Are our ticket prices competitive?


By Brummagem Bertie
July 31 2012

There was much gnashing of teeth in some quarters when our season ticket prices were announced,  mainly about what some perceived to be a steep increase over last season.  Leaving aside the valid reasons for this (that prices for existing season ticket holders last season were pegged at Championship levels) I wondered whether the club were correct to claim that our ticket prices were competitive with the rest of the Premiership. 

I hope that the attached table will prove of interest. Direct comparisons are fraught with difficulty because, in some cases, it is a bit like comparing chalk with cheese, depending on ground configuration. What I have tried to do is to identify a comparable seat price to the Slick (East) Stand, the South Stand, standing, and family. I have also looked to see whether the club does a special deal for children, other than the standard concession for under 16. I have also included Newcastle, just to see how we compare with Championship prices.

What is also apparent when looking around the other clubs are subtle differences in the packages on offer but, for the most part, they include all home games during the season, including pre-season friendlies, and free access to A games. Where there is a significant difference there is a footnote to explain it. All prices quoted are for renewal of existing season ticket holders, including any equivalent "Loyal Warrior" discount.

Club Slick Gold South Bronze Standing Family Child offer
Bath4 505 395/505 260 450 N
Chiefs 540 415 280 520 N
Gloucester 475 330 175 N N
Harlequins 595 395 N/A 330 N
Leicester 492 369/328 246 7841 Free U10
London Irish 300 275 N/A N N
London Wasps4 555 270 215 335-490 N
London Welsh 345 2252 N/A N 70 U12
Newcastle 494 2962 142 N N
Northampton 551 347 281 444 N
Sale 549 2992 199 6991 N
Saracens5 529/619 149 199 N N
Warriors 415 300 215 320 Free U10

1. Price is for 2 adults and 2 children, rather than 1 adult and 1 child;

2. Prices are for cheapest seats in a stand along the touchline, as these clubs do not have a seated stand at either end of the ground;

3. Bath charge season ticket holders for admission to pre-season friendlies;

4. Wasps do not have any pre-season friendlies lined up;

5. Saracens prices do not include 2 home HC games, one of which is at the King Baudouin Stadium and the other at a venue yet to be announced. Prices also include a 15% discount, which appears to be compensation for their rather nomadic existence next season. Sarries also appear to be charging everyone for their friendly against Stade Francais.

There are some interesting figures and comparisons in there.

Some complain about our performance last season and that we were never able to get away from the bottom. How much more upset would you have been if you had parted with the sort of money that Wasps and Bath fans did?

When we were relegated from the Premiership, would you have been happy to pay what Falcons fans are being asked, to be part of the Richards Revolution?

I also remember a thread some time ago about how Exeter were managing to turn a profit. Perhaps if we had developed Sixways on the cheap, yet charged the prices the Tribe have to pay, we would be well established in the Prem, in profit, and already have played HC rugby?

Someone once said that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. There aren't any lies in the above table but there is plenty of food for thought, and discussion.

BB

Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: Comeonyouwarriors.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2012 08:20

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Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: WarriorPhill (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2012 08:39

Nice research and review!

So am i right to think this shows it is "better value" to buy an East stand gold ticket as that is comparably the cheapest ticket? ;-)

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2012 20:59

Yes Phill.*












*Although I refer you to the penultimate sentence of the article. (Sm14)

Whatever you do, do it safely!

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: TVM Rides Again (IP Logged)
Date: 01/08/2012 08:23

All fairly interesting reading, and probably has drawn little comment as those that are looking for the opportunities to complain that the club are shafting them really don't have a leg to stand on here.

Very dilligently done Clive-o

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Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
Date: 03/08/2012 13:22

Thanks TVM.

There were a number of rather heated comments when season ticket prices were announced and a number of people who said that they would not renew. Then there are the usual moans about how we are ripped off at Worcester, which crop up with regularity. Given all that I am surprised that the thread has garnered nearly 500 views but only 2 responses!

I had hoped for more discussion and debate, especially as regards comparison with other clubs: there was some admiration expressed recently for what Exeter are doing and still managing to turn a profit. Would their admirers be quite so admiring if they were asked to stump up those prices, for the facilities offered? Looks like we'll never know!

Whatever you do, do it safely!

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: southstand (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2012 04:55

Am I right in assuming if you are a single childless orphan who doesn't like standing you are better off financially supporting London Irish ?
Or have I read it wrong ?

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: watching the lunatics (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2012 15:14

Interesting. If the Souh Bronze column represents seats behind the posts you are only including the highest prices at Quins. Other "end" prices are £159 & £295 which means that you can get a cheaper ST at Quins than anywhere else in the Premiership when you consider the £149 SAracens ticket does not include all "home" games.

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: ROLLO (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2012 17:10

I think that what one has to bear in mind is that some of the seats are available only on a three year debenture, so there are those this season that have been asked to stump up £1800 upfront per seat. I am not sure if any of the other clubs do this. Not surprisingly I know of some who have declined this offer and as they have to move seats anyway will pay per game.
I agree however that on balance the standard ST seems to compare pretty well with most of the AP.
How long the club can sustain the debenture is I think very much dependant upon how the team performs on the pitch.

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
Date: 13/08/2012 22:19

watching the lunatics, I did say in the OP that trying to get like for like comparisons is difficult, especially because of ground configuration.

I decided to go for a ticket behind the posts, and one on the halfway line, because that seemed to be the easiest way of getting the most comparable figures.

Whichever club you support, you could probably find a comparison that would put your club in a much better light than the rest (with the probable exceptions of Bath, Chiefs, and Wasps).

Whatever you do, do it safely!

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: Shoutin' Bloke (IP Logged)
Date: 14/08/2012 06:29

Given the financials of Warriors, i think we can consider ourselves more than fortunate to have the price structure we have. I know things are still tight for many, and the vRious investments in a ST or Deb, even a matchday ticket for families and individuals alike don't come cheap, but the club does seem on balance to have tried to recognise supporter constraints while seeking to balance the books too.

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: SK 88 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/08/2012 21:52

This isn't a criticism of a good piece of work, more like that bit in a school report where you'd say "If I had more time or resources I'd do this as well".

What I'd find really interesting isn't really the prices of the cheapest and dearest views/seats, but how many of them are there and how do they sell? For instance there aren't many of the most expensive seats at Tigers and they sell very very well. And whilst some clubs will have cheap tickets they won't have many of them, an example from France is Perpignan have the "pessage" which is a shallow sloping bit of tarmac at ground level, its well cheap but the view is pretty terrible and any fan would surely by a seat for more. Yet they get the PR of having a cheap ticket.

Also something that would be completely impossible to work out but fascinating would be to look at each clubs profit per seat, so taking out rental/mortgage/floodlights/any other cost.

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: Brummagem Bertie (IP Logged)
Date: 20/08/2012 01:10

I had more than enough time to do what I wanted to do, SK88, thanks to the RFU and Premier Rugby - indeed, I was sat for several weeks twiddling my thumbs whilst I waited for Falcons and Welsh to publish their prices, once they knew where they were playing!

You make some interesting observations, however, and I look forward to reading the fruits of your research - don't forget to post a link when it goes up on the Tigers MB! (Sm14)

Whatever you do, do it safely!

Re: Are our ticket prices competitive?
Posted by: JamesC (IP Logged)
Date: 25/08/2012 18:32

when you get a spare moment it would be worth comparing the individual match ticket prices, both on the day and advance rates.

LI certainly represents decent vfm but then has to due to size of ground and Reading may increase the East stand if they stay in the Barclays Prem for a couple of seasons.

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