the forecast and it says its dry.......

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OutsideBath

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HK890

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OutsideBath
Dead game for Bath so hopefully we’ll play some entertaining rugby.

I wouldn’t say it’s a dead game, win this game and we still have a chance at qualifying no ?

No, we’d still have to beat Glasgow 1st team and given we couldn’t beat their 2nd/3rd team it won’t happen. Might as well use the Toulon game as a training exercise for future games that mean something. Also play some entertaining rugby might be nice.

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Barfboy
Do we still have a chance in Europe? I thought it was all over, so expected JvG to wave the white flag and play a second string team.
Should be a good game. Shame not to see Bastareaud in squad...was looking forward to seeing him at 8!

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Club monitoring overnight rainfall and river level
Currently no change to Challenge Cup fixture against Toulon

The club is monitoring overnight rainfall and river levels, and in particular their impact on the riverside footpath
Currently there is no change to the EPCR Challenge Cup fixture against Toulon at 15:15 on Saturday
The club will communicate with supporters by 10:00 on Saturday
Bath Rugby is monitoring the water level of the River Avon ahead of Saturday’s EPCR Challenge Cup match against Toulon.

Due to heavy and persistent rainfall over recent days, the Avon has exceeded its bank-full capacity with water flowing onto parts of the riverside footpath adjacent to The Rec.

The river level is currently falling following an extended period without rainfall. However, further rainfall is forecast overnight.

The safety of supporters attending The Rec is paramount. The club is monitoring overnight rainfall and river levels to ascertain if the water level of the Avon may impact access to The Rec on the riverside.

The club will communicate with supporters by 10:00 on Saturday morning confirming if there is any impact on access arrangements for the game, and providing full details at that time. At the current time there is no change to the fixture.

Please refrain from contacting Supporter Services at this time.

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OutsideBath
Seem to remember a Friday night game in 2013 or 2014? where the river had significantly overflowed and the police cordoned off the river path. Didn’t affect access to the ground much and the game went ahead as planned.

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Beergoggles
Hurry up club. Some of us have a long trek in that starts now (or even earlier).

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makeitagem
Probably move it 24 hours.

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charlieboa

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makeitagem
Probably move it 24 hours.

Could be best of a bad bunch of options . Don't think any more rain due? So depends if that is long enough for river level and water table to drop to make it safe for fans and players

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westglos
Hmmm. Where is your "reserve" ground for such eventualities.....?!

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westglos
Hmmm. Where is your "reserve" ground for such eventualities.....?!

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shipwrecked
Does raise a question for the future though, if the water level is up to the path!
With global warming these events are to be more common so might this have an impact on planning or is that already accounted for?

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Sheridan reporting that the match could be played behind doors at an alternative location, and now reporting (unofficially) that the match will not be played today.
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BathMatt53

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shipwrecked
Does raise a question for the future though, if the water level is up to the path!
With global warming these events are to be more common so might this have an impact on planning or is that already accounted for?

It will be accounted for. The EIA process will include an Environmental Statement with a chapter on hydrology and hydrogeology. The Recreation Ground falls within Zone 3 of the Environment Agency Flood Zone Map, with part designated as Zone 3b 'functional floodplain'.

If you are interested in the specifics then there was a detailed flood risk assessment submitted by Buro Happold with application ref: 15/05237/FUL.

The National Planning Policy Framework para 161 requires that:

161. All plans should apply a sequential, risk-based approach to the location of
development – taking into account all sources of flood risk and the current and future
impacts of climate change – so as to avoid, where possible, flood risk to people and
property.

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shipwrecked

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BathMatt53

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shipwrecked
Does raise a question for the future though, if the water level is up to the path!
With global warming these events are to be more common so might this have an impact on planning or is that already accounted for?

It will be accounted for. The EIA process will include an Environmental Statement with a chapter on hydrology and hydrogeology. The Recreation Ground falls within Zone 3 of the Environment Agency Flood Zone Map, with part designated as Zone 3b 'functional floodplain'.

If you are interested in the specifics then there was a detailed flood risk assessment submitted by Buro Happold with application ref: 15/05237/FUL.

The National Planning Policy Framework para 161 requires that:

161. All plans should apply a sequential, risk-based approach to the location of
development – taking into account all sources of flood risk and the current and future
impacts of climate change – so as to avoid, where possible, flood risk to people and
property.

Cheers for that, I was looking at some of the previous flooding in Bath, scary!

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BathMatt53

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Sheridan reporting that the match could be played behind doors at an alternative location, and now reporting (unofficially) that the match will not be played today.
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If Chippenham isn't flooded they should use that - the club has already said its fine and if its behind closed doors they don't need the capacity.

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OutsideBath
There’s no rain in the forecast for rest of today or tomorrow so maybe game could be played at the Rec with a crowd.

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OutsideBath
Really not happy about that, why not Bristol which is closer?
Also thinking about it Bath players will now have only 5 days rest before Glasgow which isn’t great for a player health point of view.

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Susanne

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OutsideBath
Really not happy about that, why not Bristol which is closer?
Also thinking about it Bath players will now have only 5 days rest before Glasgow which isn’t great for a player health point of view.

Think you need to take it up with the weather gods. Our ground is by a river and the club have moved very quickly to put contingency plans in place. It must be easier to move to a dedicated rugby ground than a shared one.

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OutsideBath
Really not happy about that, why not Bristol which is closer?
Also thinking about it Bath players will now have only 5 days rest before Glasgow which isn’t great for a player health point of view.

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Beergoggles
Presumably there will be refunds for the who can't go ?
I'm still not happy with telling us we'd get a decision by 10, an update at 9.45 too say they're planning to faff about, and then continuing to faff about until 11. That seems to be 'bath of old' communications. It seemed fairly obvious you'd need an Arc to come to the game in, why not call it off earlier.

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Which Tyler
I really don't get why anyone is looking to castigate Bath Rugby for this.

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OutsideBath
I guess it is what it is, I've always tried to avoid going to that place, where's the best place to park?

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P G Tips
Here you are OB:
[www.yourparkingspace.co.uk]

PG

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TC@Glaws

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OutsideBath
I guess it is what it is, I've always tried to avoid going to that place, where's the best place to park?

Lots of free parking around CG. Locals won't thank me me, but you'll find these roads anyway.

- Try Denmark Road (and a number of roads off it) - a pretty long road and, depending on where you are able to find a spot, between a 5 and 20 minutes walk.
- Estcourt Road, a dual carriageway with parallel side roads, about a mile long but around 10 minutes away at its closest.

If you're struggling still, plenty of multi-story car parks in the centre about a 20 minutes walk.

Hare Lane carpark is a pay and display open carpark near the cathedral, about a 5 minutes walk to CG.

Good luck tomorrow.

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P G Tips
Apparently WB that is the initial position while Glos assess level of demand.
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P G Tips
Apparently WB that is the initial position while Glos assess level of demand.
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OutsideBath

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P G Tips
Apparently WB that is the initial position while Glos assess level of demand.
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Just had a look and you can sit pretty much where you like, so suspect the ground is going to be quite empty.

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OutsideBath

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P G Tips
Apparently WB that is the initial position while Glos assess level of demand.
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Just had a look and you can sit pretty much where you like, so suspect the ground is going to be quite empty.

Only the Malvern Stand open OB

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OutsideBath
The only way to 100% guarantee no flooding is for Bath rugby to move out of the city, is that what we really want SW?

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OutsideBath
The only way to 100% guarantee no flooding is for Bath rugby to move out of the city, is that what we really want SW?

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OutsideBath
The only way to 100% guarantee no flooding is for Bath rugby to move out of the city, is that what we really want SW?

Of course not OB why on earth do you say that? My thought was that if planning consent was to be granted then flooding of the ground for safety reasons might be an issue. This was answered my BathMatt53 above. As part of that comment CC mentioned that the plans involved moving the ground away from the river by 25m. My question was lateral movement would make little difference. Vertical movement would be different altogether but ground/stand height has been a huge bone of contention in previous discussions.

Winning a legal battle over objections is one thing, defeating nature and global warming could have been more difficult.

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Malco
Global warming.
Because it has never flooded in Bath before...

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shipwrecked

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OutsideBath
The only way to 100% guarantee no flooding is for Bath rugby to move out of the city, is that what we really want SW?

Of course not OB why on earth do you say that? My thought was that if planning consent was to be granted then flooding of the ground for safety reasons might be an issue. This was answered my BathMatt53 above. As part of that comment CC mentioned that the plans involved moving the ground away from the river by 25m. My question was lateral movement would make little difference. Vertical movement would be different altogether but ground/stand height has been a huge bone of contention in previous discussions.

Winning a legal battle over objections is one thing, defeating nature and global warming could have been more difficult.

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B4thB4ck
I am sure building a Severn Barage beyond Avonmouth is well within Bruce's budget for the stadium SW! ;-)

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Reccing Ball
If the Rec is to continue being a designated flood plane then surely the pitch cannot be raised.
The only way to stop the ground water getting through to the pitch is to put the pitch in some sort of water tight box but BR said that this wouldn’t be possible because even if the box was made of concrete the whole box would float on the ground and water. I assume being at the bottom of a river valley it would be too expensive to fasten suggested box to the bed rock.

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B4thB4ck

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Reccing Ball
If the Rec is to continue being a designated flood plane then surely the pitch cannot be raised.
The only way to stop the ground water getting through to the pitch is to put the pitch in some sort of water tight box but BR said that this wouldn’t be possible because even if the box was made of concrete the whole box would float on the ground and water. I assume being at the bottom of a river valley it would be too expensive to fasten suggested box to the bed rock.

This will give me nightmares tonight, the thought of sitting in a stand at a match whilst the stadium starts to float down the Avon Valley towards Bristol.....

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OutsideBath
Er I'm not, I'm just saying I'm not happy (I assume you'll permit me to be unhappy with the move?) and I can't see why we don't play at Bristol.

You've straightened that out for me so thanks for that and now I'll decide tomorrow if I want to go.

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shipwrecked
Not sure how being 25m further away from the Avon is going to help this mind.

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joethefanatic
Sumps and pumps are a pretty well tried solution to the problem.

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Gaughers
What about Merigan, is he still on loan somewhere? With Bayliss, Chippy and now Reid all playing ahead of him and all being flankers, I can't see him being retained.

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abendanon-anon-anon
I notice from Beeb that Underhill was replaced after 37 min - another head injury?

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shipwrecked

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abendanon-anon-anon
I notice from Beeb that Underhill was replaced after 37 min - another head injury?

According to the radio commentary no contact with another player was involved, he fell over and banged his head on the ground!

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B4thB4ck

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B4thB4ck

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Reccing Ball
If the Rec is to continue being a designated flood plane then surely the pitch cannot be raised.
The only way to stop the ground water getting through to the pitch is to put the pitch in some sort of water tight box but BR said that this wouldn’t be possible because even if the box was made of concrete the whole box would float on the ground and water. I assume being at the bottom of a river valley it would be too expensive to fasten suggested box to the bed rock.

This will give me nightmares tonight, the thought of sitting in a stand at a match whilst the stadium starts to float down the Avon Valley towards Bristol.....

Could bring a new meaning to the term 'drifting defence' ?

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B4thB4ck
I haven't seen the game but have noted a few comments about Bailey's kicking. I presume this is off the tee. Did I read somewhere that he is being coached? By the time you are in your early 20s it is too late to re model a kicking action IMO, a bit of tinkering maybe but that's it. It sounds as though he has gone backwards in success rate - or am I being unfair because these were difficult chances?
I may be old fashioned but I say let him work out for himself what works best and that might mean going back to what he used to do?

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Rowancroft73
I feel really concerned for Underhill. I remember Lippy and the sad consequences of his style of play, which of course we weren’t aware of the fall out back then. Sam has many of Lipman’s playing DNA but is in an era of increased understanding of repeated head traumas. The bravest decision Sam could make is to retire before it’s too late.

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OutsideBath
However we lost because we are a really poor side that has regressed as the season has gone on.

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B4thB4ck
I haven't seen the game but have noted a few comments about Bailey's kicking. I presume this is off the tee. Did I read somewhere that he is being coached? By the time you are in your early 20s it is too late to re model a kicking action IMO, a bit of tinkering maybe but that's it. It sounds as though he has gone backwards in success rate - or am I being unfair because these were difficult chances?
I may be old fashioned but I say let him work out for himself what works best and that might mean going back to what he used to do?

Bailey’s kicking from the tee was appalling BB, he missed one sitter, one kick from around the 10m line didn’t even reach the posts and in total he cost us 8pts.

However we lost because we are a really poor side that has regressed as the season has gone on.

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B4thB4ck
I haven't seen the game but have noted a few comments about Bailey's kicking. I presume this is off the tee. Did I read somewhere that he is being coached? By the time you are in your early 20s it is too late to re model a kicking action IMO, a bit of tinkering maybe but that's it. It sounds as though he has gone backwards in success rate - or am I being unfair because these were difficult chances?
I may be old fashioned but I say let him work out for himself what works best and that might mean going back to what he used to do?

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B4thB4ck
I haven't seen the game but have noted a few comments about Bailey's kicking. I presume this is off the tee. Did I read somewhere that he is being coached? By the time you are in your early 20s it is too late to re model a kicking action IMO, a bit of tinkering maybe but that's it. It sounds as though he has gone backwards in success rate - or am I being unfair because these were difficult chances?
I may be old fashioned but I say let him work out for himself what works best and that might mean going back to what he used to do?

Completely agree, Callard's arrival has coincided with Bailey's drop in percentages. Problem is that he is the only 10 we have given that Piers Francis is a 12/10 and Worboys isn't ready where do we go? He has just lost confidence and that seems to be affecting his all round game. We have to note that it's Gallagher that is regularly nailing the penalties to touch.

We just have to fudge now till the end of the season I guess.

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wetside
Nothing that Finn won't put right. Watched him today. If he was playing for us at Kingsholm, which I also watch up there, it would imo have been a positive result for us.

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Bath Hammer
When OB was a youngster he was thought to be outstanding & a future international. There was constant pressure from supporters to play him & Hooper did so quite early on. He had the look of a quality player but the sheen has gone off it seems. Clearly the JC tuition is a disaster & needs to be terminated. That won’t have helped his confidence but the rest of his game looks fairly mediocre. It now seems questionable whether he will make it at this level which is sad.

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OutsideBath
However we lost because we are a really poor side that has regressed as the season has gone on.

I think we are a poor side, not a really poor side, and I think we’ve stood still as opposed to regressed. Sounds pedantic, but there are glimmers of hope.

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shipwrecked
Completely agree, Callard's arrival has coincided with Bailey's drop in percentages. Problem is that he is the only 10 we have given that Piers Francis is a 12/10 and Worboys isn't ready where do we go? He has just lost confidence and that seems to be affecting his all round game. We have to note that it's Gallagher that is regularly nailing the penalties to touch.
We just have to fudge now till the end of the season I guess.

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Speaking to my colleague in the office this morning who went to the game he was much more upbeat than the messages above.

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B4thB4ck
I didn't see yesterdays game but in previous games we sometimes opted for the ambitious throw to the back of the lineout

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BathMatt53

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B4thB4ck
I didn't see yesterdays game but in previous games we sometimes opted for the ambitious throw to the back of the lineout

Are you sure they didn't just overthrow / miss the jumper / not lift high enough?!

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I didn't see yesterdays game but in previous games we sometimes opted for the ambitious throw to the back of the lineout

Are you sure they didn't just overthrow / miss the jumper / not lift high enough?!

Watching at home, to me it looked like poor timing - the lift was too late and the ball had flown over the jumper, rather than going for a 15m+ throw - there was no one there to receive it, hence the easy gather and score for Toulon!