London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
By Mark W-J
February 1 2012
Following Sunday’s fixtures we now know which teams will be in the promotion play-offs, and which four will be fighting to avoid relegation. Leaders Bristol have confirmed a top four finish and if results go their way this weekend they could guarantee top spot in the league table with two rounds still to play, while London Welsh’s quest for a top four place looks set to go to the final weekend.
This Saturday we entertain 7th-placed Doncaster at ODP (kick-off 2pm). The Knights have been solidly mid-table since late September, following defeats in the opening two rounds to Bristol and Pirates, the teams who currently occupy the top two places in the table, and while they’ve since established themselves in the top eight they’ve never really threatened to break into the top four. They beat Esher last weekend and their home wins over Bedford and Pirates suggest that they’re a match for the best teams in the league in their day, yet in December they lost at both Plymouth and Moseley either side of a 25-20 win at London Scottish. We won 21-10 at Castle Park in November thanks to second-half tries from Simon Whatling and Edd Thrower, Donny’s points including the first of four penalty tries that Welsh have conceded this season, while we also received three yellow cards and finished the game with two props in the bin.
Last season Welsh completed the first home-and-away double in the series since Doncaster won promotion to level two in 2005. The first meeting was a 27-27 draw at ODP, with Welsh claiming a try-bonus courtesy of Tim Holgate’s last-minute touchdown, although Lee Cholewa was unable to add the conversion which would have won the game, while in the corresponding fixture two seasons ago, despite having dispatched Bedford and the Pirates in our last two home games, we were comfortably beaten 20-9 as the wheels started to fall off the Saudex bandwagon. Most of the damage on the field that afternoon was inflicted by Matt Williams, who moved to Bristol in the summer, although a fairly muscular centre pairing of Bevon Armitage and Hudson Tonga’uiha created havoc in the home defence which the young winger was quick to exploit.
This has been an up-and-down season for Doncaster, with last Saturday’s win at Esher being only the second time that they’ve recorded back-to-back victories. They did manage four in a row in the early autumn, although that run of fixtures included home games against Moseley, London Scottish and Plymouth Albion, who have managed only three away wins between them all season - including, of course, Moseley’s win at ODP on New Year’s Eve. Their top scorer is Irish full-back David McIlwaine, who joined from Ulster in the summer, with 112, although former Pirates centre/ flanker Tom Luke has chipped-in with a further 67 points, while leading try-scorer is another summer signing from Ireland, ex-Leinster winger Michael Keating, with nine. Scottish winger/ full-back Dougie Flockhart scored 26 points against his former club last weekend, while erstwhile London Welsh full-back/ fly-half Mike Whitehead also returned to action after three months out; in his absence 39 year-old coach Brett Davey had to name himself on the bench for the game at London Scottish in December - am I getting older, or are the coaches getting younger?
Davey explained on the club’s website that he’s aiming to “play attractive rugby in a non-English style which is forwards-led, but where the forwards are capable of attacking all over the park.” This should be of interest to the London Welsh defensive masterminds, as of the 32 tries we’ve conceded this season only half have been scored by the opposing backs, the lowest proportion in the division, with 12 attributed directly to the forwards and four penalty tries awarded at scrums. The Pirates fans were very impressed with their team’s ability to snuff-out our attacking threat at source - many believed that it was their team’s best all-round performance of the season - but there’s a concern amongst the Welsh support that we’re far too predictable in the way that we build our attack in a series of pre-ordained plays, a fact possibly borne out by the drop-off in try scoring as the season has progressed and opposition coaches have become wise to our methods.
With just three rounds of fixtures left in the regular season (Doncaster have a rearranged game at Nottingham following a last-minute postponement a fortnight ago) it’s still all to play for at both ends of the table. Esher entertain both London Scottish and Plymouth Albion in their quest for victories; each win equates to one point carried-forward to the play-offs, so they’re currently scheduled to start at least four points adrift of the other three clubs in Pool C. Pirates still have to face Bristol and Rotherham, while Bedford’s last three games are all against clubs in the bottom half; after Saturday’s game we face a short journey round the corner to face London Scottish before finishing at home to in-form Leeds. The top eight and bottom four may be clear-cut, but the leagues within the league are as exciting as ever.
A final thought goes to Doncaster scrum-half Lee Audis who, as of the last reports two weeks ago had yet to regain consciousness following a car crash in late-November. We complain about the performances on the pitch and the nature in which our club is being run, but news like this puts our problems into perspective.
London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/02/2012 23:59
The Chippenham RFC site says of Lee (now located in the Frenchay area of Bristol):
"Lee is making small strides in his recovery. He is now more conscious and giving the beady eye to his visitors. It's still at the early stages and lots more small steps to come but his doctors are quite pleased. Knowing Lee I'm sure he's more comfortable with no so many northern accents around him." This is more promising. Our thoughts should be with him. his family and friends. Having been in an Intensive Care ward for head injuries and people in comas, though I was not there for either reason, I know how good the care staff can be.
"Lee is making small strides in his recovery. He is now more conscious and giving the beady eye to his visitors. It's still at the early stages and lots more small steps to come but his doctors are quite pleased. Knowing Lee I'm sure he's more comfortable with no so many northern accents around him." This is more promising. Our thoughts should be with him. his family and friends. Having been in an Intensive Care ward for head injuries and people in comas, though I was not there for either reason, I know how good the care staff can be.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Dafydd (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 11:25
Anyone know if there is any chance that this might be called off due to frozen pitch?
If so when do they inspect pitch given Doncaster have a long way to travel?
Any news welcome.
If so when do they inspect pitch given Doncaster have a long way to travel?
Any news welcome.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 11:31
Official site says pitch inspection at 4pm today.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 11:46
According to the official LW website there will be a pitch inspection today at 4pm. That doesn't IMO mean it won't still be called off tomorrow. Hope that it is played but what is of paramount importance is player safety. PADDYTAF. 
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 11:46
From offy site:
London Welsh: 15. Edd Thrower, 14. Will Hurell, 13. Paul Mackey, 12. Seb Jewell, 11. Ashley Smith, 10. Alex Davies, 9. Rob Lewis, 1. Shawn Pittman*, 2. Dan George, 3. Billy Moss, 4. Mike Powell, 5. Matt Corker 6. Lee Beach, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Mike Denbee.
Replacements: 16. Tom French, 17. Vili Ma’asi*, 18. Adam Brown, 19. Ben Russell, 20. Jack Moates, 21. Gordon Ross*, 22. Simon Whatling.
London Welsh: 15. Edd Thrower, 14. Will Hurell, 13. Paul Mackey, 12. Seb Jewell, 11. Ashley Smith, 10. Alex Davies, 9. Rob Lewis, 1. Shawn Pittman*, 2. Dan George, 3. Billy Moss, 4. Mike Powell, 5. Matt Corker 6. Lee Beach, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Mike Denbee.
Replacements: 16. Tom French, 17. Vili Ma’asi*, 18. Adam Brown, 19. Ben Russell, 20. Jack Moates, 21. Gordon Ross*, 22. Simon Whatling.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 11:52
as a localish resident I think its unlikely to go ahead as the forecast is for more frost tonight and its hardly above freezing now ( never mind the wind chill effect )
May depend on how much grass cover has appeared in the last couple of milder weeks ??
May depend on how much grass cover has appeared in the last couple of milder weeks ??
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 11:53
Bristol, Rotherham and Bedford have already called off their home fixtures this weekend.
The 4 o/c inspection must be to meet requirement to make an assessment before the Doncaster team set out.
The 4 o/c inspection must be to meet requirement to make an assessment before the Doncaster team set out.
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Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 12:25
Captain = Michael Hills or ?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 13:46
Doncaster team (just in case the match goes ahead!):
Doncaster Knights
15 Dougie Flockhart 14 Ben Toft 13 Oli Goss 12 Fred Burdon
11 Michael Keating 10 Mike Whitehead 9 Chris Hallam
1 Tom Davies 2 Jack Yeandle 3 Alex Brown 4 Glen Kenworthy
5 Dominic Parsons 6 Chris Planchant 7 Zack Farivarz 8 Michael Noone
Replacements
16 Royce Burke-Flynn 17 Steve Boden 18 Dan Smith 19 Adam Kettle 20 Latu Makaafi 21 Michael Heaney 22 Gareth Quinn-McDonogh
Doncaster Knights
15 Dougie Flockhart 14 Ben Toft 13 Oli Goss 12 Fred Burdon
11 Michael Keating 10 Mike Whitehead 9 Chris Hallam
1 Tom Davies 2 Jack Yeandle 3 Alex Brown 4 Glen Kenworthy
5 Dominic Parsons 6 Chris Planchant 7 Zack Farivarz 8 Michael Noone
Replacements
16 Royce Burke-Flynn 17 Steve Boden 18 Dan Smith 19 Adam Kettle 20 Latu Makaafi 21 Michael Heaney 22 Gareth Quinn-McDonogh
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 15:15
With 45 minutes to go until the pitch inspection the other five Championship matches - including Esher v London Scottish - have all been postponed.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 16:17
After inspection match is ON.
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Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 16:44
I could be wrong but IMO this game will be called off tomorrow. The temperature tonight is going to be well below freezing and will not rise above 2 degrees tomorrow.
We have had this situation in the past whereby some official has deemed the pitch safe to play only for the away team travelling down to ODP and then being told sorry the game is off.
If all of the other games have been postponed then there must be a real chance that the likely hood of any of those pitches being safe to play rugby being less than nil.
I really do hope this game is played. However, if i was coming from Doncaster and was then told tomorrow the game was off i would be nothing short of being bl**dy annoyed. Let's hope this official who ever he is does know what he is talking about. PADDYTAF.
We have had this situation in the past whereby some official has deemed the pitch safe to play only for the away team travelling down to ODP and then being told sorry the game is off.
If all of the other games have been postponed then there must be a real chance that the likely hood of any of those pitches being safe to play rugby being less than nil.
I really do hope this game is played. However, if i was coming from Doncaster and was then told tomorrow the game was off i would be nothing short of being bl**dy annoyed. Let's hope this official who ever he is does know what he is talking about. PADDYTAF.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Wilbers (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 16:57
Donny had the same at Nottingham a few weeks back. Told by an RFU Official the pitch was probably going to be okay but on match day it clearly wasnt. I was in Richmond at lunchtime and the ground in the area I walked (no more than half a mile from ODP) was frozen hard. Odds must be no game. But with Donny already scheduled to play their delayed game at Notts next weekend, you can see why LW would want to try and get it to happen this.
If they make Donny travel, who picks up Donny costs if the game is then off?
If they make Donny travel, who picks up Donny costs if the game is then off?
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Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 17:10
Quote:Wilbers
Donny had the same at Nottingham a few weeks back. Told by an RFU Official the pitch was probably going to be okay but on match day it clearly wasnt. I was in Richmond at lunchtime and the ground in the area I walked (no more than half a mile from ODP) was frozen hard. Odds must be no game. But with Donny already scheduled to play their delayed game at Notts next weekend, you can see why LW would want to try and get it to happen this.
If they make Donny travel, who picks up Donny costs if the game is then off?
Donny are responsible for their costs as it looks as if LW have followed the rules by getting the pitch inspected before they travel. A ref can make a decision any time until 11am tomorrow after which the captains decide.
Do wonder what the pitch was like at 2pm today as that's probably a better guide to the likely conditions at ko time tomorrow.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 17:58
Wilbers If LONDON WELSH are responsible for the appointment of the RFU official inspecting the pitch and he deems it playable then revokes his decision the following day then either LONDON WELSH or the RFU should foot the bill for Donnys travelling expenses. This should not be born by Doncaster, but my bet is you will have to pay which is completely wrong. PADDYTAF. 
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 18:01
From the club office:
London Welsh followed the pitch inspection procedure required by the RFU.
The pitch was inspected at 4pm and was passed playable by an RFU referee.
The referee is required to take into account the condition of the pitch when the inspection takes place, visiting teams travel plan and also the predicted weather forecast
Unless there is a big deterioration in the weather the game should go ahead.
London Welsh followed the pitch inspection procedure required by the RFU.
The pitch was inspected at 4pm and was passed playable by an RFU referee.
The referee is required to take into account the condition of the pitch when the inspection takes place, visiting teams travel plan and also the predicted weather forecast
Unless there is a big deterioration in the weather the game should go ahead.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Wilbers (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 18:21
So is the pitch at ODP covered given the heavy frost forecast for tonight, and snow for later tomorrow?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 18:48
My instinct for what it is worth, living in Acton W3, is that by kick-off several hours of nice sunshine should have made the top level playable. The snow will not come until late afternoon, I hope, and the journey back to Donny might not be fun (especially if nursing a defeat) but the match could be played in a chilly but possibly not biting cold. Wind would make it very unpleasant. The real question is whether below the immediate surface the ground is rock hard due to days of penetrating frost. I don't think there has been, but the referee must surely not be taking risks with player safety.
Lee Audis, Doncaster's injured scrum-half
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 18:55
On Sunday Feb 26th there is a fundraising game at "The Rec" Bath in aid of Lee Audis.
The game is billed as a Lee Audis All Stars v Bath Rugby All Stars K/O 1.00pm anyone interested the post code for the Rec is BA2 7AY.
The game is billed as a Lee Audis All Stars v Bath Rugby All Stars K/O 1.00pm anyone interested the post code for the Rec is BA2 7AY.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/02/2012 19:45
Over the years I've seen LW criticised for making decisions too early, too late and also when we had the most torrential downpour half hour before ko turning the pitch from very playable into a pond! It's the risk of a winter sport and it is not only the away team that loses money from a postponement.
Recently Doncaster pulled out of their away game at Nottingham game minutes before ko due to icy patches in the deadball area (as they are fully entitled to do according to the rules). My main sympathies are always for the away supporters that either spend time travelling or have wasted train tickets/hotel costs etc when a game is postponed.
The trouble is we always remember the games that are called off and not the ones that go ahead against the odds when there were pre-match doubts about the pitch conditions!
Pitch covers are not always the answer. Esher, Bedford, Rotherham (and possibly others) all had their pitches covered this week and all failed inspections by a referee.
Finally, some futher clarification from the club office:
On pitch conditions -
The home club are required to do all they can to make the pitch playable.
The home club are not involved in anyway with in decision making process as to whether the pitch is playable or not.
On the match day -
If the match referee feels on when he arrives at the ground that there may be some doubt about the condition of the pitch the team captains are required to decide whether it is playable.
If the captains can not come to an agreement the ref will decide.
Recently Doncaster pulled out of their away game at Nottingham game minutes before ko due to icy patches in the deadball area (as they are fully entitled to do according to the rules). My main sympathies are always for the away supporters that either spend time travelling or have wasted train tickets/hotel costs etc when a game is postponed.
The trouble is we always remember the games that are called off and not the ones that go ahead against the odds when there were pre-match doubts about the pitch conditions!
Pitch covers are not always the answer. Esher, Bedford, Rotherham (and possibly others) all had their pitches covered this week and all failed inspections by a referee.
Finally, some futher clarification from the club office:
On pitch conditions -
The home club are required to do all they can to make the pitch playable.
The home club are not involved in anyway with in decision making process as to whether the pitch is playable or not.
On the match day -
If the match referee feels on when he arrives at the ground that there may be some doubt about the condition of the pitch the team captains are required to decide whether it is playable.
If the captains can not come to an agreement the ref will decide.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: TC08 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 06:12
Hope it does go ahead, but it was -6 in Esher at 4am and only -4.5 at Heathrow an hour later.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 09:17
[www.accuweather.com]
Interestingly, this site (which gives a more optimistic forecast for W3 barely 4 miles away by the crow) suggests cloud cover now @20% but I am only seeing clear blue sky right now where I am, so if the weak sun can just warm the grass, all to the good, but if cloud cover builds by 11 am that goes out of the window and kick off will be at or about zero or worse. Roads back to Doncaster could be seriously blizzardly, and I'm not sure even trains back won't be held up. I'm looking forward to lunch in the Pagoda room but have doubts any match will follow - though as Nigel says we have often been surprised.
Interestingly, this site (which gives a more optimistic forecast for W3 barely 4 miles away by the crow) suggests cloud cover now @20% but I am only seeing clear blue sky right now where I am, so if the weak sun can just warm the grass, all to the good, but if cloud cover builds by 11 am that goes out of the window and kick off will be at or about zero or worse. Roads back to Doncaster could be seriously blizzardly, and I'm not sure even trains back won't be held up. I'm looking forward to lunch in the Pagoda room but have doubts any match will follow - though as Nigel says we have often been surprised.
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Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 10:39
Apparently the two Captains will decide sometime today, but when? I telephoned the main office but they only have an answer phone. As many of us have to come from a long distance including our friends from Doncaster surely the decision should have been made earlier or am i out of order saying this!! PADDYTAF.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 12:33
Quote:paddytaf
Apparently the two Captains will decide sometime today, but when? I telephoned the main office but they only have an answer phone. As many of us have to come from a long distance including our friends from Doncaster surely the decision should have been made earlier or am i out of order saying this!! PADDYTAF.
You're wrong. Read the thread again for the bits about the decision process. The home club have no say in the matter.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 12:54
I telephoned the club bar at 10.20 and was told that the pitch was frozen. I was further told that the two Captains will decide today if the game can still go ahead.
Although a decision was made yesterday it would have been nice to know if the game was still definitely on. Just leaving the webpage as game on doesn't confirm the situation if you have to leave at least 2 hours before k/o.
How difficult would it have been to confirm this morning that nothing had changed and please still turn up. I won't be at the game today. PADDYTAF.
Although a decision was made yesterday it would have been nice to know if the game was still definitely on. Just leaving the webpage as game on doesn't confirm the situation if you have to leave at least 2 hours before k/o.
How difficult would it have been to confirm this morning that nothing had changed and please still turn up. I won't be at the game today. PADDYTAF.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Wilbers (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 12:58
Is anybody at the ground yet? I assume the teams are by now.
I have a 45 minute drive and do not want to do it for nothing.
What is the status please, anybody?
I have a 45 minute drive and do not want to do it for nothing.
What is the status please, anybody?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 13:08
Try ringing 02089402368 main number or 02089401604 main bar PADDYTAF.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Blackheath Welsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 13:16
GAME IS OFF!
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 13:26
I've just heard that the game is off. Is this correct? PADDYTAF.
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Posted by: londonbound (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 13:43
Inept, Mangement, safe journey home loyal Donny supporters!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Bee Quin (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 13:44
Yep! Game off! I arrived to see Donny players leaving at half 1.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Wilbers (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 13:50
Glad I didn't go now. Couldn't get through to LW on either number.
THIS IS TOTALLY INEPT MANAGEMENT BY WELSH.
As I posted yesterday afternoon on here from Richmond, the game could be called off then with hard ground and a known sub zero forecast. Donny team and supporters busload made expensive pointless trip South and will no doubt have a tricky journey home.
PROPER LW APOLOGY CALLED FOR AND THE DONNY EXPENSES SHOULD BE COVERED. TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT.
THIS IS TOTALLY INEPT MANAGEMENT BY WELSH.
As I posted yesterday afternoon on here from Richmond, the game could be called off then with hard ground and a known sub zero forecast. Donny team and supporters busload made expensive pointless trip South and will no doubt have a tricky journey home.
PROPER LW APOLOGY CALLED FOR AND THE DONNY EXPENSES SHOULD BE COVERED. TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT.
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Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 14:06
Ref yesterday said playable. As did the officials today. LW wanted to play. Need two teams wanting to play for a game to take place though.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 14:06
As i said in one of my posts yeserday although the game was deemed playable which should not have been said in the first place i thought that today the game would be called off. Although i believe it was Doncaster who refused to play. That being said mind it should have been postponed yesterday. This will only alienate all Doncaster Supporters against LONDON WELSH PADDYTAF.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: earlsfieldwelsh (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 14:11
I can't speak for which team might not have wanted to play - but surely yesterday's decision saying game on was made by an RFU ref, not Welsh? We end up looking like fools when it wasn't even our decision!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 14:20
If one team thought the conditions were not fit to play rugby and bearing in mind other games in the area were called off yesterday then surely the most sensible decision should have been to postpone the game yesterday. PADDYTAF.
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Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 14:30
I don't believe it. According to the official website todays referee deemed the pitch not safe to scrummage. This is so embarrassing and would confirm without any doubt that the referee yesterday did get it wrong. PADDYTAF. I now have the misfortune of having to watch the France v Italy game with the worst commentator in the history of rugby Eddie (no nothing about rugby) Butler.
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 19:18
The timeline for the decisions yesterday and today:
Friday 3rd Feb
4pm An RFU appointed Ref declared pitch fit
Saturday 4th Feb
11.30am Match Ref with Assistant Ref declared pitch fit
1.00pm London Welsh Coach + captain informed Ref that they were happy to play
1.10pm Doncaster Coach informs ref they don't want to play
1.15pm Ref takes another look at the pitch
1.20pm Ref says game is postponed as pitch is unfit for scrummaging.
Friday 3rd Feb
4pm An RFU appointed Ref declared pitch fit
Saturday 4th Feb
11.30am Match Ref with Assistant Ref declared pitch fit
1.00pm London Welsh Coach + captain informed Ref that they were happy to play
1.10pm Doncaster Coach informs ref they don't want to play
1.15pm Ref takes another look at the pitch
1.20pm Ref says game is postponed as pitch is unfit for scrummaging.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 20:25
Sadly, while LW have done everything by the book, the decision of the RFU-appointed official at 4pm yesterday has left us looking like a bunch of Charlies. How he ever declared the pitch playable will forever mystify everyone who lives within 60 miles of Richmond. The fact that the game at Esher and the race meeting at Sandown were both postponed 24 hours in advance yet the pitch at ODP was deemed fit should surely have been questioned by someone at Twickenham. It's an embarrassment for the club, but unusually it's not one of our own making.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/02/2012 21:50
The Doncaster coach (bus) had not arrived as at 12.15. Had they been there a bit longer they might have gone on the pitch and given it more of a try out and become more comfortable with it. In racing terms, I would have classed it Firm rather than Good to Firm, but not Firm to Hard. It was rather like a late summer pitch before the first autumn rains with a soft but thin cover of turf.
The ref tried out a scrum and thought again about forward safety in the light of Donny reluctance to play. And decided on the balance to call it off. The club has absolutely nothing to be blamed for, and I cannot see what other messages the club could have put out except "Game on, but keeping checking the website."
Nice lunch upstairs in the club house, but that's little compensation for no play. Rematch will possibly be midweek at a ground other than ours, so we lose out in more ways than this. But the crowd today would have been pitiful had the match proceeded given the uncertainty and cold, and slightly lacking in atmosphere, so perhaps there is some benefit from all this.
The ref tried out a scrum and thought again about forward safety in the light of Donny reluctance to play. And decided on the balance to call it off. The club has absolutely nothing to be blamed for, and I cannot see what other messages the club could have put out except "Game on, but keeping checking the website."
Nice lunch upstairs in the club house, but that's little compensation for no play. Rematch will possibly be midweek at a ground other than ours, so we lose out in more ways than this. But the crowd today would have been pitiful had the match proceeded given the uncertainty and cold, and slightly lacking in atmosphere, so perhaps there is some benefit from all this.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 03:18
I cannot believe the amount of people on here who are blaming London Welsh. Shame on you for jumping to conclusions.
We have done NOTHING to be embarrassed about. There should be no 'apology' forthcoming.
Procedures were followed by LW. It was up to Doncaster if they wanted to play the match. They, like at Rotherham, decided not to play. I'm not blaming them but their criteria for determining whether a pitch is playable appears to be different to that of LW and Roth and several match officials.
Also, wasn't there a match which went ahead last year when all others in the area didn't?
I despair. I'm glad I wasn't able to make it today as if I had, some of you would have been feeling the sharp side of my tongue.
We have done NOTHING to be embarrassed about. There should be no 'apology' forthcoming.
Procedures were followed by LW. It was up to Doncaster if they wanted to play the match. They, like at Rotherham, decided not to play. I'm not blaming them but their criteria for determining whether a pitch is playable appears to be different to that of LW and Roth and several match officials.
Also, wasn't there a match which went ahead last year when all others in the area didn't?
I despair. I'm glad I wasn't able to make it today as if I had, some of you would have been feeling the sharp side of my tongue.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Dockman (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 09:23
Well said Dottigirl - and I was one of those who made the journey to the club. After nld's superb summary I don't see how anyone can blame the club for what happened.
Incidentally, there was talk of the match being rescheduled for this coming Saturday when we don't have a game. Any news on that?
Incidentally, there was talk of the match being rescheduled for this coming Saturday when we don't have a game. Any news on that?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 09:30
Won't happen, I gather as Doncaster need that day for their rescheduled Nottingham match. Which leaves using a mid week date and thus somewhere other than ODP with floodlights. In this cold snap it could be on the last possible night.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 10:23
I was completely wrong with my assessment of the situation and can only say sorry. I was reliably informed last night that LONDON WELSH had done everyting within their power to make this game go ahead. I was looking at the weather and was wrong to assume that this game could not be played yesterday. Once again i sincerely apologize for my misjudgement of the situation PADDYTAF.
PADDYTAF. Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 11:39
Paddytaf criticising an ex Wales captain for knowing nothing about rugby?
Pot, kettle anyone ??
Pot, kettle anyone ??
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 12:18
The gang of Welsh haters on Rugby Network have gone bananas over this ! Nothing like ignoring the facts in favour of a bit of rabid Taff bashing ......
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: APPLETHUG (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 12:19
Just for clarity and to stop everyone guessing the Championship protocol for calling off games is quite straightforward.
On match day < 3 hours befor kick off the captains decide if they want to proceed. If they both say yes the ref will commence the game although he has the option to abandon at any time once kicked off.
If both say no .......he will not interfere with the decision.
If one says yes and one says no then the ref has to either say its playable or its not. The later is easy...game off however if he says it is playable then the team that dont want to play can still refuse but then its referred back to the RFU on Monday morning who may award the game to the team who wanted to play.The championship has a different protocol to the Premiership
The ref could not make any decision after 11.00am until both captains had made theirs.Either way he will be unpopular with one team or the other.......just the same as when he makes any decision in a match !!!
On match day < 3 hours befor kick off the captains decide if they want to proceed. If they both say yes the ref will commence the game although he has the option to abandon at any time once kicked off.
If both say no .......he will not interfere with the decision.
If one says yes and one says no then the ref has to either say its playable or its not. The later is easy...game off however if he says it is playable then the team that dont want to play can still refuse but then its referred back to the RFU on Monday morning who may award the game to the team who wanted to play.The championship has a different protocol to the Premiership
The ref could not make any decision after 11.00am until both captains had made theirs.Either way he will be unpopular with one team or the other.......just the same as when he makes any decision in a match !!!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: looneytunes (IP Logged)
Date: 05/02/2012 19:56
the parks pitches in brentford were in good condition on friday afternoon although felt the game should of been called off saturday morning.As for calling the game off on friday because esher did its not exactly the same area when I know its a different code but the london drongos game still went ahead at the stoop.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 12:28
We have just received confirmation from the RFU Championship Manager
that all the matches postponed over last weekend must be played this coming weekend.
Therefore the game against Doncaster Knights will be played at Old Deer Park on SUNDAY 12th FEBRUARY KICK OFF 2.00pm.
that all the matches postponed over last weekend must be played this coming weekend.
Therefore the game against Doncaster Knights will be played at Old Deer Park on SUNDAY 12th FEBRUARY KICK OFF 2.00pm.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 13:01
Sounds like some rare commonsense and quick decision making by the RFU. I'm sure Nottingham will be happy as if gives them the bigger of their two postponed games (at least in terms of crowd size) for the Sunday fixture.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 13:48
Let's hope the weather gets warmer for our St.Valentine Day's Massacre (of the oppo)
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 13:57
Great timing, NOT! The kick-off of Wales v Scotland is at 3 p.m. so the two matches overlap. No chance of a 1.00 p.m. kick-off is there? That way we could have as good a home crowd, what with London Scottish down the road, as for an England v Wales game.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 15:16
From Nottingham's website:
"Following the postponement of every fixture in the RFU Championship at the weekend, the entire round of action has been rearranged for this week with Nottingham Rugby now scheduled to meet Leeds at Meadow Lane on Sunday, February 12 (3pm kick off).
For the Green and White this means that the rescheduled Leeds Carnegie game will replace Nottingham’s other weather affected match against Doncaster. The Round 18 Knights game will now be postponed until Wednesday, February 15 (7.45pm kick-off).
One of the major factors behind this decision is that London Welsh doesn’t have floodlights and by moving the Nottingham versus Doncaster game prevents a mid-week afternoon game, which will only disadvantage both sets of supporters and hurt the host club significantly.
Commenting on the decision Nottingham Rugby chief executive Simon Beatham said: “Nobody wants to have to play a game midweek. Having it played in the middle of the day means that fans just can’t get there.
"We were consulted on the plan, we considered it from all sides and from our fans perspective we still have the matches being played on the same dates at the same time. Doncaster contacted us and from their fans’ perspective, who bearing in mind had made the journey to Nottingham and London Welsh for the original games, they felt it gave them the opportunity to see both rescheduled games and so this was their preferred option and we supported this.”
Purchased tickets can be used at the respective rescheduled fixture and refunds can be claimed up to 5pm on the last working day before the match. Please contact the office on 0115 9070070 for further details."
Four clubs and the RFU working together!
"Following the postponement of every fixture in the RFU Championship at the weekend, the entire round of action has been rearranged for this week with Nottingham Rugby now scheduled to meet Leeds at Meadow Lane on Sunday, February 12 (3pm kick off).
For the Green and White this means that the rescheduled Leeds Carnegie game will replace Nottingham’s other weather affected match against Doncaster. The Round 18 Knights game will now be postponed until Wednesday, February 15 (7.45pm kick-off).
One of the major factors behind this decision is that London Welsh doesn’t have floodlights and by moving the Nottingham versus Doncaster game prevents a mid-week afternoon game, which will only disadvantage both sets of supporters and hurt the host club significantly.
Commenting on the decision Nottingham Rugby chief executive Simon Beatham said: “Nobody wants to have to play a game midweek. Having it played in the middle of the day means that fans just can’t get there.
"We were consulted on the plan, we considered it from all sides and from our fans perspective we still have the matches being played on the same dates at the same time. Doncaster contacted us and from their fans’ perspective, who bearing in mind had made the journey to Nottingham and London Welsh for the original games, they felt it gave them the opportunity to see both rescheduled games and so this was their preferred option and we supported this.”
Purchased tickets can be used at the respective rescheduled fixture and refunds can be claimed up to 5pm on the last working day before the match. Please contact the office on 0115 9070070 for further details."
Four clubs and the RFU working together!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 15:53
Silly question but for those who gave in the voucher from their membership book, how do we waltz in free (apart from using charm, brute force, hedge-hopping, scaling the ha-ha etc.)?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 16:14
Quote:nld
Four clubs and the RFU working together!
Indeed and it's good to see. Just a great shame, as DanFW3 pointed out that we havent opted to move the game to a 1300 kick off, as 1400 is not set in stone.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 06/02/2012 23:04
Would Doncaster agree to the earlier time? I'd have thought it was better for their supporters to get back at a reasonable time.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: davidcaldwell (IP Logged)
Date: 07/02/2012 08:22
Shock!! By the looks of the end of this thread it almost looks like common sense at work!
There may be hope yet!!
There may be hope yet!!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Pink P (IP Logged)
Date: 07/02/2012 09:41
Would it not have been a more pragmatic decision to play the game 24 hrs earlier?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/02/2012 12:31
It's curious there was time for DONCASTER to sound their supporters which match they wanted played this weekend, but not for WELSH to point out the clash with a WALES international in what may be a WALES grand slam year! And why not play on the Saturday with a 2pm kick off?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Pink P (IP Logged)
Date: 07/02/2012 15:09
The Doncater website lists the re-arranged game as being played on Saturday at ODP K.O.2.00
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 07/02/2012 16:24
Official site confirms SATURDAY 2PM
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 07/02/2012 19:06
Thank **** for that, common sense prevails. Well done to the club.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2012 16:53
Oh dear, the forecast for Saturday at 2pm is -4degrees. Here we go again! Perhaps ODP will acquire a reputation as a restaurant and bar with a view of an empty rugby pitch attached. Soon the Doncaster team coach driver will know his way here blindfold, which should make the M1 even less safe than it already is.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2012 17:08
Oops, that was the 2am forecast. But given the temperature is still minus degrees at 9am or later, and that forecast for 2pm is only +2degrees (feeling like +4degrees), I have to wonder how hard the ground will be:
[www.accuweather.com]
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[www.accuweather.com]
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 08/02/2012 17:11
This is in my mind a clear conspiracy that those dastardly Welsh people are cooking up to disadvatage those poor Doncaster folk who being from "Up North" cant afford to keep trekking down to wealthy leafy R upon T for aborted games of rugger. The RFU really should set up a working party to investigate whats going on !!!!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Wilbers (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2012 10:11
with snow and -5C forecast tonight/tomorrow there cannot be a snowballs chance in hell of the game being on.
An early decision this week, please.
An early decision this week, please.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2012 10:59
Quote:Wilbers
with snow and -5C forecast tonight/tomorrow there cannot be a snowballs chance in hell of the game being on.
An early decision this week, please.
I'm sure everyone wants the earliest correct decision possible but it is still down to the ref that carries out the pitch inspection. Local BBC forecast wasn't as bad as they had been predicting so you never know....
You could always send your views on pitch inspections to 'enquiries@therfu.com' !
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 09/02/2012 17:08
DanFW3's postings are always interesting to read with a touch of humour. Even when he makes a small mistake. Unlike me who often makes huge mistakes. Keep them coming DanFW3. 
PADDYTAF.
PADDYTAF.Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 09:17
Further snowfall overnight and low temperatures means that there will be a pitch inspection at 2.30 pm today.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Dockman (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 09:24
I suppose it's too obvious to suggest that a Doncaster rep should attend it?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 12:41
15. Seb Jewell, 14. Will Hurrell, 13. James Lewis, 12. Hudson Tonga’uiha*, 11. Joe Ajuwa, 10. Gordon Ross* ©, 9. Jack Moates, 1. Tom French, 2. Saul Nelson, 3. Greg Bateman, 4. Adam Brown, 5. Martin Purdy, 6. Ben Russell, 7. Lee Beach, 8. Ed Jackson.
Replacements: 16. Villi Ma’asi*, 17. Billy Moss, 18. Shawn Pittman*, 19. Mike Powell, 20. Michael Hills, 21. Rob Lewis, 22. Alex Davies.
Not as strong as the team we picked for last Saturday, IMHO.
Replacements: 16. Villi Ma’asi*, 17. Billy Moss, 18. Shawn Pittman*, 19. Mike Powell, 20. Michael Hills, 21. Rob Lewis, 22. Alex Davies.
Not as strong as the team we picked for last Saturday, IMHO.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 13:50
I can accept the need for squad rotation but why make changes when we didn't play last Saturday and are scheduled to meet the same opponents?
Davies at 10 and Thrower at 15 promised a different style of attack to one we would get from the above, yet within a week (without it even being tried) we go back to the more usual line-up.
Baffled.
Davies at 10 and Thrower at 15 promised a different style of attack to one we would get from the above, yet within a week (without it even being tried) we go back to the more usual line-up.
Baffled.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: TC08 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 13:54
Maybe Andy Robinson has asked Lyn to give Gordon a runout at 10!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 14:39
I 100% agree with nld. I have just seen the team to play Donny weather permittng and was going to post a similar reply as nld. An equally confused and 
baffled PADDYTAF. ?????
confused and baffled PADDYTAF. ?????Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 14:56
GAME OFF
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 14:57
Wow - the Doncaster captain must have come down early to call that off
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 15:38
If our friends from Doncaster are looking for something to do this weekend then I am pleased to help by passing on today's piece of topical trivia from Countdown:
[www.model-railways-live.co.uk]
No comments please Mark W-J!
[www.model-railways-live.co.uk]
No comments please Mark W-J!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 10/02/2012 22:28
According to their website, Doncaster have told the RFU that they are prepared to have this game rescheduled for Tues 21st Feb. Otherwise it would have to be the following week as they play Nottingham this Weds, Rotherham on Saturday (on Sky) and Bristol on Fri 24th.
Down to the RFU to get a date and time agreed. Would they allow us an afternoon ko or will we have to rent Sunbury or RAG for an evening game?
Down to the RFU to get a date and time agreed. Would they allow us an afternoon ko or will we have to rent Sunbury or RAG for an evening game?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Welshboy69 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/02/2012 12:10
Can we now start complaining about the official/club/captains who rushed to the decision to cancel today's game
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/02/2012 13:46
Following on from my post above, I'm hearing that whilst Donny want the game on the Tues this would cause us problems with the short turnaround after our match at LS on the Sunday. Therefore we have a preference for the Weds if the game has to be played that week. The RFU have expressed a desire for all postponed games to played by the 25th but just two days between matches must bring some risks to player welfare. Apparently the ideal situation for both clubs would be permission to play on Weds 29th Feb or Sat 3rd March. If midweek then the RFU have previously agreed to allow 2pm ko for midweek league games at ODP but that's not a 100% guarantee they'll allow it this time!
Hopefully a decision by the RFU early in the coming week will allow both clubs and their supporters to make plans.
Hopefully a decision by the RFU early in the coming week will allow both clubs and their supporters to make plans.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: davidcaldwell (IP Logged)
Date: 11/02/2012 13:56
Why is all the talk of when Doncaster want to play the re-arranged fixture? Surely we get some say in the date? Paeticularly when last week it was Doncaster who elected not to play after LW and the Ref had deemed the pitch OK in the morning....Why should we have to play a game on a mid-week afternoon, and miss out on supporters, income etc becuase the oposition didnt like the cold last week....??!?!?!!?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 11/02/2012 14:06
I understand that the RFU ultimately decide the date with representations made by both teams. Whether Donny's views on a date have any influence is down to the Competitions Committee.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: davidcaldwell (IP Logged)
Date: 11/02/2012 14:16
And the really worrying thing is that knowing our governing body are in charge actually reduces my faith in some kind of decent outcome being achieved!!
Although it has to be said that in the last 10 days the FA have done a really great job of making the RFU look competent!!
Although it has to be said that in the last 10 days the FA have done a really great job of making the RFU look competent!!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2012 19:56
Is anyone able to provide insight as to when and where this match may be played or when an announcement might be expected?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2012 21:11
I believe that the four clubs involved with the games still to be arranged (LW, Doncaster, Nottingham and Leeds) have all made their views known to the RFU. It is just a matter of waiting for the RFU to let everyone know their decision!
Hopefully in the next day or two they'll come up with something acceptable but this is the RFU....
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Hopefully in the next day or two they'll come up with something acceptable but this is the RFU....
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2012 15:18
RFU Website shows:
Tuesday, 21 February 2012
London Welsh Vs. Doncaster Knights 14:00 Old Deer Park
Wednesday, 22 February 2012
Nottingham Vs. Leeds Carnegie 14:00
Usual disclaimers apply
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Tuesday, 21 February 2012
London Welsh Vs. Doncaster Knights 14:00 Old Deer Park
Wednesday, 22 February 2012
Nottingham Vs. Leeds Carnegie 14:00
Usual disclaimers apply
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2012 22:33
It will be a select gathering, but I hope everyone in London who likes lively rugby, not just London Welsh supporters, turns out to cheer and create an atmosphere.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2012 23:43
The fact that neither LW or Doncaster have announced this new date suggests that discussions may be ongoing despite the RFU releasing the date.
Less than 5 days notice of an afternoon fixture is hardly fair on supporters and the players will have less than 48hrs recovery after the LS match. Even if the game was played on Tues eve at a ground with floodlights then it would give an extra 5hrs or so for the team to get over the LS fixture and allow a few more supporters to make the game.
Less than 5 days notice of an afternoon fixture is hardly fair on supporters and the players will have less than 48hrs recovery after the LS match. Even if the game was played on Tues eve at a ground with floodlights then it would give an extra 5hrs or so for the team to get over the LS fixture and allow a few more supporters to make the game.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: davidcaldwell (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2012 12:02
Crazy...... How can a 'professional' league operate when games are scheduled for times when most of the supporters will be at work!
Unless of course its the start of a new trend and we can look forward to France v Ireland on the TV on Thursday at 13:00......
Unless of course its the start of a new trend and we can look forward to France v Ireland on the TV on Thursday at 13:00......
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2012 14:09
We could also ask how a professional club can sustain a Situation where archaic planning rules mean we are not allowed to have floodlights !
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2012 15:47
London Welsh v Doncaster Knights
Weds 22nd February 2pm @ ODP
Edit so that further postings in thread makes sense!
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Weds 22nd February 2pm @ ODP
Edit so that further postings in thread makes sense!
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 19/02/2012 18:56
Well, I may be able to make it. Although this is down to personal bad luck rather than fortune.
Anyone else want to keep me company on the terraces?
Anyone else want to keep me company on the terraces?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/02/2012 19:38
Sensibly, admission should be free, likewise stand seats, beer and soft drinks on a 2 for 1 offer between 1 and 1.30, and even better would be a free 3-course lunch upstairs (not lamb shank and mash, please). A huge publicity drive should begin right now as every extra 100 in the crowd can add atmosphere. Are local schools still on half-term?
As a matter of interest what is the lowest home gate we've ever scored for a league home fixture? The weather forecast is a 70% chance of 'precipitation' over the previous 24 hours or more but temperatures well clear of zero. We shall win, have no doubt of it, and against Leeds too, ending the first stage on an up.
As a matter of interest what is the lowest home gate we've ever scored for a league home fixture? The weather forecast is a 70% chance of 'precipitation' over the previous 24 hours or more but temperatures well clear of zero. We shall win, have no doubt of it, and against Leeds too, ending the first stage on an up.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: TC08 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2012 10:26
I'm going to be there. Looking forward to a great few days of winning Welsh rugby, I hope!
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2012 12:01
As of yesterday towards 2pm, the bill board at the entrance was still saying next home match London Welsh v Doncaster 11 February. Do we have a 'marketing' department and any interest in the passing trade at all?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2012 17:52
I have cleared my diary (not that it was that full mind), quick change on the train, and hope the banking sector survives my absence for a few hours.
It's for the club mun.
It's for the club mun.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2012 18:37
Quote:DanFW3
As of yesterday towards 2pm, the bill board at the entrance was still saying next home match London Welsh v Doncaster 11 February. Do we have a 'marketing' department and any interest in the passing trade at all?
As the club does not have a marketing team, it is the more important to ensure those tools that are used are timely and accurate. If the advertising is wrong then it loses its impact and value and evidently could prove to be counter-productive.
The same with the website - the pop-ups are good for communicating certain information, but sadly behind that we have multiple examples of out of date information on the front page and other examples further in.
Keeping the signage at ODP and the website up to date should not be onerous tasks.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 20/02/2012 19:09
Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to make it on Weds. Having seen Dan's comment in the other thread, I'm happy to post live updates from Countdown for those spectators missing their fix of this popular words and numbers game.
(100 posts on a game that hasn't even been played!)
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(100 posts on a game that hasn't even been played!)
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Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2012 11:57
Team #3
London Welsh: 15. Seb Jewell, 14. Will Hurrell, 13. Hudson Tonga’uiha*, 12. Simon Whatling, 11. Joe Ajuwa, 10. Gordon Ross* ©, 9. Jack Moates, 1. Shawn Pittman*, 2. Vili Ma’asi*, 3. Billy Moss, 4. Adam Brown, 5. Martin Purdy, 6. Lee Beach, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Ben Russell.
Replacements: 16. Saul Nelson, 17. Greg Bateman, 18. Mike Powell, 19. Matt Corker, 20. Rob Lewis, 21. Alex Davies, 22. James Lewis.
* Denotes full international
[www.london-welsh.co.uk]
London Welsh: 15. Seb Jewell, 14. Will Hurrell, 13. Hudson Tonga’uiha*, 12. Simon Whatling, 11. Joe Ajuwa, 10. Gordon Ross* ©, 9. Jack Moates, 1. Shawn Pittman*, 2. Vili Ma’asi*, 3. Billy Moss, 4. Adam Brown, 5. Martin Purdy, 6. Lee Beach, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Ben Russell.
Replacements: 16. Saul Nelson, 17. Greg Bateman, 18. Mike Powell, 19. Matt Corker, 20. Rob Lewis, 21. Alex Davies, 22. James Lewis.
* Denotes full international
[www.london-welsh.co.uk]
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2012 12:04
Nine changes plus one positional and STILL no sign of Edd Thrower.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2012 13:17
Knights’ team:
15 Toby Berridge
14 Dougie Flockhart
13 Oli Goss
12 Fred Burdon
11 Michael Keating
10 Gareth Quinn-McDonogh
9 Michael Heaney
1 Tom Davies
2 Steve Boden
3 Alex Brown
4 Glen Kenworthy
5 Dominic Parsons
6 Latu Makaafi
7 David Bradford
8 Michael Noone
16 Royce Burke-Flynn
17 Jack Yeandle
18 Stuart Corsar
19 Matt Challinor
20 Zack Farivarz
21 Chris Hallam
22 Ben Toft
15 Toby Berridge
14 Dougie Flockhart
13 Oli Goss
12 Fred Burdon
11 Michael Keating
10 Gareth Quinn-McDonogh
9 Michael Heaney
1 Tom Davies
2 Steve Boden
3 Alex Brown
4 Glen Kenworthy
5 Dominic Parsons
6 Latu Makaafi
7 David Bradford
8 Michael Noone
16 Royce Burke-Flynn
17 Jack Yeandle
18 Stuart Corsar
19 Matt Challinor
20 Zack Farivarz
21 Chris Hallam
22 Ben Toft
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2012 13:30
Those that can't make it to the match and may find it easier to follow on twitter than via a website, Doncaster have a good live update service via www.twitter.com/dkscores (@dkscores). It looks like they'll be running it tomorrow.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2012 20:42
Should the sub bench usually have 4 forwards and 3 backs or 5 and 2? I think I'd rather see the latter. After all, the backs just stand round watching the heavies do all the muscles work whilst preening their locks. A forward-heavy sub bench puts the frighteners on the oppo. Of course you have to have them to field them!
I'm feeling good about this match.
I'm feeling good about this match.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 21/02/2012 23:40
Quote:Mark W-J
Nine changes plus one positional and STILL no sign of Edd Thrower.
Edd who?
Isn't this the same 22 that were originally named to play against Scottish?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Ellie Crisell (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 09:50
Quote:nld
16 Royce Burke-Flynn
20 Zack Farivarz
Fabulous names.
I caught the end of the Doncaster Rotherham game on Sky last Saturday. Just how did that Rotherham penalty find its way over the posts?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: 123paul (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 16:23
Well i'm glad I made it , a good ga
Game, great result and ( although not a
Great turn out) more people than I expected...
Anyone know the actual attendance?
Game, great result and ( although not a
Great turn out) more people than I expected...
Anyone know the actual attendance?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Dafydd (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 16:54
It was a good game, glad I slipped away from work for it. Any idea why the contingent from London Irish were there, inc Toby Booth and Neal Hatley, scouting or watching some of their loaners?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 17:14
Very enjoyable game - the Jack Moates try is one that will stay with me for a while.
Being back at my desk now is a bit less special though.
Being back at my desk now is a bit less special though.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Verd (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 18:41
I was sitting with Jack (now known as Alex! LoL) Moates parents (nice people) & LI were there to assess whether to keep him on. Glad he was in the starting line up (for a change!) had a good game. I was on the phone behind the scoreboard when he scored 'the try of the millenium' according to TC08
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 20:47
I really enjoyed it, thanks to everyone who looked after or asked after me.
More than we expected to be there too.
More than we expected to be there too.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 22/02/2012 21:56
Attendance 365.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers ... and gentlemen asleep at their office desks in England will think themselves accursed they were not here "
Is that our record lowest home league attendance at ODP?
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers ... and gentlemen asleep at their office desks in England will think themselves accursed they were not here "
Is that our record lowest home league attendance at ODP?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: TC08 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 00:14
Quote:Verd
I was sitting with Jack (now known as Alex! LoL) Moates parents (nice people) & LI were there to assess whether to keep him on. Glad he was in the starting line up (for a change!) had a good game. I was on the phone behind the scoreboard when he scored 'the try of the millenium' according to TC08
Millennium, old chap. No wonder you missed it.
Good game for Joe, although I thought him a tad lucky to be awarded MoM before he'd scored a try.
Good also to see Simon Whatling back, playing well, and Purdy had a good match in an unfamiliar position (6).
After our scrum problems of a couple of months back, we mullahed Donnie today. Was it 3 against the head? Plus more than our fair share of penalties. Such a contrast to the woes of last Sunday.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 08:31
Quote:DanFW3
Attendance 365.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers ... and gentlemen asleep at their office desks in England will think themselves accursed they were not here "
Is that our record lowest home league attendance at ODP?
I don't have the full details to hand, but the lowest I can find since 2000 on Statbunker was 350 v Orrell on 26/02/05. I'd have to validate that against my own records, naturally.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Y Drenewydd (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 09:13
Quote:Dafydd
It was a good game, glad I slipped away from work for it. Any idea why the contingent from London Irish were there, inc Toby Booth and Neal Hatley, scouting or watching some of their loaners?
Irish scrum half Paul Hodgson is going to Worcester so they were probably there to see if Moates can step up to a full London Irish squad member.
On yesterdays showing I would say yes .He made quite a few breaks including the "try of the match from 60M breaking numerous tackle to score under the posts ...magic. Mind you behind the Welsh pack most srumhalfs would have been very happy !
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Verd (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 11:36
As I missed the 'try of the millennium', does anyone know if there is a vid (club vid, U tube, etc) available?
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 11:55
There's a link on the club website : [www.london-welsh.co.uk] although I haven't managed to run it at work.
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Verd (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 12:15
Thanks for the link - excellent try! Hope LI were impressed
Re: London Welsh v Doncaster Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 23/02/2012 14:15
Jack Moates try reminded me of an episode of the Michael Palin series ( Spiffing Yarns ??) . He ran that try across the Andes, through a swamp, swam across the Amazon, fought off killer bees and then finally touched down in the old school yard in front of the Head !!!
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