London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview


By Mark W-J
February 14 2013

Sale’s visit to Oxford this weekend could prove to be the most important game of London Welsh’s season.  The Sharks’ recent upturn in form possibly gives them a slight advantage on Sunday, but a home win could end their mini-revival and put pressure back on them with seven rounds remaining; defeat would extend our losing streak to five league games and see us installed as relegation favourites.

 
 

Things looked so different just a few weeks ago.  At Christmas Sale were odds-on for the drop, with just one win from their opening eleven fixtures, while Welsh reached the midpoint of the season with 20 points, thirteen clear of the one relegation spot and halfway to the mystical 40 points which supposedly guarantee Premiership survival.  One bookmaker put the odds of us dropping back to the Championship at the first time of asking at 25-1: to put that in context, at the start of the season the odds on us reaching the play-offs were just 33-1, the same as those on Sale being crowned champions.  But the three league games since then have seen a massive swing in the two clubs’ fortunes.  Sale have won two home games - against Worcester and Exeter - while we’ve collected a solitary losing bonus point at home to Harlequins, as a result of which the gap is down to just six points.  But if the Welsh support want to take some solace from our predicament, it lies in that last sentence: namely, home form being key to both clubs’ fortunes.  Sale are one of two Premiership clubs yet to win on their travels this season - the other is Worcester, who visit the Kassam on the final day of the season - while the significance of our win up at Salford in mid-September becomes greater as each of the teams around us falls to defeat to the rejuvenated Sharks.   We’ve both recorded home wins over London Irish and Exeter, while Bath, who we beat in early November - visit Sale in round 18 in late March.

 


Sale Lock Ritchie Gray
Currently part of Scotlands' 2013 Six Nations squad 

 

While London Welsh have recorded only one win in their last ten outings in all competitions, we have taken heart from the fact that Lyn Jones has prioritised Premiership survival this season, to the extent that the Amlin and LV campaigns have been little more than minor distractions.  Sale, however, have used the LV Cup to build up a head of steam, to get a few wins under their belt, and to boost morale as the league reaches its latter stages.  They qualified for the semi-finals as second seeds, with three wins from their four pool matches, and nobody - not even unbeaten Harlequins - could match their 15 tries.  As a result they are just two wins away from Heineken Cup qualification for next season, despite their parlous league position: they entertain Saracens in the last four on 10th March, with Quins or Bath awaiting the victors in the final at Sixways seven days later.  The target for Welsh this Sunday, however, is to knock Sale out of their stride.  If we can claim victory, by whatever means, it will give us a buffer of around 9-10 points, and the Sharks’ next two league matches are at home to Harlequins and away to Leicester - coincidentally, exactly the same as our last two fixtures.  And while the Premiership is notoriously unpredictable, especially during international windows, it would not be unreasonable to expect them to struggle to collect more than the solitary losing bonus point that we collected from the same two fixtures, which would keep enable us to keep them at arm’s length as the season draws to a tight close.

It’s worth reflecting, however, on how the Premiership’s relegation-threatened clubs have belatedly sprung to life in the final third of the season in recent years.  Last year, Newcastle claimed three of their six wins in the final four rounds of fixtures, while Wasps, having lost nine in a row from November to February, managed to win two of their last six to avoid the drop by a point.  Twelve months earlier the Falcons had lost their last seven games, but back-to-back wins in late-February and early-March were enough to see off the challenge of Leeds, who won three of their last eight - including a 30-29 thriller at Kingston Park - only to be relegated on points’ difference.  This year, of course, there is a third team in the mix.  Many people see London Irish as the team most likely to escape the relegation battle, and it’s easy to see why.  Worcester, Sale and Welsh all visit Reading in the last five rounds of matches, and if Irish display the kind of form which saw them thrash the previously unbeaten Northampton, or win away at Kingsholm, they should be pulling away from the basement fairly steadily over the coming months.  Some people have suggested that Worcester could yet find themselves drawn into a dogfight, and while their away form is suspect they have two misfiring teams in Northampton and Exeter to visit Sixways in the coming weeks, so they should be able to steer themselves to safety.

 


The soggy Kassam pitch at the Quins match
Will the wet conditions prevent a running game on Sunday?


Last weekend, Sale beat Exeter in Friday’s televised game, with ex-England winger Mark Cueto breaking former teammate Steve Hanley’s record as the Premiership’s top try-scorer.  It was Cueto’s 76th top-flight score in his 176th league appearance at an average of 0.43 tries per game, although Hanley’s strike-rate of 0.56 tries per game makes him the league’s most prolific scorer.  However, Wasps’ Tom Varndell, the Premiership’s top scorer this season with eleven, is close on their heels with 70 tries from 138 games (0.51 per game), while London Welsh’s Tom Voyce is still fifth on 66, despite not having crossed since scoring a brace for Gloucester in the final game of last season against London Irish.  With three tries, Cueto is also Sale’s joint-top try scorer this year, alongside Samoan centre Johnny Leota, while the celebrations surrounding his landmark score last Friday somewhat overshadowed a maiden touchdown in the Premiership for former All Black openside Dan Braid, signed from Auckland Blues before Christmas, whose arrival has been hailed as making the big difference to the Sharks’ fortunes.  Their top points scorer is Danny Cipriani, who seems to have settled into his rhythm under Steve Diamond after being publicly held responsible for the club’s failing fortunes under the brief stewardship of another Kiwi, John Mitchell, coincidentally the man who gave Braid his first cap.  Cipriani v Henson would be a match-up that most supporters would love to see - partly, you suspect, because a hefty proportion of the rugby population would love to see them both fail in spectacular fashion, but also because, on their day, they are two of the most naturally gifted, spontaneous players of the professional era.  The chance of it happening, sadly, is slim: Gordon Ross is enjoying far-and-away his best season in the scarlet jersey, his four penalties at Leicester last weekend taking him to 136 points for season, his second-highest return in a league campaign, and just 25 behind his best, set in 2004-05 with Leeds. 



New Premiership record holder Mark Cueto

 

Sunday’s game will be the third meeting of the clubs in league rugby, with both previous games having been won by the away side.  Sale won 16-9 at ODP in the old Courage Two in January 1989, while they were also victorious on both of their previous appearances at the Kassam, twice winning the European Challenge Cup by beating first Pontypridd (25-22, 2002) and then Pau (27-3, 2005).  This is Sale’s nineteenth consecutive season in the top flight, since they were promoted as runners-up to West Hartlepool in 1994.  They had been included in Courage One in the first season of league rugby (1987-88) but were relegated with eleven defeats from eleven games - although they played seven of those matches away from home - and failing to even get on the scoreboard on three occasions, losing 17-0 at home to Nottingham, 19-0 at Orrell and 66-0 at Harlequins.  In the professional era, of course, they have fared much better, becoming Champions in 2005-06 under the guidance of current France coach Philippe Saint-Andre.  It’s fair to say that the Welshmen amongst us took great pleasure in ruining his weekend in Paris last Saturday, and all London Welshmen will be hoping for a similar outcome against his former charges on Sunday.  Yet while this game alone won’t decide the fate of either club, you can’t help feeling that the players and supporters of London Irish and Worcester will be watching almost as nervously as the London Welsh and Sale fans.  Who said the Premiership was boring?

 

London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
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Date: 14/02/2013 10:01

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Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: londonbound (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 10:14

As usual a great read. The point raised about how you use cup comps to get confidence and momentum is something I've been banging on about but fallen on death ears I'm afraid. As a strategy using these comps as a platform to invole everyone in comp for places is a must. Instead he have come to a position where there is place to get momentum. This is indeed as the french Le-crunch game!

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: H's D (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 10:26

Great preview!
How well has Briggsy been performing for you?
Really great bloke - worth getting to know.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 10:32

Latest from the LW 'Doyle' correspondent:

London Welsh vs Sale Sharks

Referee: JP Doyle
Assistant referee1: Nigel Carrick
Assistant referee 2: Paul Dix
4th official: Eric Bullion

Assessor: Tony Spreadbury

The only other bad news apart from the referee is that Craig Doyle will be at Kassam on Sunday. He said that on the ITV1/4 Rugby Show.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 11:41

Quote:
H's D
How well has Briggsy been performing for you?

In one word EPIC.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Y Drenewydd (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 11:52

Couldn't agree more , good signing, strong ,mobile but with grunt and "attitude" up front when needed.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: H's D (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 12:08

Grab him to help at your local club if you can: he did a good job coaching up here at MRFC in his spare time whilst at SS. He's very approachable and will always stop for a chat. Played way above his size/weight, which is his only deficiency imho.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: cd2 (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 12:20

Excellent preview - thank you - really enjoyed reading that

See you Sunday smiling smiley

Breathe.Let go. And remind yourself that this very moment is the only one you know you have for sure.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 12:46

Briggsy's been superb, on and off the pitch.

His ban for that punch seems to have curtailed his community work though...

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Bzzzz (IP Logged)
Date: 14/02/2013 13:03

Excellent preview - thanks.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 15/02/2013 12:37

London Welsh: 15. Tom Arscott, 14. Phil MacKenzie*, 13. Gonzalo Tiesi*, 12. Sonny Parker*, 11. Nick Scott, 10. Gavin Henson*, 9. Alex Davies, 1. Franck Montanella*, 2. Neil Briggs, 3. Paulica Ion*, 4. Jonathan Mills (C), 5. Matt Corker, 6. Adam Balding, 7. Julio Cabello*, 8. Ed Jackson.

Replacements: 16. Greg Bateman, 17. Tom Bristow, 18. James Tideswell, 19. Kirill Kulemin*, 20. Michael Hills, 21. Tyson Keats, 22. Gordon Ross*, 23. Seb Jewell

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: sportbilly42 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/02/2013 12:58

phwoar..... (or something like that) Strong team put together for 'The Crunch'... although looking at their line up which includes Richie Gray we might be in for a good closely fought contest..



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Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Oxfordwelsh (IP Logged)
Date: 15/02/2013 13:12

interesting/brave decision on the Henson/Ross start - bring on Sunday!

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/02/2013 15:11

strong bench - they'll be needed too when conditions will be at their roughest, especially underfoot.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/02/2013 23:28

Leaving aside the absence of Hudson - whose place at centre is now contested - this must be the strongest side (on paper, anyway) put out this season. Let's hope it fires on all cylinders. The weight - and age/experience - advantage in the forwards should pay off. Time for some tries, but a win in any style will do.



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Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 01:43

definitely agree I think that is pretty much our strongest, available 23, very canny starting with AD at 9,and Ross on the bench, gives us options come the switch.
Also plenty of versatility up front.
If fit Henson is the right pick at 10. Much as I love Gordon Ross and can't praise him enough for all he has done this season, if Gav is anywhere near firing he will control our shape and has the ability to create something for us.
My only gripe is I would probably have started Seb over Sonny, but fully understand that they will probably swap at some point during the game.



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Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: eddie57 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 11:21

[www.guardian.co.uk]

interesting article on tomorrow's match in today's Guardian.

fingers crossed for tomorrow. i'll be there and hope to continue my 100% winning record this season

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 12:21

Counter balanced by The Spinster's piece on Sale in the Times today.
Be perfectly happy with a 3-0 win tomorrow, but suspect a try may be crucial in a scrappy game.
Very wary of Braid, a fine player indeed, less worried about Gray, especially if he plays in 6N mode.
Not convinced by the starting half back pairing for LW. Though Henson may well be stirred by the sight of Cipriani in opposition. And would have prefered Jewell in for Parker. But then I haven't been at training all week so have no idea which combinations have worked.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 13:01

I wonder when we last fielded 9 internationals in the LW squad ??

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Y Drenewydd (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 13:09

If they tink writing an erudite article like that is going to make be buy The Gruniad they are mistaken. !

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 14:19

Quote:
Newest Sir Benfro
I wonder when we last fielded 9 internationals in the LW squad ??

Over to you Mark

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: londonbound (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 16:13

Irish lose at Baff!

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 17:10

wuss lose at home.....it's on!

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Y Drenewydd (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 18:01

For anyone still (Sm159) from the meteroids.........Exeter lose to Sarries...............game on !

Tomorrows Game
Posted by: metalman (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 19:35

With irish and wuss losing the game tomorrow is now even bigger for both teams! Will be nail biting but should be a cracking game!

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 20:18

don't care if it's flat as a fart....the win is paramount.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: oxford wizard (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 20:42

I've got this gut feeling, it's going to be a good day for us.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: metalman (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 21:08

tried to start a new thread about tomorrows game but yet again dragons den moves it! Time to give up! this thread is a preview which mark does for every game very well, my thread was about the game tomorrow to encourage new posts based on todays results as i have said before you will not encourage posters to read through long previews when you want to talk about the game tomorrow which I think was my thread! C ya

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: paddytaf (IP Logged)
Date: 16/02/2013 21:42

Very good point metalman. I have made a reference to tomorrows game on another post. As you quite rightly say it would be interesting to know how all the fans from both corners view tomorrows oh so very important game. "C'MON YOU WELSH" PADDYTAF.



"GIVE THEM NO BALL OR BAD BALL WELSH"

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 10:05

Mark's preview disappeared seemingly?

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 16:56

Listening online. Incredibly close match. Will the LBP be useful or will the failure to take 4 points come back to haunt?

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Lwelsh1994 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 17:01

I'm not one to blame the ref but Doyle is terriable and potentially cost us the game! Fuming

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: sportbilly42 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 18:02

A couple more of those 'overly ambitious' kicks for goal from Gavin (which didn't come off) that Ross might have elected to kick to touch for... Great when they come off but when they fall short you think "ARRRGHGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!"

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 18:22

Att: 4,082 according to Sporting Life

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Verd (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 18:30

Game there for the taking, but some handling errors, wrong options, a shambles in defence just after half time & some dodgy ref decisions (how can an attacking scrum in their half where we were pushing them back before it wheeled & they were coming off bind result in a penalty to the defending side?) did for us.

Its going to be very difficult now, but not impossible. Pass the red wine, I need some comforting.....

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 19:06

Can only assume that Nick Scott wasn't aware he had a man outside him. I can understand him coming infield to take the tackle if it means greater chance of support arriving, but if he'd only looked over his left shoulder...

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Bucks Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 19:14

From the travelling support, thank you for your welcome and putting up with us in the South stand.

The result could have gone either way. Little consolation I know but you made it a great game and returning the ball with passion & no little skill.

Gavin deserved his MotM. That pop pass for your try in front of us.... a thing of beauty.

Good luck in the rest of the season.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 20:49

Agreed the ref bottled the scrums totally... And probably should have yellow carded one of them for the blatant killing the ball in H1.

Gutted

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 21:00

Twice Welsh were in control of the match and twice it slipped away. Poor defence gave away tries for sure, but dear old JP Doyle lost the plot in the last 15 minutes when Welsh were on the wrong side of just about every call [ including that disgraceful shout in their 22 with Sale mangled and in complete disarray were awarded a penalty].

Incidentally poor stuff on the ITV 'highlights' - lousy edit, crap comms, and as for the double glazing man.....

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Ian H (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 21:52

Not too happy with the Golden One
joking with the double glazing salesman
at the end of the game....
Still, fat lady not started her scales
as yet, let alone a full blown song...

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Newest Sir Benfro (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 21:53

Not also sure how Sale can field a player who it seems has failed a drugs test and faces a 2 year ban! Hardly going to do a lot for the image of the game IMHO.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Tenorshark (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 21:59

Quote:
Newest Sir Benfro
Not also sure how Sale can field a player who it seems has failed a drugs test and faces a 2 year ban! Hardly going to do a lot for the image of the game IMHO.

Take it up with the IRB/RFU. If he's available for selection Sale have the right to us him

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 23:24

Quote:
sweeney21
Quote:
Newest Sir Benfro
Not also sure how Sale can field a player who it seems has failed a drugs test and faces a 2 year ban! Hardly going to do a lot for the image of the game IMHO.

Take it up with the IRB/RFU. If he's available for selection Sale have the right to us him

Yes fair enough but we all know he is going down,as has been explained.

won't quote on anything else until i have watched the game again, first impression was that we lost the game but played better.



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Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: dottigirl (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2013 01:05

That was a game where we outclassed the opposition in all facets, but they made two lucky scores and got on the good side of the ref.


(This may be slightly biased but hey ho...)

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2013 07:18

Yep plenty of dubious calls by the ref , but IMHO the crucial refereeing decision was bottled by the linesman and led to their last penalty.
I watched the Quins/Tigers game on Saturday now there was a linesman that should be teaching the others, wake up you are supposed to be part of the refereeing team, not just the refs puppet.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2013 09:11

There was definitely some communication between the TJ and ref over that incident, Chappers. Seemed to me that Doyle was asking for confirmation and the TJ was just assuring him that there was no knock-on, despite the fact that all of the supporters were sure and Doyle himself suspected that the ball had gone forward off a Sale hand.

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: Lwelsh1994 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2013 10:17

Quote:
dottigirl
That was a game where we outclassed the opposition in all facets, but they made two lucky scores and got on the good side of the ref.

(This may be slightly biased but hey ho...)
Outclassed? Were you watching the same game as me?

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2013 10:21

Read The Thunderer today Welsh had 'more possession than they knew what to do with...superiority proven...by Alex Davies' goalkicking.'

Re: London Welsh v Sale Sharks Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 18/02/2013 16:48

Quote:
Mark W-J
There was definitely some communication between the TJ and ref over that incident, Chappers. Seemed to me that Doyle was asking for confirmation and the TJ was just assuring him that there was no knock-on, despite the fact that all of the supporters were sure and Doyle himself suspected that the ball had gone forward off a Sale hand.

Yes just watched the replay and the linesman says I didn't see a knock on.
From what I remember it was actually really a forward pass as a second Sale player coming forward caught it.
It happened right in front of the linesman and as you said everyone in the crowd saw it.
Unfortunately the camera angle is on the wrong side to be able to see it on the replay.
Still Sale took all their chances bar the penalty they refused and we squandered enogh chances to have probably won the game twice over, once again let down by handling errors.

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