“MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.


Ojomoh: injury doubt?

By Devonport Lad
April 21 2026

In JvG we trust, reads the banner often seen proudly displayed by Bath supporters both at home and away games. And yes, we do, but the next couple of games are arguably season defining. As JvG and his team finalise their preparations for huge challenges in the Prem and in Europe, the thoughts of another South African, Nelson Mandela, who also understood a bit about hard decisions seem to strike a chord.

The choices facing JvG over the next couple of weeks are particularly difficult. Saints at the Gardens followed by Bordeaux away are probably the biggest challenges to any team either in the Prem or in the Champions Cup. Get it right over those games and we’re well on the way to a glorious finish to the season. But get it wrong and the outsize pachyderm in the room which says that we could fall short in both competitions becomes increasingly difficult to ignore.

I suppose you could argue that whilst the Champions Cup semi-final is an all or nothing game, and with 25 points still available in the Prem a loss against Saints on Saturday might not be terminal to our playoff ambitions. However, it’s still tight at the top with five or possibly six teams in with a shout and speaking personally, I’d rather not go into the final game of the season against Leicester having to win to secure a playoff place. Since it's the "alligator closest to the canoe", how do we look going into the Northampton game?

Saints are undeniably in good shape. They secured a very impressive win at Sandy Park against an Exeter side who have been on an upward trajectory as the season progresses. It's never easy at Exeter and we've got to go there in a few weeks. Saints' determination to go the full distance and grab the win in the 80th minute speaks volumes about their mindset now and of course thanks to our win over them in the Champions Cup quarter final, they can now focus exclusively on winning the Prem.

Our match against an injury ravaged Quins wasn’t quite at the level of intensity of our previous couple of games but that might work to our advantage. Parking concerns about possible injuries to Ollie Lawrence and Max Ojomoh for the moment, there were positives to take from that game in terms of how we cope in the absence of key leaders on the pitch. Ben Spencer's captaincy is superb but Charlie Ewels, an experienced captain in his own right, ably stepped up to the plate in his absence and Tom Carr-Smith and the increasingly impressive Bernard Van der Linde, were more than capable scrum halves. There were standout performances from the "usual suspects" and Joe Cokanasiga seems to be reaching new levels in his game, consistently winning balls in the air and throwing his considerable physique about in defence.

However, it was Santi Carreras who really caught the eye. On a day when Finn Russell wasn't quite "on it" in terms of his normal talismanic standards, Santi looked as if he'd suddenly become unshackled. Starting at 15 and then moving to 10, arguably for the first time in blue black and white he looked like the player who delivers truly international class performances for Argentina and that is hugely reassuring for our strength in depth as we chase the dream on two fronts.

We know how highly JvG regards the Champions Cup and I don't think there is any doubt that he will wish to field the "gun" team in Bordeaux, so that puts the emphasis back on selection for Saints. Last season  our points difference over our nearest rivals for a Prem playoff spot was so great that we had the luxury of sending effectively a Prem Cup squad to Cardiff to take on Bristol, but it's different this year and it's reasonable to think that in our quest for a Prem playoff we need to get something out of our visit to Northampton, who will themselves be looking for a home win to put some blue water between us and them. There is also the question of ensuring that we don't go to Bordeaux "undercooked" whilst seeking to avoid injuries in critical positions, particularly the front row. A difficult balance!

So will JvG rotate heavily for Northampton and look to the "purples" to take on the current Prem leaders or will he take more of a business-as-usual approach, keeping the changes to more or less those that we would expect to see week to week? Many of us would expect the former but I've got a feeling it might be more of the latter. I can't call it and I'll leave it to others to try to pick the squad!

That said, whichever squad is selected, we can be sure the choices will have been made based on hope rather than fear.

COYB

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 08:03

Good headline choice and write up DL.

Other than maybe one TCS or BvdL I'd be surprised if anyone is making the trip this week that is being lined up for the 23 in France. Hopefully the team we send can give a good account of themselves and will be a useful for one or two players to see how they're shaping up against strong opppositon.

Saints can blow almost anyone away on their day but they haven't been very good defensively the last few weeks so no reason to think a losing bonus point is out of reach

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Benisjammin (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 08:36

I take the opposite view. We need to go reasonably strong against Saints to both build momentum for the UBB clash but also because our prem position is somewhat precarious. If the match ends with Saints getting 5 and Bath getting nothing we are in the dog fight for the playoffs whilst Saints will pretty much be guaranteed to top the log at the end of the season. Really we should be aiming to win and continue our unbeaten 2026.

p.s. Great preview DL.



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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 08:37

Is a single point going to be the difference between 2nd and 3rd? I can’t see it when we have a show-down with the actual contender for 2nd/3rd. If we’re aiming for a win, then it requires a ‘Cup final’ selection. Personally, I’d wrap the Bordeaux starting 23 in cotton wool.

Great write-up by the way!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 08:56

My guess for this week,
De Glanville
Hennessey
Butt
Redpath
Muir
Donoghue
Carr-Smith
Kirk
Frost
Griffin
Richards
Moloney
Bayliss
Stadden
Reid

Emanuel, Tuipolotu, Verden, Jeanes, Green, Van der Linde, Harris, Opoku- Gyamfi

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 09:16

I would send a 2nd/3rd "PREM Cup 24/25" squad, with our 25/26 Cup Final XV in the spa at Farleigh.

Having said that, I'm confident that a back line including the likes of Muir, Hennessy, Butt, BVDL etc will compete, make things happen, score c4 tries, but I'm worried that if we don't send a 1st-ish XV front five, the game could get away from us. Saints' scrum has been good, so Kirk Frost Griffin Jeanes Richards could get bossed, allowing Saints all the momentum at home, and the back line pick would become irrelevant.

But having said that, with Stuart out and Beno and Roux struggling with knocks, we can't afford for TDT or VW or Ewels to go down too ahead of what will be a mammoth set piece test in SW France. Sooo, in conclusion, #InJvGWeTrust.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Tlacey90 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 09:17

I agree with others that we ideally want points from Saints away would be great to get 2 and limit the points difference. This would help maintain top 2 so feel we need a balanced squad. Also respecting and putting importance on Prem so some changes but not full lot from last week.

I wonder if it would be a lot for Donoghue to come straight in to start at 10 after months out with big injury. I'd like to see Arthur Green get a start to rest Reid and think maybe Tuipolotu will start this one for experience. Think its a game to start Van der Linde against Mitchell or McPharland as both quick and he's attacking.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 10:13

Quote:
dr.bath1865
I would send a 2nd/3rd "PREM Cup 24/25" squad, with our 25/26 Cup Final XV in the spa at Farleigh.

+1

Personally the PL means more to me, but as we’ll probably never have a better chance of winning the CC might as well rest all players going to be involved at BB.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 10:51

Quote:
dr.bath1865
I would send a 2nd/3rd "PREM Cup 24/25" squad, with our 25/26 Cup Final XV in the spa at Farleigh.
Having said that, I'm confident that a back line including the likes of Muir, Hennessy, Butt, BVDL etc will compete, make things happen, score c4 tries, but I'm worried that if we don't send a 1st-ish XV front five, the game could get away from us. Saints' scrum has been good, so Kirk Frost Griffin Jeanes Richards could get bossed, allowing Saints all the momentum at home, and the back line pick would become irrelevant.

But having said that, with Stuart out and Beno and Roux struggling with knocks, we can't afford for TDT or VW or Ewels to go down too ahead of what will be a mammoth set piece test in SW France. Sooo, in conclusion, #InJvGWeTrust.

Pretty much this. Pick your battles. Injuries are starting to bite so we simply must rotate and hope that a young tight 5 can do us proud. BVDL would be my 21 in Bordeaux though.

Very difficult to challenge on 2 fronts and we have an opportunity to do something no English team has done since 2020. Mammoth test but a one-off game, unlike Saints away.

PS another +1 for the write up. Thanks to you (and all other contributors) for the effort you put into them

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 11:03

Surely there's no real need to risk injury or/and fatigue from fielding our UBB selection to start against Saints

A try bonus point should be well within a second choice 15 with a few first choices ready on the bench if needed

A LBP not inconceivable either

But worst case scenario has to be to go very strong and not win and pick up a couple of injuries/hia

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 11:04

Great review btw, a really enjoyable read. Thank you

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 11:27

Winning both the Prem and the Champions Cup does feel like a bit of a Mission Impossible, but I'd rather we fell short trying to do that - rather than prioritising one competition or the other.

Semi-finals - in my view - should be regarded as a successful season - so, IMO, this season is already an 8/10. Reaching at least one final = 9/10; Winning at least one cup = 10/10. Winning both ... turn the volume up to 11!!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: jayeatman (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 11:43

I see it very much Opti's way.
0 or 1 point from the Saints game isn't going to make the difference.
Saints beating Exeter last weekend make it easier for us to come 2nd.
If they also do the job away to Tigers, even better.

The added bonus of having 2 diferent starting 15s is the teams can train together.
I would go as far as completely different 23s though.
We may have 30-38 PREM quality players fit, not so sure it stretches to 46!

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 11:44

That's pretty much also exactly my view, Opti. I feel that given how we broke our decades long duck and won silverware last year, I'm fine for us to have a crack at the Euro Cup this year, even if that means potentially, ultimately, failing.

Last season, exemplified by our selection for Treviso (but I think that was JVG rotating rather than prioritising, although they're the same thing I know), I was fully supportive of our focus on the more achievable goal of winning the league. But this year, with TDT leaving and Finn at his peak, I'm glad we're going all out for the Euro Cup.

To be honest, if we go down in a blaze of glory to better teams on both fronts, I'll be happy.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 12:20

To be honest, if we go down in a blaze of glory to better teams on both fronts, I'll be happy.[/quote]

Absolutely this, We have to give the CC priority this week. This time last year Saints picked strong teams prior to the semi and final, I presume for continuity and the knowledge they were not going to make top 4.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 13:12

Quote:
Optimist
Winning both the Prem and the Champions Cup does feel like a bit of a Mission Impossible, but I'd rather we fell short trying to do that - rather than prioritising one competition or the other.
Semi-finals - in my view - should be regarded as a successful season - so, IMO, this season is already an 8/10. Reaching at least one final = 9/10; Winning at least one cup = 10/10. Winning both ... turn the volume up to 11!!

Hmm, that's probably where I was at start of season but given current context I'm seeing it slightly differently

Assuming low, insignificant impact of injuries from here then we really should make Prem final

Not getting there means we either fell short of 2nd spot or lost a home semi. Either scenario are very possible but would leave me feeling disappointed and sense of underachievement

Reaching semi in big euro cup is, no doubt, very impressive tho but doesn't change my thinking about where we should get to in the Prem

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 15:00

Quote:
dr.bath1865

Last season, exemplified by our selection for Treviso (but I think that was JVG rotating rather than prioritising, although they're the same thing I know), I was fully supportive of our focus on the more achievable goal of winning the league. But this year, with TDT leaving and Finn at his peak, I'm glad we're going all out for the Euro Cup.

The Doc is reading my mind today.

We won't know how we go without TdT next season, but we know how good we are with him this season, so let's try and make history while he's still ours!

Was reminded by comms in Bordeaux's QF how desperate they were to sign TdT, so will be very wary of him. That and Finn Russell in the form of his life, twinned with all our other threats make it feel like a now or never in Europe.

If we have to sacrifice a few points in the PREM in order to try and win the big Cup so be it.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: jayeatman (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 15:36

If we finish the season trophyless I will be disappointed, despite the fact that there wouldn't be any shame in losing away to Bordeaux or againts Saints in top form at Twickenham.
I still think the Euro QF was the pivot point. Losing to Saints would have triggered a very different scenario. I feel now that win or lose the next two games, we can be upbeat all the way to the PREM final.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: boozeboozebooze (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 15:46

Bit of injury news from Saints

[www.northamptonchron.co.uk]

Langdon and Ramm definitely out
Pearson and Coles probably out
Plus Davison and Todaro who are confirmed out for the season

Fischetti, Green and Hutchinson available having been rested versus Exeter.

So I'm guessing they are going to go something like:

Fischetti, Smith, Kundiona
JJvdM, Lockett
Kemeney, Chick, Pollock
Mitchell, Smith
Dingwall, Hutchinson
Freeman, Furbank, Hendy

Wright, Iyogun, Millar-Mills, Prowse, Graham, MacParland, Belleau, Litchfield

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: boozeboozebooze (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 15:54

And just like that, Bath's injury update as well!

[www.somersetlive.co.uk]

Lawrence doesn't sound too bad
Ojomoh a bit more vague, but potentially might be back for Bordeaux
Spencer sounded like a very precautionary withdrawal
Positive noises regarding Obano and Roux

As we've speculated, none of the above will be involved this week

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 16:36

Really like JvGs comments about Donoghue. Very exciting

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 16:40

Agree gaz - just hope he stays at 10 ... just love a fly-half with proper gas.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: copester (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 17:45

No Opoku-Gyamfi for Bath Uni tomorrow so would guess he's playing Saturday?

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 18:05

Quote:
copester
No Opoku-Gyamfi for Bath Uni tomorrow so would guess he's playing Saturday?

Indeed and no Sam Winters in that team either if he is not injured that team could be devoid of senior players.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 18:23

Quote:
gaz59
Hmm, that's probably where I was at start of season but given current context I'm seeing it slightly differently Assuming low, insignificant impact of injuries from here then we really should make Prem final Not getting there means we either fell short of 2nd spot or lost a home semi. Either scenario are very possible but would leave me feeling disappointed and sense of underachievement
Reaching semi in big euro cup is, no doubt, very impressive tho but doesn't change my thinking about where we should get to in the Prem

I completely agree

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 18:55

Quote:
Barfboy
PS another +1 for the write up. Thanks to you (and all other contributors) for the effort you put into them

Seconded – thanks to everyone for the great previews!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 20:09

Quote:
copester
My guess for this week,
De Glanville
Hennessey
Butt
Redpath
Muir
Donoghue
Carr-Smith
Kirk
Frost
Griffin
Richards
Moloney
Bayliss
Stadden
Reid

Emanuel, Tuipolotu, Verden, Jeanes, Green, Van der Linde, Harris, Opoku- Gyamfi

Don't think this will be far off.

Hopefully good enough to get a BP - more likely a try scoring one in an open , high scoring game.

Exciting opp for lots of players.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2026 20:40

Finishing top of the league is non-essential to me. Finishing 2nd though should be the target and is manageable around our European adventure.

The games against Bristol, Exeter and Leicester are more significant to achieving that so I would back a changed side against Saints, like most on here.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 06:25

Think we all pretty much are in agreeance - shut the internet down it’s finally happened!

It’ll be a rotation side this week for sure, someone mentioned the psychological factor of denying Saints a win against our top 23 which I don’t disagree with.

A bonus point or two will be key, but given we still have Chiefs and Tigers to play it’s in our own hands to guarantee top two.

Would love to be back at HQ for the final, but also agree that competing on two fronts is difficult for the squad and prioritising the CC isn’t daft given the make up of our squad. That being said, the top teams often need a season or two of semi or final losses to learn what it takes to win the CC so maybe we’re hoping for too much?

Too many questions, as ever I know JvG will have the answers!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 08:39

Quote:
copester
No Opoku-Gyamfi for Bath Uni tomorrow so would guess he's playing Saturday?

I hope the appropriate protocols are in place if he collides with van der Mescht

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 13:42

In terms of reasons why this season is our window of opp for champions cup we have discussed tdt leaving.

Another important factor is red bulls investment in Newcastle.

In effect means you will have 18 extremely tough prem fixtures where there is jeopardy in selection.

May make the task alter from near impossible to impossible in terms of fighting on 2 fronts

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 13:46

In terms of selection , where there is a relatively tight bench selection call I am happy for the candidates to both be involved on Saturday.

For example bayliss and reid, malony and richards, tcs and bvdl, hennessey and butt.

Even if one is just on the bench.

May be the difference between 0 points and an important 1 or 2 points in the final standings.

Not sure I would risk kepu and frost and definitely not griffin and sela.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 15:53

Quote:
Charlieboa1
In terms of reasons why this season is our window of opp for champions cup we have discussed tdt leaving.
Another important factor is red bulls investment in Newcastle.

In effect means you will have 18 extremely tough prem fixtures where there is jeopardy in selection.

May make the task alter from near impossible to impossible in terms of fighting on 2 fronts

I don’t see how Newcastle makes much difference - all 9 teams will have to play them and it’s not like anyone should take them lightly even this season.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 16:13

I'm with Charlie on that - seems like a valid observation. Yes, everyone has to play Newcastle, but it's in relation to our genuine Champions Cup aspirations, rather than a straight shoot-out with the other GP clubs. We are running such a fine balancing act with our playing resources compared to the French clubs and Leinster, that those 2 extra 'Cup-selection-required' games could tip the balance.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 17:14

Exactly opti.

If we make the champions cup final I would fully expect us to make lots of changes for newcastle and still win.

That is a huge help when trying to fight on 2 fronts.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2026 17:32

Although i was firmly of the belief that making a semi-final could be considered Step 1 in a 3-year plan to try and win the Champions Cup, I'm now starting to think that this year is as good a chance as we'll get, especially with the Finn/TdT effect at its zenith. The French club game is in such rude health that they are only going to get stronger, so any edge we get in terms of that experience is going to be met by equal or greater advances elsewhere.

In theory - should we fall short this year - we could take some emphasis off the GP and prioritise the CRC, but that's a risky old business.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 23/04/2026 07:59

Quote:
Optimist
Although i was firmly of the belief that making a semi-final could be considered Step 1 in a 3-year plan to try and win the Champions Cup, I'm now starting to think that this year is as good a chance as we'll get, especially with the Finn/TdT effect at its zenith. The French club game is in such rude health that they are only going to get stronger, so any edge we get in terms of that experience is going to be met by equal or greater advances elsewhere.
In theory - should we fall short this year - we could take some emphasis off the GP and prioritise the CRC, but that's a risky old business.

This where I am too. Even allowing for losing TdT and Barbeary next year our window to win the Prem is still there. We might well get beaten by a better team next week or in the final if it comes to that but this is the big opportunity for Europe

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 23/04/2026 11:33

I still feel like this is a stepping stone - even allowing for the departures. That being said, a win is firmly within our grasp!

Saturday has to be a B team for me, rest everyone up for CC. We can easily grab a bonus point or two against Saints.

Flip side, if we send a B team and win (shades of Sale away) then wow, it’s an absolute marker set down to everyone else in the league!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 23/04/2026 18:53

I hope JVG will go with a B team and stress to everyone involved Saturday to play without the pressure of a must win match. Valuable game time for those involved, the Saints crowd will be baying for blood and their youth and relative inexperience probably won't be enough to get anything from the game. However they will be representing the club in the knowledge they are understudies in what will the start of a period of unimaginable difficulty. UBB and beyond are all must win games, the A team must be protected this weekend and those playing on Saturday will be doing it for them also with the knowledge that any injuries at UBB and beyond will thrust them into the limelight. They have showed this season they can step up.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 23/04/2026 21:19

I really don't like "must win". Yes, these are the games that we should put out our best 23 and everything we can to win them, but "must win" just loads unfair pressure on the players. We play as well as we can and get beaten? I can accept that. I would not begrudge UBB and the Saints the trophies because they've been excellent all season. But I desperately want us to beat both of them!

... IMHO, of course.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 09:06

I think you're just semanticising there Joe. Tomorrow is not a 'must-win' game, because it's a battle not a war. Next week is a 'must-win' game. I'm perfectly happy to recognise that it's a 'must-win' game for UBB too, and (un)happily acknowledge their excellence should they prevail.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 09:28

Yeh- tomorrow would be a 'nice to win' but UBB is a 'need to win', or else it's game over in that comp. IMO neither are 'must win'... as long as whoever plays in BB&W shows up and gives it a good go!

Funny how a lot of the press around tomorrow's game is still talking it up as the 3rd part in the trilogy, and the game of the season to date etc. I just don't see JvG doing anything other than putting out a 2nd/3rd team, so I don't understand how it's going to be anything but a test for Saints not to step on a reserve team-shaped banana skin (like we did in December at home). Will be a fun game- with the chance for some fringe lads, like Frost, Richards, Staddon, Green, Donoghue, Butt, Hennesssy, to put their hands up- but any points for us and anything other than a dominant Saints win will be a great result for us. (also, see what I'm doing here... ; ) ).

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:09

I am confident whoever dons the BBW tomorrow evening will give everything they have got - that is one of the most satisfying aspects since JvG joined, he has galvanised every player in the squad and everytime Bath FC have taken the field whether in victory or loss they have given their all and I do not see any different tomorrow.

As for next week that in JvG's language is NEXT WEEK start thinking about it on Monday. The cards are stacked against us in the European Cup - we have the huge challenge of playing Bordeaux in Bordeaux such a neutral venue and then if we are successful we travel to Spain for the Final.

Whilst also packing in a hell of a difficult end to the Prem season - I am concerned with travelling etc that it may be a bridge too far but who knows. One thing this season which I am concerned about is how the loss of Will Stuart has affected us - yes a player of his statue and quality would be felt but I just feel and this is not meant to be harsh that Archie Griffin and Billy Sela have struggled, albeit hopefully learned and gained a lot of experience.

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Posted by: Tlacey90 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:29

Bath Rugby: 1 Scott Kirk, 2 Dan Frost, 3 Kieran Verden, 4 Ewan Richards, 5 Ross Molony, 6 Josh Bayliss, 7 Miles Reid (c), 8 Arthur Green, 9 Bernard van der Linde, 10 Ciaran Donoghue, 11 Will Muir, 12 Will Butt, 13 Chris Harris, 14 Louie Hennessey, 15 Tom de Glanville

Replacements: 16 Kepu Tuipulotu, 17 Francois van Wyk, 18 Archie Griffin, 19 Enoch Opoku-Gyamfu, 20 Ted Hill, 21 Tom Carr-Smith, 22 Sam Winters, 23 Sam Underhill

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:30

Ciaran returns!

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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:30

As expected completely changed team. Just great to see Ciaran back playing. Go have fun boys nothing to lose.

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Posted by: Tlacey90 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:44

Northampton Saints team: 15 George Hendy, 14 Tommy Freeman, 13 Tom Litchfield, 12 Fraser Dingwall (c), 11 Ollie Sleightholme, 10 Fin Smith, 9 Alex Mitchell
1 Emmanuel Iyogun, 2 Craig Wright, 3 Luke Green4 Tom Lockett, 5 Ed Prowse,6 Josh Kemeny, 7 Sam Graham, 8 Henry Pollock

Replacements:16 Robbie Smith, 17 Danilo Fischetti, 18 Cleopas Kundiona, 19 JJ Van Der Mescht, 20 Chunya Munga, 21 Callum Chick, 22 Archie McParland, 23 Rory Hutchinson
Not available for selection: Alex Coles, Trevor Davison, George Furbank, Tom James, Curtis Langdon, Henry Lumley, Tom Pearson, James Ramm, Freddie St John, Edoardo Todaro and Charlie Ulcoq.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:44

Wow, yes a proper squad effort there (i.e. a Prem Cup team). A sensible choice under the circumstances and will be great experience for the younger players involved. Any points at all will be a bonus from this match but it's the long game that really matters.

COYB!

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Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:47

Stronger than I thought we go and a team that seems capable of getting a bonus point.

Would have liked to see Hennessey get a chance at 13 but brilliant to see Donoghue back

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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:51

Who would be the backup Fly-Half?

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:55

Lots of emerging talent in that side against Saints, Scott Kirk (22), Arthur Green (22), Ciaran Donoghue, (23) Louie Hennessey, (22) Kepu Tuipulotu, (20) Archie Griffin, (24) Enoch Opoku-Gyamfu, (20) Sam Winters (19). That 10 of the 23. I wonder if we are close to fielding a Bath Prem side under 25 if you adding Sela, Jeanes, Cuckson with Ieuan Davies (21)and Ioan Emmanuel on loan as well having both played in the Challenge cup. Insane strength in depth.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:57

Quote:
hemington
Who would be the backup Fly-Half?

TdG or Sam Winters would be my guess

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”.
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 11:57

Quote:
hemington
Who would be the backup Fly-Half?

I assume TDG with Winters to 15?

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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:10

Is their pack a touch underpowered?

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Posted by: Smooothsides (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:12

Quote:
Bath Hammer
Is their pack a touch underpowered?
Langdon, Davison, Coles and Pearson are all out injured, it's first choice based on who's fit with the exception of Van Der Mescht not starting.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: hanuman (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:18

Would have liked to see Cameron in the squad but can’t argue with the team. Great to see Ciaran back. Looking forward to the game and some points

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:39

Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

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Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:46

Stronger than I thought, but no Staddon. Pretty much confirms the squad for UBB.

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:52

Quote:
nick holder
Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

Yeah, that's what the players and coaches are thinking. No point turning up

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:53

Quote:
A.M 180
Ciaran returns!

And with BvdL at 9 that could be such an exciting combo

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 12:58

Quote:
nick holder
Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

I understand your frustration Nick. It's hard to travel in the knowledge your team is on paper throwing the towel in. How did the Saints fans in January feel before their trip to the Rec in January but look what happened there. If I had tickets I would still go in the hope of a upset, Sale recently a good example. I used to go to all the away games , I don't now due to mobility issues but I do remember that feeling of being short changed with team selections. Hope you change your mind, it's a big if, but if they won you be witnessing some special.

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Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 13:13

Quote:
gaz59
Quote:
nick holder
Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

Yeah, that's what the players and coaches are thinking. No point turning up

It is totally my choice as a "consumer" as to whether to go or not. If I had wanted to watch the Prem Cup side, I would have used my ST at the Rec, rather than travel hours to Northampton

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Posted by: hemington (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 13:17

Quote:
hanuman
Would have liked to see Cameron in the squad but can’t argue with the team. Great to see Ciaran back. Looking forward to the game and some points
As Mojo and Lawrence are both injured at present (hopefully not badly) Cam could be being held back as cover. Don't want him injured if the other two don't make it in time for next week. Hope TDG has had some practice this week at fly half cos it's a big ask to expect Donahue to play 90 mins in his first game back this season.

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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 13:32

A great challenge for the young players and an opportunity to put a marker down. If Sarries can do us a favour and reduce the points Tigers get that would be great.

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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:00

Quote:
Smooothsides
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Is their pack a touch underpowered?
Langdon, Davison, Coles and Pearson are all out injured, it's first choice based on who's fit with the exception of Van Der Mescht not starting.

& Fischetti?

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Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:02

Quote:
nick holder
Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

Do you not recall what their second/third team did to our strong lineup on 28th Dec?

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:03

It’s a weaker team than usual no doubt, but that 9/10 combo is lightning quick. Plus the centres are good solid tacklers and could shift the game if given any ball.

In all, roughly as we all expected.

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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:13

Rugby is a funny game - When Saints came down with a weakened team I am sure some complacency set in amongst the 23 it is just human habit.

Saints will look at that team and feel the same way we did, no matter what the coaches say. There is some real talent in that team of ours - I hope they go out and give it a right good go and I am sure they will.

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Posted by: Smooothsides (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:16

Quote:
Bath Hammer
Quote:
Smooothsides
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Is their pack a touch underpowered?
Langdon, Davison, Coles and Pearson are all out injured, it's first choice based on who's fit with the exception of Van Der Mescht not starting.

& Fischetti?

Iyogun is ahead on merit, he's playing very well at the moment and Fischetti hasn't been great since the 6 nations.

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:26

Love that squad. Actually stronger than I was expecting with the likes of Bayliss, Reid, TDG, Hill, Kepu, Unders, VW involved. Nice bench, which could be interesting if we're in touch in the last quarter. Need the 10-12-13 to be on it defensively, as it'll likely be a high scoring game in the sunshine. Saints more than likely too strong at home but hopefully we can come away with a couple of points at least.

Soooo... unless JvG picks the gun XV every week it's a "total waste of money" and not worth watching? Unsure what else JvG should be doing to a) protect his players from being overplayed and b) give us a chance of winning trophies, which I think makes those fans bothering to watch and support and pay money quite happy.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 14:46

On the one hand I can totally understand the selection by JVG. Hopefully the lads can do themselves proud.

On the other I can totally understand why someone would be a bit disappointed that they have missed out on another 1st team humdinger, have chucked a couple of hundred quid at it and wouldn’t want to spend 6 hours on the motorway to watch it.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 15:10

Quote:
BathMatt53
On the one hand I can totally understand the selection by JVG. Hopefully the lads can do themselves proud.
On the other I can totally understand why someone would be a bit disappointed that they have missed out on another 1st team humdinger, have chucked a couple of hundred quid at it and wouldn’t want to spend 6 hours on the motorway to watch it.

That's a very different attitude to "complete waste of money. Tickets in the bin and won't bother to watch on tv"

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: nick holder (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 16:05

"total waste of money" and not worth watching? those fans bothering to watch and support and pay money quite happy.[/quote]

I have 4 adult tickets which I am happy to pass over as clearly many on here don't think it will be a waste of money, coupled with a 5 hour round trip to watch the Prem Cup team get hosed by Saints. Dr Bath, I have paid my money to watch and support the 1st XV which would have made me happy, this selection does not. Are you going as one of the fans who can be bothered to watch and support and pay money that you refer to in your post?

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Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 16:17

Valid point. I'd be a bit peeved if I'd already paid out for 4 tickets, plus the time/cost of travel, but we have seen time and time again under JvG it's about the squad and the system we play in - we have some very able deputies and a master tactician overseeing them.

As others point out, we thought we'd pump Saints in Dec and look what happened. They are undoubtedly big favourites but I'm not pessimistic about our chances...

...Watch them put 50 on us now.

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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 16:22

I’m afraid that is the thing about going to live sport, you don’t get to control the team selection or result. This was always going to be the selection for this match once we progressed in the Champions Cup, it is certainly an unfortunate twist for those that bought tickets before then hoping for a full on clash between top of the table teams.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 16:33

JvG has always stated he feels we should win our home games so the team at home is pretty much guaranteed to be strong. Away games at this point in the season can be expendable. I still think it will be a decent game though.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 16:44

So, does this selection effectively tell us what JVG’s Cup Final first XV is barring the number 7 jersey?

Beno
Dunn
TDT
Roux
Ewels
Pepper
7?
Barbeary
Spenny
Finn
Henry
Mojo
Ollie
Big Joe
Santi

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Posted by: Lankyman (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 16:56

Lots of discussion about our selection above but surprised that no mention of what our CC semi final opponents are up against on Saturday . UBB are currently sitting in 5th position in the top 14 and tomorrow they play Montpelier who are in 3rd spot .
I would guess that UBB will go into this game fully loaded , French teams don’t like to lose at home . Will this tough match mean they are match hardened or fatigued the following Sunday ?

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 17:01

Quote:
Mini Maximus
So, does this selection effectively tell us what JVG’s Cup Final first XV is barring the number 7 jersey?
Beno
Dunn
TDT
Roux
Ewels
Pepper
7?
Barbeary
Spenny
Finn
Henry
Mojo
Ollie
Big Joe
Santi

Well, that's it pretty much though Billy may start and TDT on bench. Cam may play if Max or Ollie out. Reckon Sam at 7. Bench will be the fittest from tomorrow.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 17:37

No, I'm not going this weekend. Like TDT, I'm being rested ahead of Bordeaux, and hopefully Bilbao! But to answer your undertone, nick, I've done 4 away games this season, and enjoyed every one.

I understand your frustration, but (obviously) JvG is only doing this to make the fans (those who travel to away games and those that don't) ecstatic on finals day. If there was no reason, I'd be annoyed. If Saints won the QF, we'd be sending our full XV. But we won- so we're not- and I love that!

Honestly, would anyone really agree that Beno, TDT, Roux, Pepper, Ben, Finn etc should be playing tomorrow? I know I don't have literal skin in the game (i.e. money spent on tickets) but my emotional investment spent supporting this club for 40 years is very pleased they're not. Given the way the fixtures have fallen, I personally don't see an alternative, even if we do end up getting well beat.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 18:39

It’s no doubt disappointing for the away fans, but it’s also not exactly surprising. JvG always prioritises home games and rotates for away games which is absolutely the right thing to do. As soon as we win the 1/4 final it was clear JvG wasn’t going to risk our first team a week before the semi final.

Really can’t see any issues with the team selection.



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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: PaulHerox (IP Logged)
Date: 24/04/2026 18:42

Quote:
Lankyman
I would guess that UBB will go into this game fully loaded , French teams don’t like to lose at home . Will this tough match mean they are match hardened or fatigued the following Sunday ?

They've got pretty much their full strength 23 but rotated the bench and starters a bit especially in the front row.

It's always an interesting call, rested v game-hardened. Not sure that either approach is definitively right but it feels a lot easier to see it as a mistake if a non knock-out game sees you lose an important player to injury or a ban.

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Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 07:39

Our squad is right at the upper end in terms of strength and risk that I expected to see.

Imagine about 8 will be in the 23 next week.

Fvw
Kepu
Malony or richards
3 of hill/underhill/reid/ bayliss
Bvdl or rcs
1 of hennessey/ butt/ tdg

Shame no redpath, doesn't bode well for mojo ( jvg seemed upbeat about Lawrence's chances of being fit).

Winters clearly highly rated, ahead of emens who played for the uni whilst winters was rested for this.

I defo think it's a squad good enough to get a 4 try BP. If we have a chance at 50-60 mins of a losing BP I imagine the bench will be deployed and there is some serious heft and firepower there.

If we are getting annihilated imagine they may cut there losses and not risk the likes of fvw, kepu, ted and sam for long or at all.

Fascinating, fully expect a heavy defeat but you never know, saints largely second team thrashed our largely firsts at the rec!

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Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 07:42

Bit surprised by no staddon but shows our ludicrous backrow depth that you can rest alfie, pepper and have coetzee injured and staddon still isn't one of the 5 backrowers picked in the 23.

Fascinated to see gyamfi and where he plays. Had 8 on his back recently for the uni but packed down at lock apparently. Exciting prospect I think- 22- 23 stone and now in seriously good shape is a real point of difference

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 07:43

It could be a banana skin, but you get the feeling Saints could really cut loose. That being said we’ve feared for a for games this year with a rotated team and either kept it incredibly close, or won so you never know!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 07:46

Personally really think donoghue should have been in the 23 last week.

I am not sure how fair or sensible it is to throw him in after 8 months out at 10, in a weakened team, away to top of the league.

As has been proved hundreds of times , I am sure jvg knows what he is doing. Just feels a bit unfair on him and we could have won at a canter last week whilst giving him 30 mins at 15.

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Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 07:49

I was gutted like nick about the bris away game last season- understood it though and wasn't upset when we went on to win the league and challenge cup.

23 for that I think is a similar strength to today , I would say today's squad is a bit stronger though.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 07:52

Good points from Charlie as ever, I agree with BathRob a win would be a huge bonus but I think there could easily be 4 tries for Bath in this game something like a 46-32 scoreline. We need these hard games to bring on our marginal players. I think JvG's biggest strength is team selection. Actually looking forward to the game.

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Posted by: Pulteneyfan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 08:03

We got some low priced standing tickets a while back in the expectation it would be a rotated team, so will travel in hope rather than expectation. Got to see this as an opportunity to build for the future

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 09:46

Quote:
Charlieboa1
I was gutted like nick about the bris away game last season- understood it though and wasn't upset when we went on to win the league and challenge cup.
23 for that I think is a similar strength to today , I would say today's squad is a bit stronger though.

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I was disappointed with team selection for the Treviso game last season, although at least we had the consolation that it was a nice place to visit.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 09:53

I'm actually looking forward to watching this game, on tv accepted

I'm fully expecting a comfortable [in the end] Saints win for 5 points but for us I'm hoping for

* try bonus point
* dogged, resolute defence to keep Saints scoring to a minimum
* every player giving it everything right to the end irrespective of the score
* some exhilarating play with invention, strong link up and supporting runners
* evidence of a very exciting half back partnership for the post Finn and Ben era

And probably a score something like 43 - 24 or better

And, just for the record, if that's how it turned out and I had bought tickets then I would becoming away from Franklin a very happy fan

But if not and it turns out a bit of a pasting then I would just congratulate the Saints and shift my focus to the big games ahead

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 10:08

Good summary gaz.

I think we take any positives today, whether that's than a less than 30 point defeat fingers crossed, some good individual performances , plenty of guts against the odds etc

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:12

BvdL off injured sad smiley

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:27

Quote:
hasta
BvdL off injured sad smiley

What happened?

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:30

Not clear, possible leg injury when making a break. Left under his own steam. Fingers crossed.

21-14 after 27.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:34

26-14. Near Bath score, Saints go straight down the other end despite Bayliss' best efforts. Dubious hands in the ruck.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:44

Quote:
hasta
26-14. Near Bath score, Saints go straight down the other end despite Bayliss' best efforts. Dubious hands in the ruck.

? Surely balls popping out of rucks like a jack in the box happen all the time.

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Date: 25/04/2026 17:45

Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
hasta
BvdL off injured sad smiley

What happened?

Beeb commentary saying 'ankle'.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:47

Is AH on drugs? You can’t slap the ball out of another player’s hands to score a try?!

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:47

Quote:
Toast and Marmite
Quote:
hasta
26-14. Near Bath score, Saints go straight down the other end despite Bayliss' best efforts. Dubious hands in the ruck.

? Surely balls popping out of rucks like a jack in the box happen all the time.

Quite. Clearly wasn't picking the ball up, just scoops it back. Bath resist the rest of the half (just about) - 26-14 at HT.

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:50

The 14 point swing is the difference. No way was it a legal turnover.

Pillock play acting when blatantly blocking Muir chasing a kick. Another penalty that Pearce failed to give to Bath.

Young porps have held up really well bar one scrum.

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Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 17:53

Could get interesting if we score first in the second half.

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:02

Which we might just have done

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:03

Cracking pass from Donaghue!!! Great try.

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:08

We should get the try BP at least!

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:09

Poor defending at the line out - Frost has to do better there

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:11

Quote:
A.M 180
We should get the try BP at least!
Got it!

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:11

Job done!

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:12

BONUS POINT! Cracking phases of attack. Already a result.

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Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:12

Quote:
A.M 180
We should get the try BP at least!

Consider it done!

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:12

Quote:
A.M 180
We should get the try BP at least!

A prophet!!

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:12

Hahah the changes are just funny, even if they don't work out

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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:15

The youngsters are not phased at all! Brilliant TB in the bag!

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:18

Just not convinced by Griffin at all…

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:19

Doing well lads. Keep fighting

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Posted by: Bath Blues (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:19

Was never a scrum penalty then.

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:21

Not seen a lot of this game but TCS has been excellent

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Posted by: CoochieCoo (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:24

Quote:
Toast and Marmite
Just not convinced by Griffin at all…

Try time

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:24

Well that’s me told! 😄

Good patient play boys what a great performance even if we don’t win

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:25

31-31 after 60!

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:27

Hennessey has looked excellent to me as well

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:29

We’re making passes we don’t need to but I wonder if we feel Saints are starting to feel gassed

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:31

Guess any Bath fan who went to the game hadn’t wasted their money then..😎

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Posted by: BeatsWorking (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:31

Just turned into second half after a day's cycling in Wales. Fully expected to see a 52-10 scoreline to Saints. Unbelievable effort, Saints look rattled! Whatever happens from here it's been a hell of an effort!

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:32

Quote:
OutsideBath
Guess any Bath fan who went to the game hadn’t wasted their money then..😎

I see what you did there…

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:39

It ain't over

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:40

Absolute joke of a decision from Pearce.

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:40

Pearce just not on it. So favouring Saints - 2 Saints playingthe ball off their feet, fine.
Lots of others decisions their way

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:41

Ciaran is it guys

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Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:43

They think it's all over!

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:43

Get in Kepu!

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:43

This game is insane

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:43

YES! Kepu!!

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:44

38-38!! Cracking game.

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:46

Surely Saints knock on way back in their 22

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:49

Utter joke of a decision



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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:50

Draw stolen by incompetence from Pearce. Great work boys.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:51

Saints get out of jail with a lucky lucky penalty

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:51

Pearce biased every breakdown to Saints.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:52

Bayliss and Reid were monstrous today

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:52

Quote:
nick holder
Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.
I hope you changed you mind and went!

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:53

Utter disgrace.
Officiating gave that to Saints, so many bad decisions in Saints favour, caoped by the joke penalty at the end.
Utter furious with that.

The team were utterly fantastic

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:53

Reid MOTM. 2 points is an absolute result. Great effort.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:53

Annoying part was actually Saints getting away with playing on the deck but hey how incredible did our side play.

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:55

Quote:
hasta
Reid MOTM. 2 points is an absolute result. Great effort.
This should be the takeaway, regardless of the result

We shouldn't fear them either

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Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:55

Massive credit to the 23 there. Superb effort and some real quality at times.

Hennessy, de Glanville, Muir and Reid all outstanding. Reid a warrior. Best game in the shirt from TCS.

Desperately unlucky penalty to lose it but so much to take from that.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:56

Quote:
Dorset Boy
Utter disgrace.
Officiating gave that to Saints, so many bad decisions in Saints favour, caoped by the joke penalty at the end.
Utter furious with that.

The team were utterly fantastic

Meh - we’re in danger of sounding as salty as some of the Saints fans after the European tie…have to take the ref out of the equation and I agree that with the commentators that we have a psychological edge over them

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:58

Hard done by boys 💯 % chest first .

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Posted by: Mike the Taxi (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:59

Listening on Radio Bristol: Both commentators say that Pillock was going down before the tackle had started. Good to hear Mike Tremlett commentating again.

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Posted by: Benisjammin (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 18:59

Absolutely amazing effort! Way more than I expected. Thought Pearce was good most of the game but that last penalty was pure gamesmanship from Saints. Looked like Pollock (or whichever of the lookalikes) grabbed Enoch's shoulder and then headbutted his arm to win a penalty - If this was cricket he would be 'bringing the game in to disrepute'.



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Posted by: Susanne (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:01

Quote:
nick holder
Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

Yep

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Posted by: miller8 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:02

Moral victory to my mind, we just needed a TBP and we got two. Saints will know that a full strength Bath team would have beaten them and that’s what they are likely to face if they make the final! Well played Bath!!!

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Posted by: Trawling (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:02

Shake the referee's hand, walk off, bank the 2 points, be the bigger man!

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Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:02

If it's 38-38 you can't take the ref out of the equation. It's frustrating because it was a hell of an effort and we could have won it or iced the draw but it is what it is.

The last penalty - I know we have to do this thing where we wring our hands whenever there is head contact and, blah blah, he could have tackled lower. But, man, it's Rugby. You tackle somebody and their head goes into your arm... I wouldn't even want it to be a free kick but a penalty?

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:02

Didn’t see the game, but it’s not a good look to blame the ref for losing.

Sounds like a cracking effort from our boys.

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Posted by: dcsh (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:02

Extending the lead over Tigers is a great effort and could be super important in the coming weeks.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:05

Quote:
Trawling
Shake the referee's hand, walk off, bank the 2 points, be the bigger man!

This.

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: @Hydor18 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:06

Forget the last second penalty, it wouldn’t have been a thing if we’d secured our own lineout.

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:08

Quote:
@Hydor18
Forget the last second penalty, it wouldn’t have been a thing if we’d secured our own lineout.

That is certainly true.

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Posted by: Toast and Marmite (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:09

Quote:
@Hydor18
Forget the last second penalty, it wouldn’t have been a thing if we’d secured our own lineout.

Yeah what on earth was all that running around? Go to 2 and even if you lose it is very difficult for Saints to launch from there

’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”

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Posted by: OutsideBath (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:11

Quote:
Toast and Marmite
Quote:
@Hydor18
Forget the last second penalty, it wouldn’t have been a thing if we’d secured our own lineout.

Yeah what on earth was all that running around? Go to 2 and even if you lose it is very difficult for Saints to launch from there

In general was out lineout better today or the usual liability?

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:14

Wow, what a brilliant game. Not to be in the end but hugely proud of the 23, particularly the second half where they largely had the measure of the strong Saints side. Well done lads.

[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]

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Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:18

Quote:
OutsideBath
Quote:
Toast and Marmite
Quote:
@Hydor18
Forget the last second penalty, it wouldn’t have been a thing if we’d secured our own lineout.

Yeah what on earth was all that running around? Go to 2 and even if you lose it is very difficult for Saints to launch from there

In general was out lineout better today or the usual liability?

In general much better. Just the last one bah.

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Posted by: Dorset Boy (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:20

Think we only lose 2, and stole a couple too.
It was a far too complicated call for the last lineout, but pretty sure Saints 9 knocked on way back in their 22

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Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:32

Wow quite the game - makes me wish I’d travelled!

If we’re being honest though guys, that’s a penalty at the end. It just is. I seem to remember we lost in the last second last year as well to a penalty!

Just a fantastic game, after all the hand wringing about games being runaways and not competitiveness, this was Prem rugby at its absolute best.

Hope we meet them in the final because my goodness it’s a good game when we play!

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Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:38

Incredible performance from the boys today – really proud of that side and so many positives:

* TCS best game in a Bath shirt and we needed it with BVDL off early
* Ciaran back and terrifying defences!
* Miles in full-on beast mode from minute one
* Scrum looking solid
* Never say die spirit
* Two bonus points

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Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 19:47

Saints losing another tighthead and van der Mescht might turn out to be the most significant thing from that game come end of the season. Neither looked like minor issues when they went off

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Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:17

TDG was also imperious I thought – clearly making a point!

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Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:36

You know what I keep coming back to? I don’t mind losing games when they’re as good as that one.

I thought the same when we lost at the Gardens last year, and the same when we lost the final.

Does anyone else feel like that? Just a case of “man that was so good to watch, the final score is almost irrelevant”.

Or have I had one too many beers?

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:37

That was a huge performance- gutted to lose but delighted with two points, and the psychological shot across the bows it send to Saints, and others. Tigers losing and 2 pts for us… I’ll take it.

Still, gutted with the last few minutes. We were attacking in their 22! And we ended up letting them kick a winning pen! And of course it was Pollock!!Aaaach. Goodness they’re good ball in hand but they seem to struggle with our power. Such a great rivalry- despite them getting 3 more points than us this evening, I’d rather be us tonight!

Muir and Hennessy immense. Donoghue, just wow, so assured and the half breaks will become line breaks with sharpness. Presume that was Spencer in a TCS mask- what a game! And every forward was so on it, led by Reid. And the bench, especially Kepu, almost swung it. I’d say Muir and Reid (maaaybe) deserve to start next week after that.

Just love this rugby club. Can only imagine what a huge boost that performance gives the 1st XV as we go into UBB week. Allez Bath!

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Posted by: boozeboozebooze (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:42

Quote:
theredseat
Saints losing another tighthead and van der Mescht might turn out to be the most significant thing from that game come end of the season. Neither looked like minor issues when they went off

Yeah totally agree, I've actually been pretty impressed with Kundiona in the past few weeks, for a player I knew nothing about he held his own in the scrum when up against Beno and co. With Davison also out for the season Saints could be down to just Green and Millar-Mills for the remaining fixtures, still a decent enough tighthead duo, but fatigue may start to be a factor come the play offs if they can't rest/rotate. I guess they've also got Sonny Tongaʻuiha in the academy, but he didn't exactly pull up trees for the u20s.

From a Bath perspective, I'm praying that BVDL hasn't suffered anything too serious, could really do with his impact off the bench as we head into the business end of the season.

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Posted by: Pulteneyfan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:47

Travelling back now - so massively proud of that performance

Fabulous performance. Special mention to Donoghue, Muir, Bayliss and DeGlanville but the forwards turned up as well. It was superb to be in amongst the Saints supporters as we went to work.

They knew we had them and they were getting quite stroppy about it. Cracking day out. All thats good about rugby.

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Posted by: A.M 180 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:48

Quote:
BathRob
You know what I keep coming back to? I don’t mind losing games when they’re as good as that one.
I thought the same when we lost at the Gardens last year, and the same when we lost the final.

Does anyone else feel like that? Just a case of “man that was so good to watch, the final score is almost irrelevant”.

Or have I had one too many beers?
I'm with you Rob

So much potential on show. Donohue had no right to play as well as he did after his lay-off, but a suggestion of genuine class we thought we might have glimpsed last year. Hennessey superb, genuinely versatile.

Then just players to be proud of - often starters like Reid, Muir, TdG who just led by example

That as Mr Mourinho would say, is 'eritage'

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Posted by: Pulteneyfan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 20:49

Highlight of the day…Bayliss showing Sleighthome the outside then shutting the door… pure gold

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Posted by: Big Chief Little Chief (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:09

Lads this is clearly not on? How can your second team be better than everyone else's first team!!
Seriously you must be so proud. Your team never gave up, despite some early setbacks.

Some take aways for me.

Bayliss is such an athlete he'd walk in to pretty much every other side, his work rate catching a winger was amazing and the sort of action that lifts a whole team.

Frost showed the sort of form we saw at chiefs at times I thought he was great today

The young half back pairing played with real maturity they both have a very promising future.

Hennessy was outstanding.

Lastly from a player point of view. I've watched over the years how miles reid has gone from someone who I never thought would really make it, to a truly exceptional player, he was everywhere today.

I could watch Bath v Saints games every day. What a great match full of quality. I love watching Saints because as good as they can be, they have real wobbles in games which means you never think the game is over. Despite losing the game I'm sure it's done more for your confidence than it's done for Saints'. I'm pretty sure you'll be doing it again at Twickenham in a few weeks. I just wonder if your greater squad depth and Saints injuries might work in your favour.

These two teams are setting the standards the rest of us have to aim for. Watching this game compared to the earlier game or Fridays game is like watching a different sport! Hopefully if we make the semis we can at least give on of you a game.



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Posted by: Shadders (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:30

Fantastic match, think nearly every player emerged with a lot of credit there - ( a bit harsh to say, but both centres were a little quiet). Has the competition from BVDL brought out the best in TCS?? Us now having some strength in depth in the half backs is a big plus.

The main loser is the poor sod who has to do our salary negotiations.



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Posted by: jayeatman (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:35

Been looking forward to seeing this game for as long as it's been obvious JvG would be putting out a B Team. Sadly couldn't go in person. Despite the narrow loss, I really enjoyed the fixture last year at FG.
So many great performances. It's difficult to pick anyone who had an off day.
BvdL was great for 10mins, I really hope it's nothing serious, but TCS was great.
Hennessy, TdG, Muir, Donoghue, Reid, Bayliss all saying 'how can you leave me out of the 23 next week?'

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:42

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Bayliss is such an athlete he'd walk in to pretty much every other side, his work rate catching a winger was amazing and the sort of action that lifts a whole team.

Arguably Ted Hill is faster.

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The young half back pairing played with real maturity they both have a very promising future.

Yes, TCS was showing real leadership today and Donoghue is a bit of an ice man in attack.

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Hennessy was outstanding.

A centre on the wing who just loves running around. Hennessy is the reason we can afford toilet Butt go to yourselves. Thing is that many on here're expecting a bit of a schooling from Saints but everyone stepped up.
Thanks for the comments, it's nice to get appreciation of the rugby rather than the usual partisan rhetoric.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:45

Commiserations on the loss guys- great game as we seem to be making a habit of. As many have said above that’s a bit psychological gain for you guys, as we benefited from at the Rec in Dec.

I thought TDG, Reid, Horse, Donoghue and TCS were all very very good. Shows your squad depth very well and I think you’ll struggle to balance the books for the next couple seasons (unless Bruce Craig knows the Sarries accountant) so I wish you all the best capitalising on this season and hope you do UBB- you’ve got it in you.

P.S sorry to end on a sour note but that tackle on Pollock at the end was a stonewall pen. I’m sure you’ll have gripes with the ref as we did today but can’t argue that whatsoever

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Pulteneyfan (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:46

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The Bear
If it's 38-38 you can't take the ref out of the equation. It's frustrating because it was a hell of an effort and we could have won it or iced the draw but it is what it is.
The last penalty - I know we have to do this thing where we wring our hands whenever there is head contact and, blah blah, he could have tackled lower. But, man, it's Rugby. You tackle somebody and their head goes into your arm... I wouldn't even want it to be a free kick but a penalty?


Dont go there - we had chances to win it and fluffed it ealrier in the game. Recognose it for what it is - if you leave it that late, fate will intervene.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Saint Maul (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:51

Well played and good luck against Bordeaux.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Held up (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 21:56

We can blame the ref, the high tackle, the lost lineout, the missed kicks etc or we can be proud at how our team devoid of the majority of 1st choices, stood toe to toe with one of the best teams in the league and came away with 2 points. Let’s celebrate what a great game that was (as was the last one) and hope we get to do it all again soon. Well done 💙🖤🤍

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: hanuman (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 22:19

Fantastic performance from the whole team. Dawson really unhappy during interview at the end said it all. Saints thought it would be a complete walkover. Play of the match has to be Josh overhauling Sleighthome and scragging him

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 23:16

That was clearly a better showing than any of us expected – I'd actually go as far as to say that was our best performance in the Prem this season.

It's a shame it didn't end 38-38, but if either side deserved to edge it, it was Saints. They just look so dangerous every time they have the ball.

You could argue that Saints had a much stronger side out, but let's also not forget that they had a fair few players missing and that wasn't their ideal cup final 23.

If we meet Saints in the play-offs/at HQ we HAVE to stop them getting off to a flier again.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Big Chief Little Chief (IP Logged)
Date: 25/04/2026 23:33

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Mini Maximus
If we meet Saints in the play-offs/at HQ we HAVE to stop them getting off to a flier again.

That's easier said than done!! Although, we managed it last week, so Saints decided to finish the game strongly instead!!

The joy of watching Saints is you know they'll have some unplayable moments, but also spells where they can drift out of the game. The key is, as you've shown, is to stay in the fight and you'll get your chances. To be honest I'm looking forward to you playing them again!!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 00:01

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Not going to bother travelling to watching this now, the tickets I bought earlier in the season are now in the Bin. Total waste of money, wont even watch on TV.

Yep

Genuinely hilarious this. I actually assumed when I read it that he hadn’t actually got tickets, and was just being all melodramatic.Now I’m really hoping he did chuck them in the bin. In JVG we trust. I honestly don’t think today could have gone any better.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 00:11

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Pulteneyfan
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If it's 38-38 you can't take the ref out of the equation. It's frustrating because it was a hell of an effort and we could have won it or iced the draw but it is what it is.
The last penalty - I know we have to do this thing where we wring our hands whenever there is head contact and, blah blah, he could have tackled lower. But, man, it's Rugby. You tackle somebody and their head goes into your arm... I wouldn't even want it to be a free kick but a penalty?


Dont go there - we had chances to win it and fluffed it ealrier in the game. Recognose it for what it is - if you leave it that late, fate will intervene.

I think a few have misunderstood - It is the rule and I don't blame the TMO for highlighting it and the ref for making the decision. The ref did not rob us. Besides, the moment we lost the lineout the likelihood of defeat increased and yet there was still moments across 79 other minutes where we could have made the margin bigger.

I just think, minute 1 or minute 80, that a penalty for that kind of collision is absurd. Nobody 15 years ago would have ever considered a penalty for something like that. The game's changed but if you give a disproportionate sanction for incidental collisions then there will be times they will be seen to decide games.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: hasta (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 00:15

Set a rule for high tackles and enforce it, that's fine. I'm not bothered about what was done 15 years ago. My irritation is I bet there were 20 other hits (from both teams) that were that marginally high all game and none of them had the TMO come in on it. There was no TMO on the blatant hands in the ruck turnover in the first half. The use of it is so inconsistent.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 02:42

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hasta
Set a rule for high tackles and enforce it, that's fine. I'm not bothered about what was done 15 years ago. My irritation is I bet there were 20 other hits (from both teams) that were that marginally high all game and none of them had the TMO come in on it. There was no TMO on the blatant hands in the ruck turnover in the first half. The use of it is so inconsistent.

It is so irritating that some of us are analysing one incident in just the same way Saints fans went on about the Pollock yellow card last time. Rules are rules & we have to play to them. Just because they are not always enforced is neither here nor there.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 03:11

Just watched the game. And another absolute cracker it was too. Our second team (if such they are) did us proud. Really, really happy with that performance against a fully loaded Saints side. I thought Ciaran showed glimpses of his best, TCS had his best game in a Bath shirt by a country mile and Kepu looked brilliant when he came on. Shame the match ended on what was a pretty marginal penalty but now we know that, if we play well, we can beat this Saints side and that is gold dust going into the last few weeks of the season. As an aside, I'd pay quite a lot of folding money to see today's Bath side play our "Firsts". Farley must be fun for the coaches smiling smiley

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 06:44

I had the same thought Joe, a Bath ‘Blues’ vs ‘Whites’ game would be fascinating to watch. I would guess the front rows would be the main difference (TDT vs Kirk / FVW).

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 06:58

My word Donoghue is going to be some player isn’t he? Took it to the line multiple times and his range of passing was impressive.

In a few years it’s going to flash down the line from Donoghue to Mojo to Hennessy to Offiah to Arundell who’s come in to the line from FB. And it’ll happen so quickly we will just see a blur 😂

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: theredseat (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 08:59

I’m doing my best not to get carried away with Hennessey at the moment. We’ve got some top centres but he could be the best of the lot sooner rather than later.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 09:05

I thought the neutralising of Pollock by Reid was interesting. JvG is excellent at analysing games and making changes at half time. He clearly briefed our pack on how to diminish the influence of their back row. I recognise Pollock is a talented player but the continual playing to the referee, even in live play, football style is very bad for the game.
I wonder if this led to the Luke Pearce awarding the final penalty.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 09:13

He did get warned twice by the ref to stop appealing to be fair - that being said I don’t think he really made much of the final tackle did he?

Also credit to whoever shot out of the line and chased down Smith on the drop goal attempt, it was a fantastic effort at the end of a game that must have been absolutely lung burstingly difficult

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Francis Allen (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 10:08

I am so proud of the players, they were tasked with a difficult job away from home and wow, did the step up and give it their best. I hope they are not too downhearted by the loss in the final play. Some of them will be expected to do the same next weekend, if that degree of determination can pass onto the others involved out in Bordeaux they have a great chance of victory.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 10:33

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I’m doing my best not to get carried away with Hennessey at the moment. We’ve got some top centres but he could be the best of the lot sooner rather than later.

In a similar way i try to not get carried away about donoghue as 10 is such a hard position and he has played there v little, and generally on the front foot.

To come back after 8 months out at 10 in a weakened team and look the part is hugely impressive.

Having him and santi really is a luxurious place to be.

Get excited about hennessey TRS , really think he is the real deal and have done for a while. Lots of players are big and quick but he has a great natural feel for the game as well, with lovely running lines and soft hands.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: @Hydor18 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 10:36

With a fit Donoghue back in the frame, I wonder if Santi will see out his contract or go early? Fine player, but I’ve always kind of thought he looks like the Bruce Craig signings of the past rather than a calculated one we’ve seen more recently.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: bathwickboy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 10:48

A few posters on here blaming the ref and that's a great pity because we are better than that! Luke Pearce is a recognised top referee and I am usually very happy to see him officiating. Of course that final penalty took the icing off the cake but what went before it was just brilliant. What a great game of rugby to watch from beginning to end. Every Bath player gave everything and Northampton were also excellent. When our team was announced I thought that we would probably get a good first half and then be dominated by Saints but I am pleased to say that I was totally wrong. What a great headache for JVG to select the side for next week, on form it is hard to see him leave out the likes of Reid, Muir and tDG but equally those not playing yesterday have been playing really well.
I think the Prem really needed yesterday's game because there have been some awfully dull one sided matches recently, it even forced Austin Healey to say a few positive things about us and that is rare indeed!



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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Treble (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 11:12

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These player ratings seem harsh given the outcome of the match. Didn't see the game, got snatches on BBC Bristol here in Prague and rated it a 9/10 team performance 💙🖤🤍

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 11:16

Yes a few harsh ones when compared with some of the saints scores. For example I’m not normally a Frost fan but thought he had a decent game yesterday. But it’s only rugbypass so I wouldn’t worry too much.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Benisjammin (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 11:24

I don't think anyone could blame the referee. He was actually really good at allowing the game to flow fairly - contrast with the horrible stop start second half at the StoneX. The penalty happened because we messed up the last lineout. A try a piece was questionable but they cancel out and the entertainment was enhanced. The referee influences the style of game a little but rarely the actual outcome.

I do think Pollock pushed his head into Gyamfi's arm and not the other way round and it shouldn't have been a penalty but with the current laws and the way they are interpreted by all officials it was a penalty.

I do think we've managed to rattle Pollock in the last two matches which is important - If we can repeat in the playoffs then he could be a walking yellow card.

2 points is a brilliant return as it means we only need 15 points to guarantee a home semi (actually less if any of those are gained at Leicester's expense). Leicester can't drop a point now. It's worse for Exeter (14 points required) and Bristol (10 points required).

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 12:22

Can you reinterpret your last paragraph please Bennisjammin as I don’t follow what you are saying

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 12:35

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Benisjammin
I don't think anyone could blame the referee. He was actually really good at allowing the game to flow fairly - contrast with the horrible stop start second half at the StoneX. The penalty happened because we messed up the last lineout. A try a piece was questionable but they cancel out and the entertainment was enhanced. The referee influences the style of game a little but rarely the actual outcome.
I do think Pollock pushed his head into Gyamfi's arm and not the other way round and it shouldn't have been a penalty but with the current laws and the way they are interpreted by all officials it was a penalty.

I do think we've managed to rattle Pollock in the last two matches which is important - If we can repeat in the playoffs then he could be a walking yellow card.


2 points is a brilliant return as it means we only need 15 points to guarantee a home semi (actually less if any of those are gained at Leicester's expense). Leicester can't drop a point now. It's worse for Exeter (14 points required) and Bristol (10 points required).

That is quite unbelievable hahaha. Pollock pushed his head into Gyamfi’s arm!! I’ll remember that one for the next TMO dissection of a high shot.

Don’t ruin your team’s great performance and credibility by moaning about as stonewall a penalty as you’ll see.

Also as to rattling Pollock….across both games he has beaten your guys across the floor a number of times, made significant line breaks and a couple try assists. I don’t see any sign of him being ‘rattled’ unless you’re referring to Horse ploughing through him from behind without the ball?…

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 12:52

It’s a pity when sensible discussion turns into arguments about refereeing decisions & the merits or not of certain players. I find all that so boring from whichever side it comes & I can’t be alone.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Mini Maximus (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:00

We did not lose that game because of the last minute penalty or the dodgy lineout leading up to it – we lost it because we simply didn't play well enough in the opening 20 minutes.

Equally, Saints did not lose the quarter final because of the questionable decision against Pollock – they lost it because they only scored six points in the second half.

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Posted by: WasBBWBaaBaa (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:01

It’s a pity when sensible discussion turns into arguments about refereeing decisions & the merits or not of certain players. I find all that so boring from whichever side it comes & I can’t be alone.


Agree - it was close, but a fair decision! Swap the shirts and we would have been very much agreeing with the penalty.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:02

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It’s a pity when sensible discussion turns into arguments about refereeing decisions & the merits or not of certain players. I find all that so boring from whichever side it comes & I can’t be alone.

You aren't alone bath Hammer.

I really enjoy some input from opponents and neutrals but does often descend into nonsense from all angles.

I do feel that it's maybe sensible to expect some level of partisan , one eyed observations on fans forums and take it in stride. If you want a henry pollock fan club for example it's probably the wrong place to look. As I have said before he isn't my cup of tea at all but he is v v good and drives much needed interest in the game.

I had a seriously classy couple of DM's from saints fans after the euro quarter which restored some of my faith in rugby fans!

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:04

Agree BH, it detracts from knowledgeable posts from other Saints fans who contribute to this board. Say what you want in your own back garden but it doesn't hurt to show a bit of respect when visiting. Most rugby fans know better.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:09

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shipwrecked
Agree BH, it detracts from knowledgeable posts from other Saints fans who contribute to this board. Say what you want in your own back garden but it doesn't hurt to show a bit of respect when visiting. Most rugby fans know better.

If you’re referring to me then please tell me which part of my post was disrespectful? A response to someone saying Pollock threw his head into your players arm to gain a penalty? Or a response to a flippant comment that you ‘rattled Pollock’ across two games in the face of some quite impressive stats from the player?

As mentioned across a couple of posts I don’t come to anyone else board to disrespect them- often to acknowledge good performances. However clearly I am going to call out what I believe to be unfounded or inaccurate takes on my team when discussing on the match thread.

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Posted by: Danchinho (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:13

Thought Saints were incredible at times. The way we came back into it and some of our play was nearly as good.
Fwiw, I didn’t think it was a pen on Pollock. Pollock dipped his head into the arm imo, not intentionally - it was part of his movement to gain momentum. Still, great game.
Both teams came away with plenty of merit.

Was wonderful to see 2 English teams playing that way.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:15

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Danchinho
Thought Saints were incredible at times. The way we came back into it and some of our play was nearly as good.
Fwiw, I didn’t think it was a pen on Pollock. Pollock dipped his head into the arm imo, not intentionally - it was part of his movement to gain momentum. Still, great game.
Both teams came away with plenty of merit.

Was wonderful to see 2 English teams playing that way.

Danchincho- I thought it was an excellent game and can’t necessarily say Saints deserved the win but didn’t feel like we deserved a loss either.

On the penalty incident, what do you think of this counter take ‘tackler makes no, or limited attempted to dip, and makes contact directly with the head’ ?

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:16

Alternatively you could laugh it off saintsfella and just enjoy the win. If you are on a mission to correct one eyed views from rugby fans on other clubs forums I fear you are taking on a never ending task....

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Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:22

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Charlieboa1
Alternatively you could laugh it off saintsfella and just enjoy the win. If you are on a mission to correct one eyed views from rugby fans on other clubs forums I fear you are taking on a never ending task....

I sort of see your point but then similarly that surely devalues the role of supporters forums and match threads?

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Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:33

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Alternatively you could laugh it off saintsfella and just enjoy the win. If you are on a mission to correct one eyed views from rugby fans on other clubs forums I fear you are taking on a never ending task....

I sort of see your point but then similarly that surely devalues the role of supporters forums and match threads?

Fair play, as I say I really get a lot from opponents and neutral views on here, interesting to hear the opinions of others..... just don't get rattled by it (joke).

Good luck for the rest of the season- as soon as we scraped through the quarters and installed you as firm favourites for the prem and haven't changed my mind. I have a bit of a soft spot after how classy Dowson was in a defeat- possibly out jvg'd jvg!

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:37

Can we - Bath fans - take a(nother) minute to consider what an incredible ‘result’ that was yesterday. We took a second team, away, to the equal best team in the league, and went toe to toe - in boxing terms a draw all day long. But more importantly, for the rest of this season, and into the future now, we have getting on for 40 proven Premiership players. And not just fringe players who can mould into the strength of a first-choice team, but are all good enough to create a B team that is actually stronger than the sum of its parts. We were probably all of a mind that their brief was to make sure we came away with a point if possible, and yet JVG motivated them a/ to get over any disappointment at possibly/probably not being involved next week, but b/ to play as if they were all first choice. It’s a really astonishing coaching achievement. I’ve often been a believer in the saying that ‘team spirit is an illusion perceived in the aftermath of success’, but if anyone in that squad says how happy they are to be part of the whole club, I wouldn’t doubt them for a second.

I also feel entirely reassured that we have the resources to get a home semi and reach the Prem Cup final. Against UBB que sera sera, but winning next week would, in many ways, be less surprising than putting 40 points on Saints yesterday.

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Posted by: Barfboy (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:51

We had a few (not all) Saints fans on here after their last minute loss a few weeks back not exactly covering themselves in glory. Fast forward this time to a last minute win and some of them are still at it.

Are other fan forums filled with Bath fans post game goading the opposition? I don't get it.

Anyway, what a game. Just incredible to think where we are as a club. So very nearly got a statement with some hugely exciting young guns running the show. Saints (rightly so) get credit for their academy set up but some of the 'old' guard in Reid, Bayliss, TdG and Richards really demonstrating how ours has become the cornerstone of our club.

Won't comment on the penalty but Pollock as a whole needs to reel it in a bit. Will probably come with age but he's in danger of getting a reputation for himself with histrionics again yesterday. Fab player but lacking in grace. Perhaps it's all part of a his new agent's strategy.

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Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:53

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Charlieboa1
Quote:
saintsfella
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Charlieboa1
Alternatively you could laugh it off saintsfella and just enjoy the win. If you are on a mission to correct one eyed views from rugby fans on other clubs forums I fear you are taking on a never ending task....

I sort of see your point but then similarly that surely devalues the role of supporters forums and match threads?

Fair play, as I say I really get a lot from opponents and neutral views on here, interesting to hear the opinions of others..... just don't get rattled by it (joke).

Good luck for the rest of the season- as soon as we scraped through the quarters and installed you as firm favourites for the prem and haven't changed my mind. I have a bit of a soft spot
after how classy Dowson was in a defeat- possibly out jvg'd jvg!

Hah yes I’ll take that Charlie - good luck to you guys

And re Dows I am the same with JvG. You could perhaps say they are both a bit too polished / humble / boring in interviews but they are very good guys.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Bath Hammer (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 13:53

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saintsfella
If you’re referring to me then please tell me which part of my post was disrespectful? A response to someone saying Pollock threw his head into your players arm to gain a penalty? Or a response to a flippant comment that you ‘rattled Pollock’ across two games in the face of some quite impressive stats from the player?
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My comment was addressed equally at the post to which you responded & your response. Carrying on all this is totally vacuous.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 14:01

Agree Opti thats my feeling, it's a huge coaching success.

JvG has got everyone at Bath in each of their specific positions almost interchangeable. I know I go on about the University rugby but it applies even down to that level as well.
The fact that JvG attended the University Final at Rodney Parade on Wednesday recognises that he recognises the culture covers senior players, squad members, academy and senior academy scholars.

It's the holistic culture he has instilled across the club that has crystallised a vague 'Bath philosophy' into a long needed identity.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 14:29

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Alternatively you could laugh it off saintsfella and just enjoy the win. If you are on a mission to correct one eyed views from rugby fans on other clubs forums I fear you are taking on a never ending task....

I sort of see your point but then similarly that surely devalues the role of supporters forums and match threads?

Fair play, as I say I really get a lot from opponents and neutral views on here, interesting to hear the opinions of others..... just don't get rattled by it (joke).

Good luck for the rest of the season- as soon as we scraped through the quarters and installed you as firm favourites for the prem and haven't changed my mind. I have a bit of a soft spot
after how classy Dowson was in a defeat- possibly out jvg'd jvg!

Hah yes I’ll take that Charlie - good luck to you guys

And re Dows I am the same with JvG. You could perhaps say they are both a bit too polished / humble / boring in interviews but they are very good guys.

Agree but jeeze I would take it every time over someone like Brendan venter....

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Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 14:33

Agree opti / sw.

The thing I love is it's all by design.

We have repeatedly trusted the squad in a way others haven't and we are reaping the benefits.

If you play all your frontline guys in the prem Cup for example it's hard to sympathise when players aren't ready to step up in the event of injury etc.

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 14:38

I don’t even think that there would be a debate about that pen if it was earlier in the game or in a different position on the pitch. Unfortunate circumstances but a pen it definitely was according to the head injury protocols (but no more).

Interesting how JVG sounds a bit miffed that people are referring to a Bath ‘second team’ - he prefers to just refer to the squad as a whole (and I can understand that, particularly in relation to the likes of Bayliss, Reid and TDG).

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Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 14:50

I agree matt, jvg is probably right as is possibly a bit disrespectful.

You could drop most of those guys from yest into a clutch game and the drop off would be minimal / non existent .

Obviously you would always miss a tdt or finn/spencer.
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Staddon is class and couldn't even make the 23.

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Posted by: Benisjammin (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 14:55

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Can you reinterpret your last paragraph please Bennisjammin as I don’t follow what you are saying

Yes, of course. Simply the 6 point gap we have over Leicester now rather than the 5 points we had before, or maybe expected to have, is significant. It means we can lose a game and still be a point ahead even if Leicester win all their remaining fixtures.

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 15:55

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Can you reinterpret your last paragraph please Bennisjammin as I don’t follow what you are saying

Yes, of course. Simply the 6 point gap we have over Leicester now rather than the 5 points we had before, or maybe expected to have, is significant. It means we can lose a game and still be a point ahead even if Leicester win all their remaining fixtures.

Yeah but don't forget that one win gap could well be the Leicester game so we may need to win all the others unless saints do us a favour

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Posted by: Benisjammin (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 16:29

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That is quite unbelievable hahaha. Pollock pushed his head into Gyamfi’s arm!! I’ll remember that one for the next TMO dissection of a high shot.

Don’t ruin your team’s great performance and credibility by moaning about as stonewall a penalty as you’ll see.

Also as to rattling Pollock….across both games he has beaten your guys across the floor a number of times, made significant line breaks and a couple try assists. I don’t see any sign of him being ‘rattled’ unless you’re referring to Horse ploughing through him from behind without the ball?…

If you read my whole post you would see that I didn't disagree that it was a penalty under the current rules and also that I thought the referee was good and fair all game.

In my opinion (and it is only my opinion and nothing more) I thought Pollock intelligently used his head to win a penalty. My observation on him being a bit rattled is based on the way he seemed to be very performative in his work around the ruck whilst not listening to the referee as often as he normally would in both matches against us. It is usually Pollock's opposition that get wound up (see UBB last year for example) but yesterday he seemed a bit on edge (again my opinion only). Maybe Reid's marking was making him feel a bit claustrophobic - in which case it was great work from Reid and a good tactic from the team as a whole.

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Posted by: Susanne (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 17:06

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Can we - Bath fans - take a(nother) minute to consider what an incredible ‘result’ that was yesterday. We took a second team, away, to the equal best team in the league, and went toe to toe - in boxing terms a draw all day long. But more importantly, for the rest of this season, and into the future now, we have getting on for 40 proven Premiership players. And not just fringe players who can mould into the strength of a first-choice team, but are all good enough to create a B team that is actually stronger than the sum of its parts. We were probably all of a mind that their brief was to make sure we came away with a point if possible, and yet JVG motivated them a/ to get over any disappointment at possibly/probably not being involved next week, but b/ to play as if they were all first choice. It’s a really astonishing coaching achievement. I’ve often been a believer in the saying that ‘team spirit is an illusion perceived in the aftermath of success’, but if anyone in that squad says how happy they are to be part of the whole club, I wouldn’t doubt them for a second.
I also feel entirely reassured that we have the resources to get a home semi and reach the Prem Cup final. Against UBB que sera sera, but winning next week would, in many ways, be less surprising than putting 40 points on Saints yesterday.

This. We seem to be forgetting what it was like pre JvG.

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 17:20

I thought that was very clever (and legal) play from Pollock to aim for the tallest defender and dip into the tackle - very likely to get the pen. No complaints

But Saints may have scored a few more points than us but they didn't beat us. And the psychological boost that can give us with knowledge that add in the likes of TdT, Ben and Finn etc and our game goes up a serious level

And like Opti, I was reflecting on just how amazing the coaching and off field set up has become that we can field the 23 we did and come so close to an extraordinary win. Kepu holds that offload from Muir at the end well, we are in dreamland

The dark days of Hoopertime just seems like a long ago nightmare

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 17:36

Agree that psychologically it is a big boost for us.

I think that kind of squad could get results against exeter and / or Newcastle if needed.

Arguably 15 players rested that would be in our 'strongest 23

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Danchinho (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 18:09

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Thought Saints were incredible at times. The way we came back into it and some of our play was nearly as good.
Fwiw, I didn’t think it was a pen on Pollock. Pollock dipped his head into the arm imo, not intentionally - it was part of his movement to gain momentum. Still, great game.
Both teams came away with plenty of merit.

Was wonderful to see 2 English teams playing that way.

Danchincho- I thought it was an excellent game and can’t necessarily say Saints deserved the win but didn’t feel like we deserved a loss either.

On the penalty incident, what do you think of this counter take ‘tackler makes no, or limited attempted to dip, and makes contact directly with the head’ ?

There’s isn’t much of a dip tbf. I think his arm is chest or shoulder level but as Pollock leans in there is head contact.
I in no way think pollock did anything intentional other than trying to lever his opponent out of the way, as you’d expect.


Didn’t think it was a pen but tbh, there’s quite a few contacts these days that I think are unfairly given as pens or are even carded.


It didn’t ‘decide’ the game any more or less than every other moment in a thrilling game of rugby.


Saints got the W and good for them (you). Cracking team. If only England played like that….

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Posted by: dr.bath1865 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 19:13

Still loving reading and dissecting yesterday’s game. So much fun.

But anyone else odd like me and, despite having a free evening this evening, no going to re watch? If we drew or won, I’d be settling in to enjoy every good bit, every good bit by Saints, every 50/50 decision, every bit of commentary, every single nuance. But cos the scoreboard shows we lost, I’ll probably never watch that game again. Odd, given how good the performance was, but think it just shows that, to my weird BB&W rugby brain, winning really continues to be everything!

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Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 20:48

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Thought Saints were incredible at times. The way we came back into it and some of our play was nearly as good.
Fwiw, I didn’t think it was a pen on Pollock. Pollock dipped his head into the arm imo, not intentionally - it was part of his movement to gain momentum. Still, great game.
Both teams came away with plenty of merit.

Was wonderful to see 2 English teams playing that way.

Danchincho- I thought it was an excellent game and can’t necessarily say Saints deserved the win but didn’t feel like we deserved a loss either.

On the penalty incident, what do you think of this counter take
‘tackler makes no, or limited attempted to dip, and makes contact directly with the head’ ?

There’s isn’t much of a dip tbf. I think his arm is chest or shoulder level but as Pollock leans in there is head contact.
I in no way think pollock did anything intentional other than trying to lever his opponent out of the way, as you’d expect.


Didn’t think it was a pen but tbh, there’s quite a few contacts these days that I think are unfairly given as pens or are even carded.


It didn’t ‘decide’ the game any more or less than every other moment in a thrilling game of rugby.


Saints got the W and good for them (you). Cracking team. If only England played like that….

Yep fair enough I often find myself explaining to football mates or casual watchers that something will be a red / yellow and they’re in disbelief. I.e accidental or careless contact with head can be penalised etc without it necessarily feeling right in a contact sport etc. Don’t think Enoch did anything intentionally but for me it is a clear pen by the letter of the law. Anyway, enough said in that matter

Despite Dows playing it down we are really developing a proper playing rivalry and some epic games. Long may it continue, I say. Would be good to build a bit of a dynasty of competition without those pesky North Londoners or Leicestershirians involved!

And Dr Bath, I am 100% like that. My wife cannot believe I watch games back having attended them but knows I generally don’t when we lose- I suspect she secretly hopes we lose for that reason despite how it negatively affects my mood 😂



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Posted by: Treble (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 21:13

I'm happy with the result as long as Saints play Tigers and we play Chiefs in the playoffs 😄. Then it's another match between our two great clubs at HQ....

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/04/2026 21:51

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I'm happy with the result as long as Saints play Tigers and we play Chiefs in the playoffs 😄. Then it's another match between our two great clubs at HQ....

More likely we get Tigers but don't write off Briz. They're definitely in the mix for a play off place

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Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 08:35

One part I found disappointing on Saturday given it was a great advert for the game with 2 sides properly going at it, was the behaviour of Pollock at times.

I have defended him before for his youthful brashness and behaviour but on Saturday for a lad who clearly has a huge ceiling and can take punishment it felt at times he would have been more at home on football pitch. Certainly Will Muir felt the same way!

I do hope that this is not the sign of things to come as the feverish media coverage and his new promoter take hold, he reminded me of certain French players taking dives and play acting. I just hate seeing it - that also went for Ollie Lawrence when we played last time. There is no place IMHO for play actors on a pitch - it is disingenuous to the many players who give everything and suffer many serious injuries. Rant over.

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 09:17

Pollock is consistently excused for being a 'character' (aka a complete k*&b) by pundits, supporters et al because 'he delivers on the pitch' (which he clearly does).

The extrapolation of that is that, were he a journeyman player, he would simply be described as a complete k&*b.

I remain fairly convinced that, just like Borthwick is routinely described as 'the best coach i've ever worked with' by any England-adjacent player rolled out for media duties, many rugby players' private thoughts about him would be less complimentary.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 09:28

Pollock is a good flanker but it should be noted, (pointed out by Austin Healy in commentary) that he was marked out of the game by Miles Reid. It was only when Reid was subbed that Pollock and Saints started to win the breakdown.

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Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 09:41

Superb effort by the 'not 2nd team'. Great game to watch.

The only downer for me was our last 'chuckle brothers' lineout, which was far too complex for that time of the match... Just secure the ball!!!

Anyway, onwards and upwards!

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Posted by: jayeatman (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 11:54

Agreed, that last lineout was a shambles. Keep it simple!

As for Pollock, a very talented kn08, but he's got a long way to go before he gets to Chelsea standard play-acting! In the old days he would have rapidly got it beaten out of him. Let's hope he just grows out of it.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 12:25

Contrary to Charlieboa’s sage advice to ignore/wear these comments I can’t resist….

When exactly was Pollock play acting / diving? Examples please.

I accept many people think he’s a kn0b- no attempt to convince those people otherwise. I agree Miles Reid had a cracking game and nullified a lot of what HP tries at the breakdown. He certainly tries to influence the ref with indiscretions at the breakdown etc as lot of players do- GF, Biggar, Farrell, Ben Spencer to name a few.

However you’re all throwing around that he’s a play actor and bringing the game into footballer realms but with not examples? All I can think of is when Horse ploughed him blinded from behind. He thought it was a pen, ref disagreed, but having Horse running full pelt through your back is hardly diving. And as to those who think he intentionally got Enoch to whack his head / call that intentional diving need your heads wobbled!

I welcome any other examples. Not trying to change your view on HP but feel like a lot of what’s levelled at him above as fairly untrue.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 13:10

Saintsfella, I'll only speak for myself but you really should take Charlieboa’s advice and move on and leave all this behind.

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Date: 27/04/2026 13:10

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Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 13:14

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Saintsfella, I'll only speak for myself but you really should take Charlieboa’s advice and move on and leave all this behind.

Noted, great engagement.

Bath fan makes unfounded, sensationalist comment > Saints fan politely challenges the facts > Bath fan tells Saints fan to move on and stop commenting 👍🏻👍🏻

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Posted by: Benisjammin (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 13:41

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Saintsfella, I'll only speak for myself but you really should take Charlieboa’s advice and move on and leave all this behind.

Noted, great engagement.

Bath fan makes unfounded, sensationalist comment > Saints fan politely challenges the facts > Bath fan tells Saints fan to move on and stop commenting 👍🏻👍🏻

> Saints fan reflects on why he cares so much about the opinions of some of another clubs fans

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Posted by: @Hydor18 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 13:48

It would be an exceptional piece of thinking if Pollock really did play act, but let's face it, he didn't. However, I still think it was a harsh penalty when both tackler and defender were bent at the waist and Pollock was falling into Enoch.

A bit like the deliberate knock-on law, I think the high tackle laws are really difficult for players to adhere to, especially in close encounters where the expectation is for a 6'6" chap to stoop to tackle a someone smaller running at them in the space of 2 or 3 metres.

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Posted by: Dan Wiley (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 15:29

I think players, not just Pollock, are starting to look for light head contact. The tackle hasn't bent properly, why not move in such a way to increase the chance of head contact? Particularly if they are reasonably passive as in this case? If they make contact you've got a pen, maybe more, worst case you've got a bump on the head that you were largely in control of.

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Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 17:14

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When exactly was Pollock play acting / diving? Examples please.

I'm afraid that I did see Pollack throw his hands up (a-la continental roundballer) at one point in the match, although I can't quite remember when it happened... maybe the Muir challenge but not positive...

Bottom line: Saints won.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: saintsfella (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 17:51

‘The Muir Challenge’ which bit of that was play acting?

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Posted by: plong (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 18:45

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‘The Muir Challenge’ which bit of that was play acting?

For the love of God, please read the WHOLE comment!

"MAYBE"!!!

I cannot remember the situation, but I DO recall Pollack throwing up his hands theatrically towards the ref!

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 20:24

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‘The Muir Challenge’ which bit of that was play acting?

For the love of God, please read the WHOLE comment!

"MAYBE"!!!

I cannot remember the situation, but I DO recall Pollack throwing up his hands theatrically towards the ref!

In fairness, a lot of players do that. Spencer, for us, certainly

It's up to the ref to warn and then penalise it if he/she feels it is excessive

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Posted by: The Bear (IP Logged)
Date: 27/04/2026 21:46

You can change the course of a game by drawing attention to an incidental head collision, now we have the 'benefit' of a TMO.

Of course players will appeal, just as we supporters cheer and jeer potential infringements. The stigma is gone.

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 07:55

Pollock didn’t cheat. It was a Pen under the Laws. Saints won the game. That’s about it in relation to that one incident? Yes all players appeal, from the Prem down to level 10.

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Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 08:12

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Yes all players appeal, from the Prem down to level 10.

The question for me is: Is that right?

The issue for me is that rugby differs from football in that the behaviour is respectful despite players knocking lumps out of each other.

Its an unwritten law that interaction with the ref goes through the skipper, all examples given of players who 'chat back' are captains, Ford, Spencer, Farrell etc. Pollock isn't alone in seeking the refs attention but he is high profile given his other mischievous behaviour. His actions disrespect Dingwall.

I think everything should be done to maintain respect for the referee of course there will be incidents where other players ask the question but should we accept it repeatedly from the same player? I would say that of ANY player not only Pollock.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 08:43

I am with you Shippers - I am an old sod and in my ancient days of playing that type of behaviour just wasn't tolerated. Now I am not saying that is the right attitude because rightly so we need to protect players and reduce the risk of long term or life shortening injuries or conditions.

Personally, I just do not wish us to go down the "diving" and "play acting" debacle we now see in the round ball game. That is just my opinion others will rightly have different ideas.

One thing Pollock does need to understand as do other protégés they are the starlets in our children and future players eyes and as such they will shape the game in the future.

In the words of the law that WAS a penalty simple, the question rightly asked by Ben Kay how many of those shots took place in the previous 80 mins which the TMO did not come in on?

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Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 09:52

It’s a game with heightened emotions and adrenaline, players at all levels are going to react to stuff that they think the ref has missed. Probably more at the lower levels where there is only a single official. Ironically it means that they are particularly unlikely to change their mind on something they didn’t see properly. As long as it’s respectfully done I don’t take issue with it when I’m reffing. ‘Sir is it ok to ask something…they keep going off their feet but it’s not being penalised…’ the answer is usually that it’s a 50/50 and the ref has seen it differently.

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Posted by: Dan Wiley (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 10:19

Apologies for banging this drum again.

My issue is not that it was a pen, but that that same action could ever not be a pen. Stop it being legal to EVER tackle at that height.

It's not just that in the 80min there were other tackles that did involve high contact that may have been missed because it wasn't the end of the game, its that there were almost certainly other tackles of a very similar nature that didn't involve head contact, so are deemed legal, but could so very easily have been dangerous. The result is players continue to tackle high.

I do think Pollock goes looking for it, hardly the first rugby player to do so, at any rate he's little motivation not to put his head in harms way, Gyamfi's solution is to not be at that height. If tackling at that height lead to a penalty every single time, he wouldn't be there. We wouldn't be talking about the other 80 min, all tackles where the tackler doesn't bend enough would have been penalized (and as a result they probably wouldn't have been attempted at that height).

Honestly, we'll make the game safer, eliminate pointless red cards and stop controversial (if correct) decisions such as this one. There's a good chance we might even see a higher paced offloading game. Come on World Rugby, half the world is already doing this, its way passed time to catch up.

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Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 11:10

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I am with you Shippers - I am an old sod and in my ancient days of playing that type of behaviour just wasn't tolerated. Now I am not saying that is the right attitude because rightly so we need to protect players and reduce the risk of long term or life shortening injuries or conditions.
Personally, I just do not wish us to go down the "diving" and "play acting" debacle we now see in the round ball game. That is just my opinion others will rightly have different ideas.

One thing Pollock does need to understand as do other protégés they are the starlets in our children and future players eyes and as such they will shape the game in the future.


Oh come on. I'm willing to bet that every single person who has ever played the game for a reasonable time will, at some point, have thrown their arms in the air and gone "Oh, c'mon ref, he's lying all over it!" or whatever the alleged offending action is

It's a game that will inevitably get human frustrations going

It's up to the ref to allow it or not and if it becomes too persistent then warn and penalise accordingly

Being highly annoying does kind of go with his position and yes Pollock can be a supremely irritating prat of a player but he is also incredibly talented

I'm also thinking of the likes of Neil Back, Spurrell, Robbo etc - is there something in the JD for having a shock of blond hair?

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Posted by: Optimist (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 13:05

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Pollock can be an incredibly talented player but he is also a supremely irritating prat

FTFY .... let's not continually excuse him because he's talented. If I had my way, we'd put more, rather than less, pressure on incredibly talented players to meet the game's other, less measurable values.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: gaz59 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 15:32

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Pollock can be an incredibly talented player but he is also a supremely irritating prat

FTFY .... let's not continually excuse him because he's talented. If I had my way, we'd put more, rather than less, pressure on incredibly talented players to meet the game's other, less measurable values.

Wouldn't really disagree with that, it's just that I think some of the ire on ere is merely anti Pollock and ignores similar stuff from other players including our own

And still think it's refs who are best placed to police this issue

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: shipwrecked (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 19:13

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Wouldn't really disagree with that, it's just that I think some of the ire on ere is merely anti Pollock and ignores similar stuff from other players including our own


Who are you referring to generally and who specifically at Bath? Spencer doesn't count he is the captain. This is not isolated incidents by the way Gaz.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: joethefanatic (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 20:30

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gaz59
Pollock can be an incredibly talented player but he is also a supremely irritating prat

FTFY .... let's not continually excuse him because he's talented. If I had my way, we'd put more, rather than less, pressure on incredibly talented players to meet the game's other, less measurable values.

Wouldn't really disagree with that, it's just that I think some of the ire on ere is merely anti Pollock and ignores similar stuff from other players including our own

I was perfect when I was a young man but I do have the humility to recognise that others might not be.

... IMHO, of course.

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Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Charlieboa1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/04/2026 21:50

Thought henneseey was superb, was dangerous every time he got the ball.

For donoghue to come in cold and play like that was fairly absurd, hats off.

The likes of reid, bayliss and tdg were excellent as ever.

Hats off to Kieran verden, thought he had a solid game

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathRob (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2026 07:07

The whole front row performed extremely well IMO - I know Saints are a renowned scrummaging team but they must have had an experience, and weight advantage, and I can only remember one scrum where they got the beating of us.

Good effort from them, and valuable experience banked which will see us in good stead for the coming years

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: Ali1969 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2026 08:12

"Oh come on. I'm willing to bet that every single person who has ever played the game for a reasonable time will, at some point, have thrown their arms in the air and gone "Oh, c'mon ref, he's lying all over it!" or whatever the alleged offending action is"

Gaz I am not saying that and yes that has and will always happen - I am on about feigning or play acting to get a review/action.

I have watched Pollock for a little while now and have been highly impressed with his durability - he has been targeted by most teams and like a piece of foam he just seems to bounce back and never appears to be on the floor for any length of time coupled with the fact he has had little time out injured - that was not the same player I saw on Saturday who by far and away was the one player spending the most time on the floor for what seemed innocuous contact.

Re: “MAY YOUR CHOICES REFLECT YOUR HOPES NOT YOUR FEARS”. TEAM!
Posted by: BathMatt53 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/04/2026 08:13

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The whole front row performed extremely well IMO - I know Saints are a renowned scrummaging team but they must have had an experience, and weight advantage, and I can only remember one scrum where they got the beating of us.

Saints have a load of front row injuries at the moment, such as Trevor Davison. Their front row in our game was weaker then their ideal 'cup final' selection:

1 Emmanuel Iyogun
2 Craig Wright
3 Luke Green

16 Robbie Smith
17 Danilo Fischetti
18 Cleopas Kundiona

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