London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview


By Mark W-J
March 9 2011

After six months, 132 games, 705 tries – including 77 try bonuses - and 6312 points, before a grand total of 284,212 paying spectators, the Championship this week starts afresh.  For London Welsh this means renewing acquaintances with Worcester, Nottingham and Bristol, all of whom have beaten us in the last two months as, in the words of the club’s official website: now it starts to get serious! 

First up are Nottingham, who beat us 22-13 at ODP on the final weekend of part one of the season.  The Green & Whites matched last season’s fifth-place finish, and will travel down the M1 in confident mood, not only because of their recent success but because in the corresponding play-off fixture last season they recorded a comfortable 29-12 win, complete with try bonus.  That was the last time we conceded the full five points in a home league fixture, although Bedford did score four tries in their three-point defeat last month.  Despite finishing one place behind Welsh, Nottingham scored more tries and points than us, and with 16 bonus points (11 try bonuses, five losing) they ended up only four points behind us even though they won twelve games to our fourteen.

Many coaches have been quoted in the rugby press in recent weeks talking about the importance of reaching the play-offs in a rich vein of form, of hitting the ground running.  In that respect, they couldn’t really have come at a worse time for Welsh.  We’ve lost four of our last five fixtures – the aforementioned defeats to our three play-off rivals being preceded by a 29-13 loss at Rotherham – and of the twelve Championship clubs only Moseley have collected fewer points from their last six games: Welsh and Bees have gathered just 10 from a possible 30, and Moseley nine, compared to 16 for our relegation-threatened neighbours, Esher.  Worcester, on the other hand, have collected 29 points in that time, their failure to score four tries at Birmingham Solihull on the final weekend bringing to an end a run of 10 consecutive bonus point wins.  And having finished last season 30 points adrift of Bristol, with 14 wins and a draw from 22 games, it’s disappointing that 14 wins this term have seen us finish 33 points behind Worcester, although, in mitigation, Worcester have had a fairly trouble-free stroll to the top spot, unlike Bristol, who were pushed every inch of the way by their eventual conquerors, Exeter.  On the plus side, Josh finished part one of the campaign as the division’s joint-top try-scorer, his 14 touchdowns being matched by fellow wingers Matty Williams (Doncaster) and Worcester’s Marcel Garvey and Miles Benjamin, while our record of 37 tries conceded was bettered only by Pirates (34) and Bedford (35).

The play-off format is the same as the Heineken Cup, in the respect that four teams in each pool play each other home-and-away.  It’s often been said that to progress in Europe a team must win all of its home games, beat the weakest opponent (invariably the Italians, Scots or the Dragons) away from home, and collect at least a losing bonus point from the remaining away ties.  The problem with that theory is that there doesn’t appear to be a truly weak team in Pool A, although results in our pool last season – also containing Nottingham, Exeter and Doncaster – showed absolutely no trend of form or logic.  Exeter lost at both Nottingham and our adopted home at Esher; we were thrashed at home by Nottingham but won at Meadow Lane a week later; while the Green & Whites contrived to lose twice to Doncaster, thereby collecting just the one home win, and that against the Chiefs.  One new development this season – and one which distinguishes this competition from any other – is the points brought-forward from stage one; the top seeds (Worcester and Bedford) each start on three points, the second seeds (Welsh and Pirates) on two, and the third seeds (Nottingham and Doncaster) one.  The top two seeds also enjoy the advantage of alternate home-and-away fixtures, although we finish with a trip to Nottingham on 16th April, meaning that both stage one and stage two of our season open and close with meetings with Glenn Delaney’s side.

This Saturday’s game is being broadcast live by Sky, the first time that a league or cup game has been broadcast live from ODP – although our B&I Cup match with Swansea, originally scheduled for 18th December, was to be televised by S4C.  The fixtures which have been shown to-date – including our game at Bedford at the start of October – have generally been deemed to show the Championship in a good light, although we should perhaps gloss-over the fact that both of our televised games in the last year – the other was the play-off semi-final at Bristol last May – have ended in defeat.  What the TV audience will make of our picturesque corner of South West London is anyone’s guess, and it’s worth remembering that our rivals in Pool A are the only three clubs in the Championship playing in stadia which are believed to fulfil the strict criteria for promotion to the Premiership.  Unfortunately, as one long-standing supporter has discovered after banging his head against countless brick walls, the criteria are not freely available to be reviewed by the paying punter, and none of the twelve clubs seems willing to admit that they’ve even submitted an application for consideration.  At the start of the season John Taylor suggested to Rugby Times that the terms & conditions for promotion were not set in stone, and that there may be the possibility of a year’s grace for a club which won the play-offs but was not in a position to fulfil all of the criteria immediately.  That may or may not be the case, but first of all we need to concentrate on on-field matters, and getting out of the ‘Pool of Death’ (every competition has to have one – it’s mandatory).  Now it starts to get serious!

 

London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
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Date: 09/03/2011 20:10

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Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2011 12:58

Am I alone is struggling to work up any enthusiasm for the play offs? Tomorrow particularly, with the 6 nations on the box I reckon it'll be another sparse London Welsh crowd. From the rugby perspective, what do LW have to look forward to? Rumour has it we didn't even approach the RFU for the audit of facilities so even if we get through the play offs we couldn't join the premiership without a move to some souless soccer stadium and a last minute appeal to the RFU
Sorry to be so negative, but I'll still be there tomorrow to get my fix......

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2011 17:09

If we win I suspect the juices will start flowing again... dry pitch, bit of sun, Josh running wild, Epi smashing through the middle..... I can feel the enthusiasm building already !

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/03/2011 23:29

Oh how negative! I'm looking forward to the playoffs (save the away at Bristol where opera calls me away). It's a no-lose campaign in which our team, without losing its head defensively, can play open attaching rugby without much to lose. We could beat Nottingham, pull off a stunner (or a ground-out one point win) at Sixways, play a magic flute at Bristol and go into the final 3 matches feeling decidedly cocky.

Whereas Worcester must be wondering if they could be humiliated into winning massively the main season only to get egg on their faces in the play-off group stage from us and maybe Nottingham too, and be in the dodgy position of just about scraping into a playoff final (against Pirates?) which they also only scrape to a win, so barely gaining a murky promotion. And Leeds may well feel refreshed from another year in the Championship or find it comfortable enough to do a Newbury and stay down for some time to come. The question would then be who goes up in 2012? Doncaster?

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2011 09:33

Bristol have timed (deliberately or no) their run into form perfectly. I reckon we could be seeing Wuss in the Championship for another season. As for 2011/12 it's our turn to move out of the C isn't it?

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2011 16:30

Come on guys - get real !!!
Read the recent posts about attendances.....
What's going to happen after Kelvin withdraws next year....?
We are not going to have the resources on the field to compete and even if we did, promotion would lead to a desparate year in the premiership.
Like it or not, rugby is a business - what does a potential investor see in our business?
I've been a member for 30 years and experienced the "lows" of Div 5 - park pitches v Basingstoke, North Walsham away, Crispin Cormack missing 5 first half penalties against Exeter, losing at Wakefield and listening to Roland Hobbs' car radio as four other results came in in the one combination to send us down - but I don't think I've been as concerned about our long term future as I am now.
Let's hope I'm completely off the mark.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2011 16:55

nb I didn't say 'move up' did I?

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/03/2011 21:54

Quite possibly the future of the club is under the greatest threat that it has been in many years, the only reassurance is that the amateur sections are protected by the separate CASC set up and can't be taken down by failings in the pro administration.

To be honest I would be more concerned by news that we are continuing down the same path of spending far more than gates and sponsors generate (even if we have a new very wealthy backer) than if there was a decision to dramatically scale things back at the end of this season. A new backer only puts off the inevitable as there is no business reason to be involved. I understand that there have been forays overseas in the hope of securing new 'investment' which all starts to sound a bit desperate.

As for worrying, I lost too much sleep and almost my entire family holiday a couple of summers ago trying to prevent Hollinshead's involvement and there's no way I'll worry to the same extent now.

My only worry is that the loyalty card will be once again played and more of the supporters' money will requested and subsequently chucked away for very little benefit.

Not in the Championship in 2012/13? As long as it is at a viable level then I really don't care.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 09:59

Nottm team off their site -
1-22
Jonny Harris
Jimmy Stevens
Martin Halsall
Calum Green
Craig Hammond
Phil Eggleshaw
Luke Sherriff
Sione Kalamafoni
Tim Usasz
James Arlidge
Cesar Sempere
Junior Sifa
Tim Streather
Andy Savage
David Jackson
bench:
Charlie Davies
Andy Forsyth
Jack Cobden
Stuart Philpott
Ben Buxton
Ian Kench
Alex Shaw

Right! Arlidge at 10 so let's have none of that shuffling the ball sideways and not forwards in Mike Friday's beloved style - just hammer through the 10 channel. He either can't tackle or won't tackle so pinpoint him. And no penalties - he can kick.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 11:44

pre-match build-up here:

[forum.gwladrugby.com]

3rd pint of 'bow coming up...

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 11:56

LW team:

The team to play Nottingham is as follows:

15 Aled Thomas

14 Liam Gibson

13 Hudson Tonga’uiha

12 Simon Whatling

11 Josh Drauniniu

10 Gordon Ross

9 Nick Runciman

1 Shawn Pittman

2 Saul Nelson

3 Lorne Ward

4 Michael Powell

5 Matt Corker

6 Jon Mills (c)

7 Michael Hills

8 Lee Beach

Impact replacements; 16.Michael Holford 17.Will Johnson 18.Jonathan Fisher 19.Martin Purdy 20.Ben Stevenson. 21.Waisea Luveniyali 22.James Lewis


About as strong as it can get but no Errie!

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 12:38

Due to daughter v playground swing injury I'm such watching this on tv and have taken over updates duties from BW.

Mention that Matt Corker is SC player of 2009/10.

Crowd miniscule. Wayne Barnes as TMO.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 12:47

Jackson try in corner for notts on 8 mins. Con missed.

0-5

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:09

Close up of Paddytaf. Is that allowed before the watershed?

Crowd estimated at 700-800 by someone there so not quite as bad as it looks.

Too many handling errors by LW but some good breaks. Notts scrum on top at the moment.

Welsh pen Ross .

3-5 29 mins

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:15

Why doesn't Sky have a red button option to watch without donkey noises?

Runciman try. Conv Ross. 35 mins

10-5

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:22

Notts #10 missed pen

10-5

Josh break but pass to Hills didn't go to hand.

Welsh attacking scrum on line on 40th min. Pen, Welsh going for scrum again. Lost control of ball.

H/t 10-5

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:45

Mills over but goes to TMO. Try awarded. Ross conv.

17 - 5

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:49

Whatling try. Ross conv

24-5

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:51

Hills try, Ross conv

31-5

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 13:59

Fisher on for Mills

Johnson & Purdy on for Ward and Powell

Hudson try. Ross conv. 38 5 62 mins

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 14:06

Both centres replaced by LW.

Notts Pen Try & conv

38-12 67 mins.

stevenson on for runciman

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 14:08

Wes try, Ross conv

45-12 69 mins

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 14:13

Notts try. Conv

45-19 75 mins

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 14:16

Ross pen

48-19

Mills is MotM

2 mins left

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 14:19

TMO decision allows try for Notts.

48-26

Final score

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 14:51

Definitely more people than expected here. Better than expected, although disappointing that we let them have the bonus.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 16:22

Crowd 720

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: davidcaldwell (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 18:09

An enjoyable afternoon...was suprised not to see the comedy headlights on the Nottingham fans again but I suppose for a lot of the game they would have been happier not to be able to see! (sorry couldnt resist)

I thought the atmosphere was far better than the crowd numbers would suggest...the cheerleader on the PA helped I'm sure!

On the crowd front I can easily understand why numbers have dwindled...since showing that the team were good at the beginning of the season and racking up some good league points in the early months we've seen nothing like a first choice 15 since. The cup turned into a shambles and there certainly hasn't been league rugby anything like the standard we saw today.

If promotion is our ambition (and who really knows what the board are aiming for/have applied for etc..) then I understand preserving the squad for the crucial play off period.

However if we played the sort of Rugby we played today every week I'm sure numbers would swell significantly, there would be more money in the coffers and the situation would look rosier....promotion or no promotion!

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 12/03/2011 21:18

Wasn't looking forward to the potential atmosphere after reviews of the Nottm supporters on earlier posts. However after a few boring donkey noises early on the LWRFC performance quietened them down. Fair play to them though when we went over for our 6th (or was it 7th?) try they broke into a chorus of "It's all gone quiet over here..."

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2011 03:42

720 - shocking! Hang your heads in shame, truants.

And serves you right for missing a running match with several sequences of passes then went beyond a dozen.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2011 10:10

Blimey! How many did you expect with an International in Cardiff, a 12.35 start, no car parking, the game on tv....720 was more than I anticipated.

Re: London Welsh v Nottingham - Play-Off Preview
Posted by: londonbound (IP Logged)
Date: 14/03/2011 12:32

Having, watched the match back on TV; think the die hards that went to Wales missed out. A good performance and some good rugby played.

As an idea next time we get 2,500 people here for a charity game, lets give them a free ticket to the next home game, no revenue but the food and bar should benefit. Even if 700 come they would all be welcome and the rest of us at the game wouldn't be so lonely!


LB

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