Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview


By Mark W-J
November 18 2009

You wait 11 years for a Friday night fixture, and then three come along at once! This week London Welsh return to the Midlands for the opening round of the inaugural British & Irish Cup. The competition, featuring all 12 Championship clubs, three Irish provinces, six Welsh clubs and three Scottish teams, will run during International windows with semi-finals and a final to follow in April/ May.

The expanded cup, which guarantees at least five fixtures per club, is undoubtedly intended to rebuff criticism from the clubs regarding the loss of four league matches - and therefore revenue - which has resulted from the streamlining of the second tier of English rugby.  There is an argument that the introduction of cross-border competition will firstly rekindle old rivalries, particularly between the Welsh clubs and the English teams who enjoyed regular meetings in a sepia-tinted era, and secondly bring together teams who have never crossed paths in over 100 years of history. 

Unfortunately, the prevalence of English clubs in the draw, combined with the adoption of such extensive league play-offs, means that there is also a distinct possibility that familiarity may breed contempt.  Based upon current league positions, London Welsh and Moseley would be drawn together in the pool stage of the promotion play-offs, along with Bristol and Nottingham, and as a result we would be playing each other at least five times this season – three times at Billesley Common, twice at ODP, and potentially again at Twickenham in the promotion Grand Final. 

Moseley currently sit in 7th place in the Championship, one place behind London Welsh, with five wins and six defeats; they’ve also picked-up three try-bonus points and a single loss-bonus, at home to London Welsh last month.  Their defence is the second worst in the league – only Bees have let-in more than their 38 tries and 309 points, but 20 of those tries were conceded in the opening three games, against Exeter, Pirates and Nottingham.  Welsh, on the other hand, now have the third best defence– we were neck-and-neck with Exeter and Bedford having seen our line crossed only 16 times before last weekend’s debacle, and have now conceded a total of 196 points.  However, Mose have scored marginally more points than the Exiles – each side has registered 26 tries and 25 penalties, but the Midlanders have converted 19 to our 14, with a Gordon Ross drop-goal bringing the overall scores to 243-236. 

Top try-scorer for Moseley is winger Nathan Bressington with six, and while fly-half Tristan Roberts is top-scorer with 80 points, the goal-kicking has also been shared by England Sevens star Rob Thirlby and South African fly-half/ centre Andy Borgen – all three have success rates of over 70%.  Wales scrum-half, Andy Williams, formerly of Bath, Ospreys and the Dragons, returned from the calf injury sustained in our last meeting for last Friday’s 23-7 defeat at Bedford. 

When the Championship was first proposed two years ago, one of the key selling-points, from the RFU’s perspective, was that the slimming-down to 12 teams meant that each club would be ‘twinned’ with a Premiership side.  The second-tier clubs would thereby act as feeder clubs, in much the same way as regional rugby supposedly works alongside the club game in the Magners League, and promising young English players, struggling to get meaningful game-time in the Premiership’s ‘A’ League, would be dual-registered with their Championship ‘twin’.  This is just one of the many promises which the powers-that-be have failed to deliver, but Moseley are one of the few clubs who have created a mutually beneficial dual-registration scheme with their old foes at Gloucester. 

Yet Mose have endured a barrage of criticism from those supporters of rival clubs who feel that, by ‘borrowing’ young English talent and giving them valuable experience, Moseley are somehow cheating their Championship rivals.  Many people suggested that their National Trophy success last season was tainted; that they’d packed the team with ‘ringers’.  Yet while Welsh and Bees – and, if the rumours are true, as many as half a dozen others - have faced financial ruin after spending beyond their means, Moseley have cut their cloth and taken full advantage of the opportunities available to them.  Of course, the servant club is reliant upon the master calling the shots and withdrawing players at a moment’s notice, but by building and nurturing the relationship Moseley have made a success of the scheme at little or no cost – financial or otherwise - to themselves.  It would seem that you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t… 

This weekend – despite being the meeting of two old friends – is a step into the unknown.  It’s impossible to tell the extent to which any of the 24 teams have prioritised the cup, and while - on paper at least - the Championship teams would seem to have the advantage of being a) settled, and b) predominantly professional, it’s difficult to guess how many fringe-players from the Magners League will be available to the Welsh, Scottish & Irish teams taking part.  Our current run of patchy form began with a narrow – some might say fortunate – win at Billesley Common four weeks ago:  it would nice to think that this Friday that is where our season gets back on track.

Tom Brown held just short of the try line

Tom Brown is held up just short of the try line in our cup game against Moseley last season

Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: The Dragons\\\' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 18/11/2009 09:56

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Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 18/11/2009 14:25

I would like to see Ben Thomas in the second row on Friday night. IMO Ben has been treated very badly by the playing management, and we are extremely lucky to still have his services.

Can we expect other squad members who have not played much rugby this season getting a place in the starting line up this Friday?

As for the result in Friday Night's game i predict that LONDON WELSH will get back to winning ways no matter who wears the LONDON WELSH jersey. PADDYTAF (Sm60)(Sm128)

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 18/11/2009 15:09

PT - I think BT's been injured hence not playing.

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2009 11:11

Team to play Moseley Friday night
London Welsh have augmented their squad for the opening game of the British and Irish Cup by including two new on-loan players from London Irish, Ben Stevenson and Steve Woodward, while Simon Whatling makes his first start at number 10.

The full squad is:

15. Ed Lewis-Pratt
14. Dominic Shabbo
13. Greg Evans
12. Paul Mackey
11. Errie Claassens
10. Simon Whatling
9. Rob Lewis
1. Robin Boot
2. Dan George
3. Lorne Ward
4. Matt Garvey
5. Mike Powell
6. Matt Corker
7. Jonathan Mills
8. Tom Brown

Replacements

16. Gavin O'Meara
17. Joe Horn-Smith
18. Ben Thomas
19. Ben Gotting
20. Ben Stevenson
21. Steve Woodward
22. Aled Thomas

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2009 12:20

I hope Matt Garvey isn't cup tied in anyway. Didn't he return to LONDON IRISH to take part in the anglo welsh cup competition? If I'm wrong i would be delighted to see Matt on Friday night in the second row.

Here's to a thumping WIN on Friday night. PADDYTAF (Sm60)(Sm128)

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Ellie Crisell (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2009 12:44

Quote:
paddytaf
I hope Matt Garvey isn't cup tied in anyway. Didn't he return to LONDON IRISH to take part in the anglo welsh cup competition? If I'm wrong i would be delighted to see Matt on Friday night in the second row.
Here's to a thumping WIN on Friday night. PADDYTAF (Sm60)(Sm128)

Different cup competitions surely?

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: 1spy (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2009 12:52

Simon was not comfortable with the the 10 position at Pirates.Hope he has better luck with you.

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 19/11/2009 13:26

Quote:
Ellie Crisell
Different cup competitions surely?

Depends on how the rules for the B&I Cup have been drawn-up. Last season anybody who'd played in the Anglo-Welsh was ineligible for the National Trophy.

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 19:41

6 mins, floodlight failure!

Money found for meter.

Matt Garvey try, Ed L-P conv. 0-7



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Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 19:48

Claassens try, Ed L-P conv 0-14

Mose pen. 3-14

Ed L-P try and con 3-21



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Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 19:58

C'mon Welsh. Nice to see EL-P getting the kicks over.

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 20:04

And another kick by Ed. Pen 3-24

Mose try. 8-24

Half time



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Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 20:45

Tom Brown try, Ed L-P con. 8-31

Stevenson try, Ed con. 8-38



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Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 20:52

Mose try, 13-38

And one more, this one converted 20-38

And again. 27-38



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Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 21:21

Full time?

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 21:23

yes. Win 27-38

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 21:24

Ace = thanks for the scores, much appreciated.

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 21:28

Well done - We seem to have found the try line again.
A little close for comfort in the end but as they say
a win is a win is a win (Sm152)

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: Jon_r43 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/11/2009 22:03

Well done.

LKR (LI supporter)

Re: Moseley v London Welsh - B&I Cup Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 22/11/2009 18:33

The rugby paper says Ed Lewis-Pratt shines. On Friday night we had lots and lots of pluses but for me the biggest plus was Ed. IMO he had an absolute stormer. Well done to the whole team and very well done Ed Lewis-Pratt. PADDYTAF. (Sm60)(Sm128)

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