"Mad Dog" Moody on dementia


By Plympton Chief
August 8 2022

The clue is in his nick-name. Now a property developer and supporter of a number of charities. I make no apologies for another concussion/dementia posting as I think the topic will end up changing the face of Rugby Union for ever.

Lewis Moody can remember  just about – his most dangerous brush with concussion. It came at the 2007 Rugby World Cup, in a match against Tonga, when he was knocked unconscious in the first minute of the match.

Today, he would have been removed from the field for a thorough head injury assessment; 15 years ago, players were effectively allowed to make the decision for themselves. 

“If you got knocked out there were a series of questions you needed to answer and display the ability to respond coherently, but I just bluffed my way through the medical stuff,” Moody recalls. “I hadn’t played for two games, so I was desperate to stay on. I pushed the medical staff away and was allowed to continue. That was great in my eyes and they were happy, too.”

Moody went on to suffer another concussion in the same game, but the moment of realisation that he had pushed his body beyond its limits came 24 hours later, when he went to Disneyland Paris with his wife on a team trip. 

“My wife, Annie, said I probably shouldn’t go on the roller-coaster after what happened the day before,” Moody says. “Within 30 seconds, I was suffering from severe headaches. I just wanted to get off. It was the first real awareness for me of the impact concussion can have on the brain.”

Head injuries in rugby, and how to deal with them, is an issue that matters to Moody. His perspective is shaped not just by his own experiences on the field, where his nickname of ‘Mad Dog’ was bestowed precisely because he never flinched from putting his head where it hurts, but by being a father to a sport-mad young son (he coaches his mini-rugby team in Wiltshire), and friend to Steve Thompson, his fellow 2003 World Cup winner who has been diagnosed with early onset dementia

Neither is the problem going away. In the last weekend alone, there were two high-profile incidents in European ties: a head injury for Saracens wing Ben Harris, caused by a high tackle from Brive’s Axel Muller, and a sickening clash between Leicester’s Guy Porter and Clermont’s Fritz Lee, which saw Porter sent off

It is one of the reasons Moody has become an ambassador for The Drake Foundation, a not-for-profit organisation committed to funding research into the health effects of head injuries in sport and beyond which has played a major role in research around rugby and also the impact of heading in football. 

Last September, World Rugby issued guidance around how much contact training should be undertaken at elite levels, with the key recommendation suggesting no more than 15 minutes of full contact training per week, 40 minutes of controlled contact training and 30 minutes of set-piece training. 

But Moody believes more safeguarding measures must be put in place away from the professional game. 

“For me it is the grassroots, that is the last to see the benefits,” he says. “Until they get them, you are relying on parents to go themselves and research what training should look like to minimise concussion or any other potential injuries.

“You are lucky at a local club on a Sunday if you have a practising first aider. Let alone a doctor or physio… how do we support the grassroots game?” 

If Moody had the power to change one thing in rugby with regard to head injuries, what would it be?

“There should be a clear directive from above on how much contact should be taken in a training week. As soon as you get that across the whole rugby community, all the part-time coaches, including parents, will understand what is acceptable. There is so little need for contact to go on during training.

“Contact is important but there is enough technical work done without collision and contact to make sure a player is proficient at certain aspects of the game to make sure it is safe, particularly at the junior level. But the NFL has shown with their training that technical stuff can be done at a professional level without contact or putting the head in a dangerous position.

“A directive from World Rugby should come down on how much contact is acceptable in a training week or over the course of a season. And then it would be very clear for grassroots rugby what is acceptable, so coaches and clubs can be held to account. 

“You have to remember that grassroots rugby is run by parents who want to do what is best for young people. If they have that directive, they know what to do, but if you don’t have information coming from the experts you are making it up to some degree.”

'Concussion was treated as something you just got on with'

Moody is reassured by the fact that these conversations are now happening more openly within the sport, and has no qualms about his son playing. Certainly much has changed even since he drew his glittering player career  which included seven Premiership titles and two European Cups, as well as his international honours – to a close in 2012. 

“One of the big problems was that the power was in the players’ hands and now it is put in the hands of the medics to remove people. And that is the great progression.

“Honestly, concussion is one of those things that was treated as something you just dealt with and got on with. You certainly didn’t come off the field. And you never really wanted to come off because it wasn’t an injury that stopped you performing. It just felt like something you could get over – not like a broken leg or a torn ligament. There wasn’t a huge amount of understanding around how you rehab and get back fit from it.”

Moody is aiming to improve that understanding through his work with The Drake Foundation, with cases such as Thompson’s simply fuelling his desire to drive for more change and better support for players affected by head injuries, and their families. 

“For me, Steve’s diagnosis has been incredibly sad to hear because we are close. Shortly after my own father also passed away with early onset dementia, so I understand the implications of what it means in the future. 

“Having seen a parent go through early onset dementia I would like to see a support network and a pool of money for players of all standards that played the game to make sure that there is money for them in their hour of need.

“And also to support players with other illnesses and injuries that have come from the game. Seeing the impact of my dad’s early onset dementia – not just on him, but my mum, and the costs that come with that – I would like to see that come from these conversations.”

"Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
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Date: 08/08/2022 12:43

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Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: cornwallchief (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2022 17:13

Dementia and the ensuing litigation will change the game but how fast and what the changes are is very unclear to me. IMO there are too many substitutes allowed, especially in the forwards, sanctions are as yet too random, players play again too quickly after concussion - LCD recently being a clear example - and most importantly there are too many high intensity games - too much rugby - exemplified by the perceived need for ever bigger revenues and elite games. There is a big mismatch in club finances - mostly loss making - squad size and the evermore demanding fixture list requiring players to often play when not properly fit.

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: minuteman (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2022 22:26

Very very good program on BBC 2 last night focusing on Steve Thompson but with contributions from Lewis Moody and Ben Cohen . At times a quite harrowing watch and is well worth an hour of anyones time for a bit more perspective.

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: keithbar54 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 13:22

A very interesting doc on these players and Steve Thompson you have to feel sorry for not remembering key things in his life, but in all sports there are risks .I do think this needs addressing though as these knocks are brutal leaving ever lasting problems .were they go from here is anyone's guess and lets hope they come up with good solutions and not Micky mouse ideas.

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: Not Manichean (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2022 14:32

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keithbar54
A very interesting doc on these players and Steve Thompson you have to feel sorry for not remembering key things in his life, but in all sports there are risks .I do think this needs addressing though as these knocks are brutal leaving ever lasting problems .were they go from here is anyone's guess and lets hope they come up with good solutions and not Micky mouse ideas.

The immediate obvious and easy first step would be to go back to injury only subs.

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: r0wly86 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 12:08

I am not convinced anything will come from the law suit.

They will need to prove that World Rugby had a duty of care over the players, that isn't a given, seeing as the players will be employed by their clubs, and selected by their individual unions.

They would then have to prove that WR breached that duty of care, for this to be the case WR would need to know or should have reasonably known that there was a link between concussions and later mental health issues, if they knew this and didn't tell anyone then there could be a case to answer. If they cannot show this then it will be hard to show that WR breached a duty of care.

This has to be of the time, you cannot look back with today's knowledge, but was known at the time. There is also a potential defence of volenti, players knew that rugby would involve hits to the head and potential concussions and decided to play anyway.

That being said the movement in concussion protocol is immense. They used to do full contact training every day for hours, now they do 15 minutes a week. The hit in the scrum was incredible pressure on the necks, while still not eliminated the "hit" is much less than in the early 2000s.

Also as per Moody's interview, players would game the system to play, medical and coaching staff would be more lenient to make sure they didn't lose a key player. Now everyone knows how dangerous it is and will be taken off the pitch immediately and this is the case for grassroots as well.

Plus they are now stood down for 2 weeks as a matter of course, compared to the 2000s where likelihood is a player would get a concussion and be at training the next week.

The big problem though is not actually concussions per se but repeated blows to the head and neck that do not cause a concussion (so players stay on the pitch) but add towards chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

There is no easy answer to this as a head on the wrong side of a tackle, a clear out, scrums, rucks etc could all add to CTE

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: r0wly86 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 12:12

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Not Manichean
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keithbar54
A very interesting doc on these players and Steve Thompson you have to feel sorry for not remembering key things in his life, but in all sports there are risks .I do think this needs addressing though as these knocks are brutal leaving ever lasting problems .were they go from here is anyone's guess and lets hope they come up with good solutions and not Micky mouse ideas.

The immediate obvious and easy first step would be to go back to injury only subs.

Major problems with this idea. It is far too easy to game the system, player goes down with a dead leg, impossible to diagnose independently you just have to take the player's word for it, impossible for the player to carry on, but goes away quickly so they could play the week after.

Secondly, players getting more tired will likely lead to more injuries, and mistakes of head in the wrong place etc

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: Not Manichean (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 13:26

Well quite a few others have suggested this including nigel Owens and various members of the current group action who have undoubtedly considered the pros and cons.

I think that the gaming is reasonably easy to manage. Players on the pitch generally know whats going on and rumours spread very quickly especially for serial offenders.

If any injury replacement demanded an enforced one match rest period i doubt that it would be badly abused.

With regard to injury risk, i doubt that tired players pose a greater risk than having 60 stone of fresh legs appearing against tired players clearing out rucks at speed with 20 minutes to go.

I acknowledge the counter arguments which have been much debated, but on balance believe that it would be a positive move.

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: r0wly86 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 14:59

the issue of mandatory rest games if someone is subbed would be that people who need to go off hide it so they don't miss the next game. This was the kind of thing that happened before subs came in.

We know how the blood bin was abused, we know of one team doing it, but I'd imagine a fair few teams were doing the same kind of thing but just weren't caught.

Re: "Mad Dog" Moody on dementia
Posted by: Not Manichean (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2022 15:32

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r0wly86
the issue of mandatory rest games if someone is subbed would be that people who need to go off hide it so they don't miss the next game. This was the kind of thing that happened before subs came in.
We know how the blood bin was abused, we know of one team doing it, but I'd imagine a fair few teams were doing the same kind of thing but just weren't caught.

Yes all fair points. And i have considered those arguments previously.

I think that its unrealistic to take all of the risk out of the sport. In fact that jeopardy is part of the appeal of both playing and watching and what makes it such a unique sport. And i say that as someone who broke my neck playing and am now in fairly constant pain after three major operations.

But the EOD class action is now posing an existential risk to the sport and all possible options need to be considered.

Bringing back rucking is another partial fix imo, although again, not without its own drawbacks and potential unintended consequences.

Id be happy to hear other suggestions because i dont think it is an option to ignore the issue.

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