London Welsh v Harlequins Preview
By Mark W-J
January 3 2013
The New Year at the Kassam kicks-off with the clash of the champions, as Championship winners London Welsh welcome the reigning Aviva Premiership champions, Harlequins. While we have no intention of regaining our crown for the foreseeable future, instead hoping to establish ourselves as a Premiership club, Quins are looking to create a dynasty not just domestically but in European club rugby.
In May last year, on the Saturday between the two legs of the Championship play-off final, Harlequins became only the third team, after Sale (2006) and Leicester (2009 & 2010) to win the Premiership final after finishing top of the league in the regular season. And seven months on, they again find themselves top of the pile, one point ahead of 2011 champions Saracens, with the Tigers a further point behind. Quins have won nine of their twelve Premiership matches to-date, and also top Pool 3 in the Heineken Cup with 19 points from a possible 20, a full ten points clear of second-placed Biarritz. With Connacht visiting The Stoop on Saturday week, our former local rivals will be confident of claiming a home quarter-final with one round of fixtures to spare, although they will remember a final round defeat in Galway last season which saw them eliminated in the pool stages. Although they have never reached the last four of the Heineken Cup, Quins were the first non-French club to win the second-tier competition - now called the Amlin Challenge Cup, then known as the European Shield - defeating Narbonne 42-33 at the Madejski in 2001: three years later they became the first team to win the competition twice, when they beat Montferrand 27-26 at the same venue, while they claimed an unprecedented third title in 2011, with a 19-18 victory over Stade Francais in Cardiff. Meanwhile, Quins’ youngsters won the ‘A’ League last month, beating Saracens Storm 37-12 in front of a crowd of over 4,000 at the Stoop.
This will be our fourth league meeting with Harlequins, and the first to be played away from the Stoop. When they were relegated to National One in 2005, we played our ‘home’ game in Twickenham in order to accommodate the bumper crowd, after over 10,000 people had attended the away game on Boxing Day. The attendance of 5,200 on Easter Saturday was our best home crowd in league rugby until we won promotion to the Premiership; indeed, it has only been bettered three times in our seven home games so far, with a reported 10,045 turning up for last Saturday’s local derby with Wasps. But the fact that this Sunday’s match will be our eighth home game of the season potentially gives us cause for concern with four months and nine league fixtures still to come - specifically, that we have to play six times away from home between now and the end of the season. We have, of course, won three of our six home games to-date, plus the win at Sale in September which is looking increasingly valuable given the failure of the two teams either side of us in the table - London Irish and Worcester - to win at Salford in the last couple of months. Yet two of our three remaining home games after this weekend are against the Sharks, on 17th February, and the Warriors, on the final day.

Quins' Nick Evans
Second highest points scorer in the Premiership this season
Harlequins are not only the league leaders: they also boast the best attacking stats in terms of points (328) and tries (29), and the league’s best points difference (+85). They are the only team to have scored over 300 points - and therefore the only ones to average over 25 per game - but their defence has been suspect at times, with 243 conceded: only Wasps among the top eight sides have conceded more. Yet they have conceded only two tries in their last four games, with Worcester speedsters David Lemi and Errie Claassens both crossing in their side’s 22-19 defeat at the Stoop at the end of November, and have kept their line intact on six occasions, conceding fifteen tries in the other six games. Wasps, of course, scored five in the crazy 42-40 reverse at HQ on the opening day of the season, while Exeter matched that feat in their equally remarkable 42-28 victory over the champions at Sandy Park in early October. For the Welsh, try-scoring remains an issue and is in danger of becoming a serious problem. We haven’t scored a try for 313 minutes - over five hours of rugby - which represents the longest barren spell in the Premiership this season, although London Irish have themselves failed to cross the whitewash for 275 minutes and counting.

Ugo Monye's brace of tries helped Quins to
a 40-3 win against LW in September
Our trip to the Stoop back in September doesn’t exactly give us hope for this Sunday. Harlequins barely needed to break a sweat in the early evening sun to comprehensively swat the Welsh aside, scoring six tries in a thoroughly one-sided affair which finished 40-3. Former London Welsh loanee George Robson scored two of his team’s tries, and bagged another against Sale a week later, but no Quins forward has scored in their subsequent nine matches, although the pack did earn a penalty try at HQ last week, as they beat Irish 26-15 in front of 82,000 fans in ‘Big Match 5’. That early season defeat was a low watermark for us - we dropped to the bottom of the table for the first, but so far only, time - but bounced back the following week with a maiden Premiership victory over the Chiefs, swiftly followed by that vital win at Sale. All of the statistics suggest that Sunday will be another tough game, but we will be aware that all of the bottom four teams face top four opposition this weekend, with Worcester entertaining Leicester on Friday night, Irish visiting Gloucester on Saturday, and Saracens hosting their last ever match at Vicarage Road against Sale on Sunday.
We should also offer a warm welcome to our new Chief Executive, Tony Copsey, who has joined us from London Scottish this week. He began his post-playing career at Llanelli, where he had enjoyed much success as an uncompromising lock forward, in the role of Commercial Manager, before taking up the post of Managing Director at Harlequins in 2000. He held that post for seven years, before he moved to Wasps as CEO for a further two and a half years, subsequently developing his own consultancy basis, working with Scottish. Over the last fifteen years or so he has become one of the most respected administrators in the English game, yet as a player, it’s fair to say that Copsey wasn’t known for his brains. His international debut in 1992, after serving a residency period of six years, nearly resulted in a complete breakdown in diplomatic relations between Ireland and Wales, and many of his former teammates have filled page after page of their autobiographies recounting tales of his role as a good, old-fashioned ‘enforcer’ for club and country. He won 17 caps for his adopted country (he apparently has ‘Made in England’ tattooed on his posterior) and finished his professional playing career with three years at Saracens after a decade at Stradey. While at Quins, however, he made two appearances for London Welsh in 2002-03, firstly in a pre-season friendly at Staines, and then playing ten minutes as a replacement for Chad Eagle in a league game with Rotherham at ODP. The Titans had been denied promotion to the Premiership due to RFU and Premier Rugby shenanigans the previous season (plus ca change, and all that…) and they ran out 49-22 winners that afternoon, with Italian international Ramiro Pez converting all seven tries, including one from Alfie To’oala.

A warm welcome to new LW CEO
Tony Copsey
The Aviva Premiership takes a four week break after this weekend’s fixtures for two rounds each of pool games in firstly the European and then Anglo-Welsh cups, with the Welsh visiting the Stoop again on the last weekend of January. Quins have proved their strength-in-depth by winning all six ties in the two cup competitions, on top of their return of nine from twelve in the Premiership - that’s just three defeats in eighteen matches this season. They have given no impression that last season was a flash-in-the-pan - despite the aforementioned attacking prowess, they are prepared to grind out results, to win ugly, as they proved at Northampton a couple of weeks ago, and in Nick Evans they have one of the most reliable kickers in the game to keep the scoreboard ticking over even when the tries aren’t forthcoming. From a Welsh perspective, last weekend’s performance against Wasps was arguably our worst since our visit to the Stoop, with some pitiful defence contributing to at least three of the four tries conceded. What better opportunity to right those wrongs than the visit of the Premiership’s most potent attacking force?.
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Referee: Llyr Ap Geraint-Roberts
Assistant referees: Paul Dix, Robin Goodliffe
Timekeeper (4th official): Tony Turner
Assessor: Ed Morrison
As far as transport goes there are no trains between Twickenham/ Virginia Water/ Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions on Sunday. If going by train you can get the Windsor bus and walk to Windsor Central for First Great Western to Slough and pick up (from the adjacent platform an Oxford train.
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Match official and transport news wings its way in from Kent:
Referee: Llyr Ap Geraint-Roberts
Assistant referees: Paul Dix, Robin Goodliffe
Timekeeper (4th official): Tony Turner
Assessor: Ed Morrison
As far as transport goes there are no trains between Twickenham/ Virginia Water/ Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions on Sunday. If going by train you can get the Windsor bus and walk to Windsor Central for First Great Western to Slough and pick up (from the adjacent platform an Oxford train.
Oh dear................
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Match official and transport news wings its way in from Kent:
Referee: Llyr Ap Geraint-Roberts
Assistant referees: Paul Dix, Robin Goodliffe
Timekeeper (4th official): Tony Turner
Assessor: Ed Morrison
As far as transport goes there are no trains between Twickenham/ Virginia Water/ Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions on Sunday. If going by train you can get the Windsor bus and walk to Windsor Central for First Great Western to Slough and pick up (from the adjacent platform an Oxford train.
Oh dear................
Exactly. Replacement bus services are never good.
Just a quick note, the Quins forwards have have been scoring tries in Europe, if not recently in the premiership. Guest scored a try against Zebre at home on 15/12 and Easter & Buchanan crossed in the Zebre away game the week before. The later also scored a try against Biarritz at home on 13/10.
Anywaym good luck, I wish I could be there but I will be listening! I hope that it's a good game.
Hope we beat you on Sunday but that you can continue surprising other prem teams!
(a) how have we fared in each match where Mr Llyr Ap Geraint-Roberts has officiated?
(b) what is the record longest period of time without tries for any Premiership side since the Premiership started?
We need to know what records to beat, so:
(c) who last got a try bonus point against Quins and won without conceding a losing bonus point at the same time to them?
Hopefully Quins will rest their senior XV and be too cocky as only they know how.
"GIVE THEM NO BALL OR BAD BALL WELSH"
"GIVE THEM NO BALL OR BAD BALL WELSH"
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Replacements: 16. Greg Bateman, 17. Tom Bristow, 18. James Tideswell, 19. Matt Corker, 20. Alfie To’oala*, 21. Tyson Keates, 22. Alex Davies, 23. Tom Voyce.
Harlequins: 15. Ollie Lindsay-Hague, 14. Tom Williams, 13. George Lowe, 12. Jordan Turner-Hall, 11. Sam Smith, 10. Nick Evans, 9. Danny Care, 1. Joe Marler, 2. Joe Gray, 3. James Johnston, 4. Charlie Matthews, 5. George Robson, 6. Tom Guest, 7. Chris Robshaw ©, 8. Nick Easter.
Replacements: 16. Rob Buchanan, 17. Mark Lambert, 18. Will Collier, 19. Sam Twomey, 20. Luke Wallace, 21. Karl Dickson, 22. Ben Botica, 23. Matt Hopper.
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London Welsh: 15. Tom Arscott, 14. Dan Caprice, 13. Seb Jewell, 12. Sonny Parker*, 11. Nick Scott, 10. Gordon Ross*, 9. Rob Lewis, 1. Frank Montanella*, 2. Neil Briggs, 3. Paulica Ion*, 4. Jonathon Mills ©, 5. Kirill Kulemin*, 6. Ed Jackson, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Adam Balding.
Replacements: 16. Greg Bateman, 17. Tom Bristow, 18. James Tideswell, 19. Matt Corker, 20. Alfie To’oala*, 21. Tyson Keates, 22. Alex Davies, 23. Tom Voyce.
Good to see Paulica back - I guess his move to France isn't until the end of the season then?
No Henson either - wasn't he meant to be fit for this one?
Also nice to see Keats and Voyce back on the bench.
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Enjoy the match. Hope you can grab a losing BP, or even two BPs in a try filled match, and pull further away from those below you!
Nunquam Dormio
"GIVE THEM NO BALL OR BAD BALL WELSH"
One of three opposition players who have really mpression me this season, the others being Wasps' Wade and Vrndell, though there are also a huge forward and a very tall player whose names I forget.
Monye missing, what a relief!
Tomorrow could be difficult to watch, but I'm sure the boys will give 100%. Shame that Keyte starts on bench & Gav & Hudson are still injured.
BTW - someone has just told me that Lee Beech is on loan & playing for Neath today. What's going on? Didn't think we could afford to loan out players of Lee's ability (IMHO) with the limited squad we have.
COYW
Just got back from an enjoyable (if tense :s) afternoon at the Kassam. After getting thumped in the first half your boys came back brilliantly in the second half and gave us a real scare.
You tried to play with pace and ambition rather than simply aiming to spoil and slow the ball down, which is to be commended. Arscott was particularly impressive for you I thought.
I was sceptical about your chances before the start of the season and was worried you would be whipping boys from start to finish, but I will be the first to admit that I was wrong. You have been well and truly competitive this season: all the best for the rest of your games and good luck staying up!

Ref was a disaster for both sides.., as usual in his case sadly. He is a man out of his depth. Which is only knee deep for most of us!
Good 2nd half from the boys. Lots of guts. We deserved the point. Hope we can play like Quins after we have stayed up for a couple of seasons.
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No argument with the yellow for Kiril, but anyone know what the other 2 cards were for? He never fails to annoy/surprise/disappoint us.
Good 2nd half from the boys. Lots of guts. We deserved the point. Hope we can play like Quins after we have stayed up for a couple of seasons.
A fight, i would say tideswell was more in the wrong and we were lucky that both of them got sinbinned instead of just our guy! A valiant effort though from welsh! very very pleased
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Quote:Ditto that... Was there with a Quins supporter today and hoping for at least a decent performance without a severe beating as I wouldn't hear the last of it. After the first 20mins I was thinking that the 'severe beating' was on it's way, but things started to turn around and the second half was great to watch.WDR
Awful first half but had the potential to be far worse. I must admit after their second try I thought it might be a bit of a bloodbath. I'm guessing Lyn had a few words with them at half time, and they certainly worked! They came out and actually started throwing the ball around. Defence was excellent for most of the second half, and I thought our pack dominated throughout. Nice to see consistent line outs as well :-) Brilliant defensive effort in the last play. Overall very happy, just want to see the standard we saw in the second half for the full 80.
A good day out.... That last 5mins was nerve racking!
"GIVE THEM NO BALL OR BAD BALL WELSH"
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In case you feel happy about Mike Brown being out, this is what OLH does when he is playing at 15 against Exiles (he was actually at the start of this move and stormed through).
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Enjoy the match. Hope you can grab a losing BP, or even two BPs in a try filled match, and pull further away from those below you!
yes thanks as the only London Welsh educated player on the field I think we knew what he could do!
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I have always thought today's ref has been well out of his depth he hasn't got a clue about the game. I could go on and on, but will stop right here i can't stand the guy and dislike him even more.
As much as I hate to criticise the ref, apparently...
Quote:Harlequins boss Conor O'Shea launched a blistering attack on the referee after their 31-26 victory at London Welsh.
The bonus-point win sent Quins back to the top of the Aviva Premiership but they were far from comfortable, the Exiles battling back from 21-6 down to within five points before the champions sealed the victory.
O'Shea was nevertheless left unhappy with the match official, who he accused of a catalogue of errors.
"I'm unbelievably frustrated, you'd have to go a long way to see worse," he said.
"Everything was wrong - it was incredible. The offside line was irrelevant, trailing runners coming back was irrelevant, backing into the maul, not releasing in the tackle - all irrelevant.
"We were 21-6 up at half-time but bafflingly the penalty count was against us, how that can be?
"We have a feedback process for the referees but it's not actioned upon and it's very difficult at times.
"We played some magnificent running in the first 45 minutes and that's what we should be talking about - our full-back, Ollie Lindsay-Hague, dazzling people with his footwork." said O'Shea.
The referee, as I feared, was an interfering busybody, often nearly in the way, and unable to sort out a very moderate handbags to-do. Someone ought to check back his record, and for this match examine a lot of his ignoring of Quins' ever-so-slightly-forward passes and one blatant pulling the ball back into the scrum that had clearly left it.
Sale now have to win two more matches than us in the remaining nine rounds, and two BPs more than us from somewhere to equal with us, then it goes down to tries scored (hmmm!) and points difference (they have over 60 worse points difference than us). For them to close up on the latter they would also surely be clear ahead of us on tries scored too. I don't see them making it even with an apparently resolved coaching set-up (Hitler v Roehm has nothing on Sale Sharks internal settling of leadership disputes)
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Quote:Thought Rob Lewis was again stagnant in the first half, but to be fair he was vastly improved at the start of the second , but when Tyson came on there definitely seemed to be a bit more zip to our game.metalman
think the sub at 9 changed the game
Thought today was just what we needed a great effort trying to play some open expansive rugby and almost feel disappointed to have only come away with a LBP.
Agree with Dan, didn't think we were totally out played in the first half but, they did seem to draw us in to the tackle very easily, something we could learn well rather than aimlessly passing it along the line in front of teams.
In the second half we seemed to be tackling players higher up giving them less chance to get the ball away, which definitely worked to spoil their open game.
I thought a well deserved MOTM for Ed Jackson and worst man of the match definietly to the referee.
Both sides played so much of the game offside and even saw him chatting to their scrum half on a couple of occaisions, whilst setting the scrum. He definitely lived up to expectation.
Still a great game and a LBP against Quins is indeed not to be sniffed at.
Just before KO and the teams running out, the Quins subs ran out quicker than the team, jostling past some of their teammates in a rush to get to the subs bench. WTF were they doing, I wondered?
Turned out there weren't enough seats for all of them, so some had to sit outside of the comfy little enclosure. The looks on the faces of the ones who missed out were quite comical.
I forgot to glance over for the rest of the match to see how this game of musical seats was working out though.
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Montanella is going to need a break before the final run in.
Keep thinking that myself but he keeps ploughing on, the mans a machine, so glad he's commited to us for another couple of seasons.
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Amusing part of yesterday:
Just before KO and the teams running out, the Quins subs ran out quicker than the team, jostling past some of their teammates in a rush to get to the subs bench. WTF were they doing, I wondered?
Turned out there weren't enough seats for all of them, so some had to sit outside of the comfy little enclosure. The looks on the faces of the ones who missed out were quite comical.![]()
I forgot to glance over for the rest of the match to see how this game of musical seats was working out though.
Also saw Tom Voyce go down the tunnel about 15 mins from the end. When we came out straight after the match he was already on the team bus.
"GIVE THEM NO BALL OR BAD BALL WELSH"
