London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!


By Mark W-J
August 29 2012

This Sunday, London Welsh will make their debut appearance in the Aviva Premiership when they entertain Leicester Tigers at their new home, the Kassam Stadium in Oxford.  In doing so they will become the 28th team to play top-flight rugby in England, after their prolonged promotion battle eventually brought an end to a record-breaking fourteen year stay in the second tier of the league pyramid.


Leicester are one of only four clubs who have spent each of the twenty five years of league rugby in the top flight.  During that time twelve promoted sides have been relegated at the first time of asking, but only one club - Coventry, in the inaugural 1987-88 season - have enjoyed just one season among the elite, never to return.  Most fans and pundits expect Welsh to sink without trace this season given that our promotion wasn’t ratified until 29th June - a month after we’d won the Championship play-off final, and barely nine weeks before the start of the new season.  Opening our campaign against the most successful club of the modern era only adds to the conspiracy theorists’ view that Premier Rugby want to put us firmly in our place after we challenged the operations of their cartel in the courts over the summer.

  

 Richmond to Oxford 
Just a short hop up the Thames!

 

Many people at London Welsh are seemingly stuck in a sepia-tinted world in which we were the dominant team in England, supplying a then-record seven players on the British Lions’ tour of New Zealand in 1971.  But for all this prowess, all of the Merit Table Pennants and Middlesex Sevens titles, we never came close to capturing any official silverware, failing to make it to the final of the RFU Knockout Cup in its various guises until our centenary year, 1985.  By then Leicester had established themselves as the pre-eminent force in English rugby, losing 6-3 to Gloucester in the final of the John Player Cup in 1978, but returning to win three successive finals from 1979-81 and earning the right to keep the original trophy.  Although Bath won ten of the thirteen finals from 1984-1996, the dawn of league rugby in 1987 gave the Tigers the chance to assert their authority, and they were duly crowned Champions with a final day win over Waterloo.  However, their west country rivals claimed the crown in six of the next eight seasons, thereby completing the league and cup double on four occasions, with Tigers collecting each trophy just once during this time.

The dawn of professionalism, however, has seen Leicester re-emerge as the leaders of the pack.  They won four consecutive league titles from 1999-2002, with further titles in 2007, 2009 and 2010; they have played in each of the last eight Premiership finals at Twickenham; they have never finished in the bottom half of the top flight of English rugby; they are the only English team to qualify for the Heineken Cup in each year that the Premiership clubs have competed; in 2002, they became the first team to retain the Heineken Cup, having been the first English finalists in their debut campaign in 1996-97; they contributed seven players to England’s World Cup winning squad of 2003; and in 2005 they broke the record previously held by London Welsh when eight players were selected for the British & Irish Lions’ tour to New Zealand.  To paraphrase Phil Bennett: and that's who we’re playing on Sunday afternoon…

The current Leicester squad contains twelve players who are in the England Elite Player or Saxons squads, while there are at least eight more full internationals on their books, including Geordan Murphy (74 caps for Ireland) and Martin Castrogiovani (84 caps for Italy).  Castro was Premiership player of the year in his debut season in England yet such is the Tigers’ strength-in-depth, he shares tighthead duties with the current England No.3, Dan Cole.  The Tigers moniker was first used in a newspaper report in 1885, five years after the club’s formation, although the reason is unclear.  The team’s colours were originally black, but it is possible that they occasionally wore brown and orange shirts; an alternative theory is that it made reference to the Leicester Regiment’s nickname, which had been picked-up when they wore a ‘royal’ tiger cap-badge whilst serving in India.  The now famous colours of red, green and white were first adopted as vertical stripes in 1891, changing to hoops four years later, while the club badge was changed from the old coat of arms to the tiger’s head in 2006.

For many years Leicester have had a reputation for employing a big pack to devastating effect.  On many occasions their eight have dug them out of trouble, the front row forcing their opposition into submission to gain a penalty try, or the old favourite catch-and-drive, from which the blond head of Neil Back so often emerged to claim another five points.  Yet while the likes of Castro, Cole, Tom Youngs, Lewis Deacon, Graham Kitchener, Geoff Parling, Tom Croft and Thomas Waldrom are following in the hard-to-fill footsteps of Rowntree, Cockerill, Garforth, White, West, Johnson, Richards, Back, Moody, Corry and Wheeler (to name just a few), it’s easy to forget that this is a club which has also fielded the attacking threat of the Underwood brothers, Cusworth, Liley, Healey, Greenwood, Serevi, Rabeni and a roomful of Tuilagis.  Last season started horribly, with five defeats from the opening six matches during the World Cup, but the remaining sixteen rounds produced fourteen wins and a draw, with a solitary defeat at Exeter during the Six Nations, and they reeled-off six consecutive bonus point wins as they demonstrated that they are much more than just an eight-man steamroller.


England International Geoff Parling
Part of Tigers' power in the pack


Leicester have actually lost their opening Premiership fixture in each of the last three seasons, but it would take a very brave man to bet against them this Sunday.  We’ve only played once in a competitive fixture, a third-round Pilkington Cup tie at ODP in January 1990 which the Tigers won 43-3, while the last meeting was in a friendly at Welford Road nearly six years later, when we were comfortably swept aside 63-19.  Many supporters have been heartened by our performances in defeat in two pre-season friendlies at Bath and the Scarlets, but the gulf between the Championship and the Premiership is huge.  Consider the fortunes of our top try scorers in the first two years of the Championship, Errie Claassens and Josh Drauniniu, who have just completed a year in the Premiership with Worcester.  In six years at level two (firstly at Rotherham and then with Welsh), Errie scored 54 tries in 122 starts, but despite starting eleven times for the Warriors last term he failed to get on the scoresheet, although he did manage three in the European Challenge Cup against Bucuresti and Parma.  Josh, meanwhile, touched-down 35 times in 44 starts during his two years at Exeter before adding a further 14 tries from 18 starts in his one year at Welsh.  Last term, however, he started just once in the Premiership for the Warriors, scoring on the final day of the season at Northampton, although he did add a further four scores against the Romanian and Italian clubs in Europe.  Yet every one of last season’s squad has to step-up and show a marked improvement in all aspects of his game if we are to have the faintest chance of survival.

 

Captain Jon Mills and Chairman Bleddyn Phillips 
Leadership on and off the field

 

As previously mentioned, almost every pundit - amateur and professional - has tipped London Welsh to finish bottom of the Premiership this season.  Brian Moore suggested that by the time Gavin Henson (you didn’t think I’d forget every journalist’s contractual obligation to mention our star signing, did you…?) returns he will be ‘marshalling a fight for Premiership survival’, while his former England and Harlequins teammate, Paul Ackford, believes that we will be ‘cut adrift by Christmas’.  In the words of Andy Ripley: Dare we hope? We dare. Can we hope? We can. Should we hope? We must.

 

London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
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Date: 30/08/2012 09:42

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Tigergeezer (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 10:04

Now that's a Premiership preview! Great read.

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Dragons' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 10:09

New season, new ground, new challenges!

Give us your views on this opening game and what you think the season will bring. Are the pundits right about our chances?

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Rich W (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 10:22

Terrific stuff - thanks from another Leicester fan.

Looking forward to Sunday and our first trip to - err - Oxford!

Have a good game and good season - and best of luck.

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Yorkie (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 10:59

Good read. Thanks.

See you all Sunday.

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 11:28

It takes a real reckless optimist to hope for a London Welsh win, so I won't, but what I hope to see is a team that has come together sufficiently not to be totally destroyed. Losing Henson is a blow and if Gordon Ross plays even as a sub he will have to play his socks off. Our pack looks useful but so far more as individuals than as a pack, and line-out needed a bit of work still judging by our friendlies. We seem to lack finishing power at the backs, resorting too readily to aerial ping-pong which usually ends to our disadvantage, and need to learn to counter-attack from the deep even before catching the ball and not to waste fruitless seconds passing in to the centre. Tackles must e made to count and not just enable te ball carrier to offload at his choosing. Apart from that I'm hoping for an injury-free encounter which leaves supporters of both sides leaving Kassam feeling relatively happy. It's the must-see match of 2 September (it may be the only match then but hey), and to see live not just on some TV channel.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Ealingnye (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 12:41

I am generally optimistic and often a touch reckless, but I think my most realistic hope is winning one half (most likely the 2nd after tigers have got their 4 and relaxed a little), and possibly, maybe, potentially squeaking a losing bonus. Our hopes of survival will hinge on pickin up losin bonus point in games when the opposition subs are on, starting on Sunday.
Really looking forward to it mind!

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Stopsy (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 12:57

Many thanks for an excellent preview, good luck to LW for this season, games against us Tigers excepted!

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: (JSF) (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2012 13:46

Thanks for the preview, looking forward to meeting you at your new 'home' on Sunday

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: horsell (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 10:09

Think positively - We’ve never been beaten at the Kassam.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 11:07

Don't get in the wrong queue on Sunday -

'You should be aware that there will be an Asian Wedding at the stadium on Sunday which means that some of the facilities will not be available.

There will be stewards and signage to point you in the right direction but this will affect car parking, the collection of tickets and the usage of bars. We have arranged for a mobile bar from Brains, our new main sponsor, to be positioned at the west end and the weather forecast is wonderful so - see you in the car park! Rest assured this will not be the norm and we shall be fully under cover by the time winter arrives.'

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 11:40

Quote:
adge1
Don't get in the wrong queue on Sunday -
'You should be aware that there will be an Asian Wedding at the stadium on Sunday which means that some of the facilities will not be available.

There will be stewards and signage to point you in the right direction but this will affect car parking, the collection of tickets and the usage of bars. We have arranged for a mobile bar from Brains, our new main sponsor, to be positioned at the west end and the weather forecast is wonderful so - see you in the car park! Rest assured this will not be the norm and we shall be fully under cover by the time winter arrives.'

Thanks for the info.

As I am still awaiting tickets (I won't enter into the long & troubled tale) I may be spending much of my Sunday in the area of the Car Park.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 12:12

15. Tom Arscott, 14. Phil MacKenzie*, 13. Sonny Parker*, 12. Hudson Tonga’uiha*, 11. Joe Ajuwa, 10. Gordon Ross*, 9. Jonah Holmes, 1. Franck Montanella*, 2. Neil Briggs, 3. Paulica Ion*, 4. Jonathan Mills ©, 5. Kirill Kulemin*, 6. Ed Williamson, 7. Lee Beach, 8. Daniel Browne.

Replacements: 16. Greg Bateman, 17. Tom Bristow, 18. Arthur Joly, 19. Martin Purdy, 20. Alfie To’oala*, 21. Nick Runciman, 22. Seb Jewell, 23. Nick Scott.

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 12:13

Post deleted. too slow!



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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 12:32

LEICESTER TIGERS (v London Welsh, Kassam Stadium, Sunday 2pm)
15 Geordan Murphy (c)
14 Scott Hamilton
13 Manusamoa Tuilagi
12 Anthony Allen
11 Vereniki Goneva
10 Toby Flood
9 Micky Young

1 Logovi'i Mulipola
2 Tom Youngs
3 Dan Cole
4 Rob Andrew
5 Geoff Parling
6 Steve Mafi
7 Julian Salvi
8 Thomas Waldrom

Replacements
16 George Chuter
17 Boris Stankovich
18 Martin Castrogiovanni
19 Brett Deacon
20 Jordan Crane
21 Sam Harrison
22 George Ford
23 Matt Smith

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 12:34

A few observations:
eight internationals of eight different nationalities;
Greg Bateman has reinvented himself as a hooker in the three weeks since we played Bath;
no place for last year's supporters' player of the season, Ed Jackson, nor players' player of the year, Adam Brown, amongst others;
Jon Mills is now seen as a lock - presumably sacrificing line out options in order to be more competitive at the breakdown



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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 13:32

'......and finally, may the best team win!'
[noises off, splutters] 'I bloody hope not...'

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 13:40

That Tigers team... Never heard of most of them! Lol

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 14:26

Quote:
Mark W-J
A few observations:
eight internationals of eight different nationalities;
Greg Bateman has reinvented himself as a hooker in the three weeks since we played Bath;
no place for last year's supporters' player of the season, Ed Jackson, nor players' player of the year, Adam Brown, amongst others;
Jon Mills is now seen as a lock - presumably sacrificing line out options in order to be more competitive at the breakdown

I think Greg Bateman's conversion has been going on since the play offs, although in terms of game time he has seen very little time at 2. Strong scrummager in what will undoubtedly be a testing encounter.

Looks like we are sacrificing lineout options - I would fancy lifting Kulemin, so we are going for power and Adam misses out as with Jon Mills there, we are putting an emphasis on the breakdown than more traditional second row features.

Surprised to see Mike Denbee not named. I thought Mike took a lot of contact against Scarlets so may be carrying a knock. For me Mike is one of our stand out players & a natural 7.

I thought 8 would see To’oala start for his physicality and Ed Jackson come on later.

Interesting choice at 9 which has me thinking this may be the matchday 23, but not necessarily how the team will start.

Only my thoughts & I will stop there.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 19:26

As always Mark W-J an excellent preview. Come 3.45 on Sunday we will know our first result. Win it's a breeze. 2 bonus points it's job done. 1 bonus point it's onwards & upwards. lose by 10/15 points it's acceptable. More than 15 and.....confused smiley But i'm sure Lyn & the boys will improve. PADDYTAF.



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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Tiggs (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2012 23:20

Super write-up, and all the best after Sunday !

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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Purebob (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2012 09:06

Excellent write up !

Not a single Tigers fan , player or officer is taking you for granted, I can assure you.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2012 11:36

Rob Andrew at number 4 - there's an opportunity for those who want a pop at the RFU (maybe the guy should wear a shirt saying "I'm the other Rob Andrew"!). As to Jon Mills at lock, my view is the second row should have two credible jumpers as otherwise targeting the one credible jumper is too easy. Maybe he is a credible jumper and I've missed that all along (as I admit I miss a lot of things). Is Corker injured as it seems strange for him not even to be on the bench?

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: SK 88 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2012 23:01

Surely with Beech, Browne and Williamson you will have plenty of lineout options in the back row? From my memory all are quite tall.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: Squawker2 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/09/2012 12:01

A nice review, i must add as a Sarries fan

I'm afraid i'm still betting on Tigers to win, but I'd love to see Welsh put in a great performance - and, as the team that knows, Sarries are united in thinking that you stand a better chance without no-show Mr Orange Henson

Luck, and enjoy your first game

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2012 08:13

Quote:
Squawker2
A nice review, i must add as a Sarries fan
I'm afraid i'm still betting on Tigers to win, but I'd love to see Welsh put in a great performance - and, as the team that knows, Sarries are united in thinking that you stand a better chance without no-show Mr Orange Henson

Luck, and enjoy your first game

I thought Gordon Ross was outstanding yesterday and with us also having Gavin Henson to come back after injury we will be in a very strong position at half back. I'm afraid i can't quite agree with your comments regarding Gav. I know where your coming from and why you have said what you said. My opinion now on Gavin is that he will deliver and most certainly surprise EVERYONE (You included) that he can deliver the goods. (I have never been a great fan of Gavin's but have to admit that the little bit of what i have seen makes me believe he will come up trumps) PADDYTAF.



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Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2012 10:37

Watched the match on TV.

Thought that Gordon had a really good game and that he seemed to enjoy it much more than almost any match he played last season. Big stage? Better service from the pack? Not sure why but it was good to see.

I suspect that the LW team will be pleased with some aspects of their game and Tigers will be frustrated with some aspect of theirs. Difficult to get a proper perspective of the game on TV but it seemed that the pack were a bit hit and miss (as expected), defence needs to tighten up a little and Tigers were slightly rusty and will step up a gear or two as the season goes on. That's not trying to take anything away from a generally solid performance and a result that was closer than I (and I suspect many others) expected.

Re: London Welsh v Leicester - The Premiership Premiere Preview!
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 03/09/2012 11:00

I'm 100% with Paddytaf about Gavin past and present, and trust it's four weeks rater than six. Gordon Ross played out of his socks in my opinion and I was also very impressed by the new left wing McKenzie who at first I mistook for a surprisingly fast and out-of-position Martin Purdy! Very determined and I expect he will be a try scorer before long. Hudson also had a great match (he must forgive my not typing his surname as predictive text will almost certainly mangle it). The scoreline was much as I forecast but I think we emerged with honour intact and encouraged that if this is how we emerge from encountering Tigers we will have many victories against other teams. Tigers used their heads more as battering rams than I would have thought healthy and seemed to outweigh us in the pack, though I haven't done the maths. At least we are on page 1 of the BBC text page Premiership Table. Judging by the summary shown late on Thursday, the player of the weekend fixtures was Wasps' Wade who broke through a sleepy Quins defence all too easily. He'll be a marked man for the rest of the season and won't be able to score so freely not least if up against Joe Ajuwa marking him (provided the latter is not out of position multi-tasking as a scrum-half, mauler, right-wing etc etc). Overall I think Tigers were more stree savvy than Welsh, but it's a fast learning curve they are on. Let's hope Quins are still aslumber on Friday night.

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