London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!


By Mark W-J
October 7 2010

Last Friday night's horror show may have occurred on the 1st rather than the 31st of October, but it was enough to give the London Welsh supporters nightmares.  And if the visit of an apparently struggling Doncaster gives the impression of being a welcome opportunity to banish that memory, you only have to cast your mind back to their visit to ODP last October to be brought back to a harsh reality.


The Knights began last season with six consecutive defeats, collecting their first point on October 10th in a 17-14 defeat at home to Coventry.  Yet seven days later they claimed a fine 21-6 win at Plymouth before beating Bristol 26-22 at Castle Park.  When they arrived in Richmond on Hallowe’en, we were suffering something of a hangover after a crushing bonus point home win over one of our top six rivals followed by a demoralising display in the Friday night rain.  Sound familiar…?  That Saturday afternoon Welsh were blown away, a fifth minute try by winger Matt Williams and a second-half penalty try giving the visitors a 20-9 win, their dominance not truly reflected by the scoreline.

This season has been slightly better, as Lynn Howells’ team find themselves occupying the final play-off place after six rounds, level on 12 points with Esher, albeit behind our neighbours by virtue of having won one game fewer.  Their two victories have been at Bristol (26-12) and last weekend’s incredible 46-42 home win over Nottingham, in which they trailled 42-27 with fewer than five minutes remaining.  A converted try by centre Chris Briers in the 77th minute was followed by an injury-time penalty try, yet there was still time for Donny to knock-on from the restart, turnover the Nottingham ball at the scrum, and work the ball out to former Esher winger Dougie Flockhart, who sprinted over from inside his own half.

As this suggests, Doncaster games this season are rarely dull.  Their six matches have produced 320 points (154 for, 166 against) at an average of over 53 per game, with a total of 33 tries (15 for, 18 against).  Welsh, on the other hand, have conceded only four tries in six games – the best record in the division – and Shaun Renwick’s try for Esher last Friday is the first time that we’ve conceded before the hour mark.  Across the Championship as a whole, almost two thirds of the 179 tries scored (at a rate of five per game) have been scored by backs, with the Welsh backline clearly the most potent in the division, claiming 15 of the club’s 17 touchdowns.  Josh Drauniniu is joint-top try scorer with Worcester’s Miles Benjamin on five, while Liam Gibson is tied with three others – including the aforementioned Matt Williams – on four.

Notwithstanding their poor start to the season, Donny made the promotion play-offs last year, thanks in no small part to a terrific run of four wins in 14 days in February.  Their patchy league form was all the more confusing given their exemplary record in the British & Irish Cup, in which they were the only team to qualify from the pool stages with a maximum return of 25 points from five matches.  The last two games in the first part of the league season were lost, so despite finishing 7th overall they went into the play-offs with a lack of momentum, perhaps exacerbated by a sense of relief at having avoided the relegation pool for which they’d appeared destined throughout much of the winter.  Although they beat Nottingham home-and-away – something which neither Welsh nor Exeter achieved – they lost the four matches against the top two sides and finished bottom of the pool.  Welsh won both meetings with a try-bonus, and Paul Sampson’s four tries in those two games brought him level with Andy Currier as our most prolific try-scorer in league rugby, with 36.

Another record-breaker in the scarlet jersey this season is the great Lorne Ward.  Mower made his debut in a friendly at Henley in August 2002, his first league appearance coming at Moseley three weeks later.  He scored his first try in the 15-0 win at Plymouth in January 2003, and in his first stint with the club made 57 league appearances, scoring five tries.  He left in the summer of 2005 for The Stoop, where he made 23 appearances – but only seven starts – during Quins’ year in National One, scoring a try in their only defeat of the season, at Exeter.  In the Premiership the following season he only got a couple of runs from the bench, making most of his appearances in the EDF, European Shield and ‘A’ league, before coming ‘home’ to ODP on-loan in January.  Lorne made 11 starts for Welsh that season, but was signed by Bath in the summer, where his experience matched that of his second year at Quins, and after a loan-spell at Toulon (the thinking-man’s Carl Hayman?) he was off to Richmond again – although this time his destination was London Scottish.  But after one season at the Athletic Ground, Mower found his way back to Welsh last summer, making his 100th appearance for the club in the B&I Cup game with Bedford.  Last Friday night he made his 100th appearance in league rugby for Welsh when he came off the bench for the final five minutes.  He’s started in 86 of those 100 games – exactly the same record as Steve Millard, alongside whom he made so many appearances.  And if you were to ask him the secret of his longevity at the coalface – he’d tell you it’s Welsh cakes.

 

London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: The Dragons\\\' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2010 09:22

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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:06

LW 5-0 Don (Shabbo)

Conv missed



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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:11

LW 10-0 Don (Shabbo)

12-0

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:16

LW 15-0 Don

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:18

LW 15-3 Don

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:27

LW 20-3 Don (Stevenson)

22-3

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:36

Donny No9 yellow carded- no rolling away?

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:38

LW 27-3 Don (Breeze)

29-3

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 15:44

half time

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 16:01

LW 29-8 Don

29-10

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 16:17

LW player yellow carded

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 16:20

LW 29-15 Don

29-17

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Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 16:45

LW 29-24 Don

29-26

final score

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Gorseinon Jack (IP Logged)
Date: 09/10/2010 18:59

phew....that was close!

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: londonbound (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2010 09:45

Was it me or were we taken to the cleaners by the ref! Especially in the second half. Do we need to get a ref in? As the number of points conceeded were all stupid errors, offsides, not releasing, killing the ball etc, etc. We need to get on the right side of the refs as they are punishing us dramatically. Look at the points conceeded and points scored.
Also yesterday's added time felt like an age and the ref trying to even up the scores or was it just me feeling this?

Sorry also noticed at half time that Brett Davey was talking to the ref all the way back to the dressing rooms. There was no one from us talking in his other ear, as we don't use the main changing room; maybe we need to escourt the ref back and forth!



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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 10/10/2010 18:06

Agreed London Bound
Was the ref an Aussie? Might explain some of the decisions given against us for accidental offside re catching and driving etc - different interpretations down under !
At least no one could claim he was "homer"

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Ellie Crisell (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 08:43

I think we got 2 penalty decisions in the second half, Doncaster at least 10 and maybe even up to 15.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: David Barrett (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 10:26

I was not going to mention the ref this week as he - I think - was worse than bad. I totally agree with the comments made if the refereeing is going to continue to be as bad as it has been this season we must learn to play them or as Doncaster did talk to them and then "con" them.
I just can't understand as seems to have happended with every game at home this season why the ref still needs to be sorting out the scrum in the the last quarter of the game. If he has not sorted it by then it must be the way he does or does not communicate with the players. Another couple of general comment about the refs I have seen at ODP this season - Most times when a ref gives a decision the players look as bemused as the spectators as to what it is for. Also when will they learn that if they take up good positions to watch what is happening refeering the game will be much eaiser. Also do they talk to the teams or at least the captains before a game. If they do they don't appear to get much of a message across.
None of these comments are about the laws of the game they are just about common sense refeering.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 10:43

Quote:
Di Bark
Most times when a ref gives a decision the players look as bemused as the spectators as to what it is for. Also when will they learn that if they take up good positions to watch what is happening refeering the game will be much eaiser.

He should be up in the stand near where we sit Di Bark, we always call every decision correctly from up there!



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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: MC-TJ (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 13:42

It is true that all decisions in the stand are correct and no passes are dropped, tackles missed and every try is scored. I will also guarantee that the home team is always penalised far more than the away team.

In 15 years of officiating I am not sure I ever had the perfect faultless game (as most crowd's will tell you) but what I would say is that I could only arbitrate on what happened in front of me....or more importantly what I saw happen in front of me and give an honest decision based on that.

I think to say everyone looks bemused is incorrect. There will be the odd time when they think he is wrong...naturally.

If you could hear the referee you would know that most times he is helping the players by giving preventive advice such as 'roll away', 'hands off' etc. It is then up to the players to act accordingly or not. And of course, no coach/player ever goes up to a ref after a game and thanks him for winning the game for them! As it happens the referee on Saturday had a pretty good game - and if you conduct a trial by dvd you will see that. He was relaxed, communicated well and was unobtrusive!

No complaints from the club.

The ref didn't trangsress and give away the penalties - he just refereed what the players decided to do. Players take responsibilty for their actions as do referees.

Anyway, click on the link below and have a go at getting 100% - you might enjoy it and I guarantee you will find something out you never know before.


[www.irblaws.com]

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 14:54

I thought that we had a far worse second half performance than the referee did. Doncaster came out, put us under pressure and we conceded far too many penalties. The referee didn't change his approach at half time!

I think a lot of the frustration comes from not understanding some of the decisions (it was suggested by someone in front of me in the stand that wider use of the Reflink system would help). We may also not be up to date as to which laws the IRB have told refs to pay special attention to or interpret in a different way.

If your team is controlling the game (as we were in the 1st half) then there won't be so many infringements by you.


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MC-TJ
I will also guarantee that the home team is always penalised far more than the away team.

Intrigued by this comment. Is there any obvious reason for it?

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 15:18

I think Kurky's being facetious.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: MC-TJ (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 15:37

actually not being facetious - what nld says is true. Ref did not change his approach at half time. They played better and we didnt kill them off. as a result we got frustrated and let them in and then gave away poor pens.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 15:42

Sorry, I thought that the quote that Nigel was questioning was tongue-in-cheek.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 16:00

So why the disadvantage to home teams when it comes to decisions? Is it a subconcious balancing out of home advantage? The perception of many supporters is that refs tend to get influenced by the largest section of the crowd (usually those from the home team) and therefore the away team gets the worse deal.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: MC-TJ (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 16:02

Apologies - I missed his final line re quote....what do you expect from an old has been match official?!

Anyway, below is a link to the updates sent to refs as to what they should be prioritising.

Also there is absolutely no doubt that reflink really does help. They have it now at Wasps and I know that it really helps spectators' enjoyment as they understand why decisions are being given. If you look at their fans' forum you will see what a difference it has made to them

Nevertheless - re my facetious comment (and it was-you are right)) I know that from talking to some of the ODP regulars - it doesnt matter what sort of game the ref has - he always has a bad game and that is genuinly what they think! Easy target I am afraid but it goes with the territory. It is a shame though.


[www.rfu.com]

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 16:27

I took it at face value, I never question anything a referee says or does!

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 18:36

As I've made a prat of myself I might as well keep going and list the other theories I have heard over the years:

We get penalised more because our red shirts and socks stand out.
Referees always favour the home team (only when we're away though!).
Refs always favour the big name team (eg when we played Quins, Northampton etc) and are intimidated by them.
When we're the 'big name' we get penalised because they feel sorry for the smaller club and our history goes against us.
Refs with Welsh names or a Welsh wife never give us any 50/50 decisions as they don't want to be accused of bias.
If Jason Spice is playing you don't need a ref because he referees the game himself!

That last one is probably true.

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: gar (IP Logged)
Date: 11/10/2010 22:51

in ir blaws my favourite question is the one about touch judges guilty of misconduct!!

Re: London Welsh v Doncaster - Preview & Lorne Ward Tribute!
Posted by: MC-TJ (IP Logged)
Date: 12/10/2010 11:14

never!

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