Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Paul John
By Andrew Collins
May 21 2011
Pontypridd bosses Paul John and Dale (Chief) McIntosh could be set for promotion to the Cardiff Blues coaching set up following the mediocrity of the 2010/11 season…
Although most people are doubtful an approach for the pair will happen, the most likely move would see John installed as Young’s backs coach, an area which has been frustrating for both Blues and Wales fans this season.
The former Bryn Celynnog pupil is Wales’ only World Cup winning coach, having taken the Wales 7’s side to lift the trophy in sensational style back in 2007. Since relinquishing the role, he has also enjoyed success with his hometown club bringing Ponty to the brink of a treble this year. The Sardis Road club were knocked out of the British and Irish Cup by professional outfit Bristol in the semi-final, and despite finishing the season as league leader by 16 points, they lost the Championship Play-off match to Llanelli earlier this week.
Following a season of real disappointment for the Blues, Young admitted that in his 9 year tenure, this is the first time the club have taken a step backwards. While this has promoted many knee-jerk calls for his resignation, it’s thought a change of back room staff could be an option, especially as there will be no new arrivals in the playing squad.
Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
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Date: 21/05/2011 14:21
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Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Neil (IP Logged)
Date: 21/05/2011 16:56
Yes come on down...
not much difference between coaching part times 2 days a week to those full time athletes being paid hundreds of thousands per year...
Perhaps though Dai realises though that the recent poor system was due to the fact that thet got the interpratation wrong with regard to the breakdown laws and the players spent all summer preparing for the wrong game and that the team hasn't managed to improve the squad in line with the top teams and unless the youngsters surprise us all (yes, yess please) with a fantastic set of performances 2011/12 will be a season where the squad just have to consolidate what they have and, look to replace the remaining (experienced) players who will be in their last term here. Will that maoney be available?
A lot depends upon what happens over the next 9 months!!!
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Soldier: This is the worst part. The calm before the battle
Fry: And then the battle is not so bad?
Soldier: Oh, right. I forgot about the battle
Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot
not much difference between coaching part times 2 days a week to those full time athletes being paid hundreds of thousands per year...
Perhaps though Dai realises though that the recent poor system was due to the fact that thet got the interpratation wrong with regard to the breakdown laws and the players spent all summer preparing for the wrong game and that the team hasn't managed to improve the squad in line with the top teams and unless the youngsters surprise us all (yes, yess please) with a fantastic set of performances 2011/12 will be a season where the squad just have to consolidate what they have and, look to replace the remaining (experienced) players who will be in their last term here. Will that maoney be available?
A lot depends upon what happens over the next 9 months!!!
___________________________________________________________
Soldier: This is the worst part. The calm before the battle
Fry: And then the battle is not so bad?
Soldier: Oh, right. I forgot about the battle
Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Dim Cais (IP Logged)
Date: 22/05/2011 20:14
Quote:Neil
Yes come on down...
not much difference between coaching part times 2 days a week to those full time athletes being paid hundreds of thousands per year...
Perhaps though Dai realises though that the recent poor system was due to the fact that thet got the interpratation wrong with regard to the breakdown laws and the players spent all summer preparing for the wrong game and that the team hasn't managed to improve the squad in line with the top teams and unless the youngsters surprise us all (yes, yess please) with a fantastic set of performances 2011/12 will be a season where the squad just have to consolidate what they have and, look to replace the remaining (experienced) players who will be in their last term here. Will that maoney be available?
A lot depends upon what happens over the next 9 months!!!
Who's up the duff then?
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: bloogoo (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2011 10:21
They've earned it IMO. It would be a strong set up with those two involved and a chance for them to prove they're ready for the next level. Plus, it may improve relations between Blues and Ponty. A long shot but it might just work.
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: J1cOrange (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2011 15:58
Quote:bloogoo
They've earned it IMO. It would be a strong set up with those two involved and a chance for them to prove they're ready for the next level. Plus, it may improve relations between Blues and Ponty. A long shot but it might just work.
Gets my vote. After all we need more that just the mennace of Dan Baugh around the fringes of the pitch, Dale Mac is a good pitch-side motivator from what I have seen, an old school type who does not mince his words or pay respect where its not been earned. As for PJ well his record is there as playmaker and coach of attacking 7's play so why not take a punt. With the World cup disruptins if nows not the time for experimentation I do not know when it could be tried next?
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: cardifflose (IP Logged)
Date: 23/05/2011 16:46
same here, give them a go, we need some fresh input and new voices in the dressing room. we ain't got much money can't afford anyone else and they are already on the payroll (i think!)
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Bluepragmatist (IP Logged)
Date: 30/05/2011 17:01
When i was made aware of the article in the echo, i firstly thought that this was the usual tribalism; this time from the sardis road direction ( tribalism is an unfortunate facet of welsh rugby ) Anyway, although i would argue that Dai Young should definately stay and in that context Nigel Barzani (or whatever his name is) is totally wrong-however i've just had the privelige of watching the IRB sevens; i am a great fan of sevens and i also strongly advocate that sevens displays a lot of the basic skills that the blues lacked in their games this year. The consistently high level of the welsh team this year makes me think that Paul John would be a positive addition to the coaching team at the Bloos. The welsh team seemed to have a confidence,commitment
and attacking style that i believe Dai Young wants and with a
commitment to fast ball and dummy running from jamie roberts et al would go a long way to nullifying our slightly lightweight pack.
SO, BRING IN PAUL JOHN! in spite of nigel bazani's s..t stirring.
and attacking style that i believe Dai Young wants and with a
commitment to fast ball and dummy running from jamie roberts et al would go a long way to nullifying our slightly lightweight pack.
SO, BRING IN PAUL JOHN! in spite of nigel bazani's s..t stirring.
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Nosmo King (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2011 09:27
What relationship does 7's have to the full game? How many players can you name who have moved from 7's to the full game (and not the other way).
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: J1cOrange (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2011 15:49
Quote:Nosmo King
What relationship does 7's have to the full game? How many players can you name who have moved from 7's to the full game (and not the other way).
Don't know why you ask this. All I know about Blues and Cardiff players before Blues days was that if a player had been on 7's duty their performances improved generally and in one important respect their game awareness skills were refined, i.e they looked ahead more and read the game better.
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Bluesmonkey (IP Logged)
Date: 31/05/2011 16:18
Tal Selley is a world cup winner at 7s Nuff Said
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Nosmo King (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2011 09:26
Quote:J1cOrangeQuote:Nosmo King
What relationship does 7's have to the full game? How many players can you name who have moved from 7's to the full game (and not the other way).
Don't know why you ask this. All I know about Blues and Cardiff players before Blues days was that if a player had been on 7's duty their performances improved generally and in one important respect their game awareness skills were refined, i.e they looked ahead more and read the game better.
Right so you can't name one. Fair enough.
7's and the full game are two different games. One of Gareth Davies' weaknesses is he throws "7's" passes to often which do not work in the 15 a side game. Also How do forwards develop in 7's?
So I ask for very good reasons i.e. the two games are as different as RU and Football so who has become a 15 a side man on the back of 7's? Look at the NZ and England 7's squads they are developed totally separately from 15s.
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Blindside6 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2011 10:55
Back to the original topic.
It would seem that there will be a vacancy at the Blues now with Dan Baugh moving 'upstairs' could be the ideal opportunity for one or both of the Ponty guys to develop their CV.
It would seem that there will be a vacancy at the Blues now with Dan Baugh moving 'upstairs' could be the ideal opportunity for one or both of the Ponty guys to develop their CV.
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: cardiffsteve (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2011 11:18
Quote:Blindside6
Back to the original topic.
It would seem that there will be a vacancy at the Blues now with Dan Baugh moving 'upstairs' could be the ideal opportunity for one or both of the Ponty guys to develop their CV.
As conditioning coach?
Re: Paul John and Chief to Join Young?
Posted by: Nosmo King (IP Logged)
Date: 01/06/2011 13:19
Quote:Blindside6
Back to the original topic.
but it is "on topic"
If the success as a coach of 7's is used to justify a point of view, then the challenge as to the relevance of that "skill is perfectly valid. would we argue that Brendan Roger be offered the post as he took Swansea city up to footballs premiership? Of course not. Football and rugby = Chalk and cheese. In the same way as 7's and the 15 man game.
I do think a junior post for both Pontypridd coaches,if there are vacancies would be a good idea though.
