Gloucester v London Welsh Preview


By Mark W-J
March 21 2013

After the excitement of the last two rounds of the Six Nations we return to our domestic struggles once again this weekend.  Off-field events have seen Welsh drop to the foot of the table during the two-week break, although with an appeal scheduled to be heard later this week, who knows what the position will be as we try to ensure our Premiership survival where it really matters - on the pitch.




London Welsh fans won’t need reminding that their team have now lost seven consecutive Premiership matches in a sequence stretching back to the beginning of December, when we beat London Irish at Oxford.  That equals the worst run in the top flight this season, set by Sale between the opening round and the first weekend of November, when they also recorded a home win over London Irish.  So this is probably not a good time to mention that our fellow Exiles have only recorded one win away from home this season, and that was at Kingsholm in round thirteen.   That was Gloucester’s second home defeat of the current campaign, following a 19-24 defeat to Northampton on the opening weekend, and with a further five defeats and a draw from their nine away games they sit fifth in the table after seventeen rounds, three points adrift of the Saints and ahead of Wasps on points difference.  However, Gloucester are the only Premiership club to have collected at least a point from each of their games this season, with all seven defeats being by a margin of seven points or fewer.  The Cherry & Whites were in a similarly strong position at the same stage of last season, but somehow contrived to lose their last six games, including home defeats to Exeter and Newcastle and a 52-18 drubbing at the Madejski on the final weekend, thereby slipping to ninth place - their worst finish since 1998-98 - and missing out on a Heineken Cup spot.  They won all six pool games in the Amlin this season, including home-and-away victories over the Irish, and will entertain holders Biarritz in the quarter-finals on Thursday 4th April.

 


Welsh compete for lineout ball
against Saracens 

 

Earlier this week Gloucester winger Jonny May collected his award for Premiership Player of the Month for February.  He returned to the 1st XV after a four month injury-enforced absence with two Challenge Cup appearances in January, and has since scored four tries in as many Premiership appearances.  He was also instrumental in the decisive score as Worcester were beaten 29-23 at Kingsholm four weeks ago, as it was a trip by former London Welsh Errie Claassens on the flying winger that brought about a last-minute penalty try.  May is one of a number of young English backs in the squad whom many observers feel should be playing for England in the not-too-distant future.  Billy Twelvetrees won his first cap in the opening round of this year’s Six Nations, scoring a debut try against Scotland and making three further appearances, while Freddie Burns was an unused replacement upon his return from injury against Italy after making his debut in the win over New Zealand in the autumn.  With No.8 Ben Morgan also missing due to an injury picked-up in the Calcutta Cup match, Gloucester’s stand-out performer in the tournament was their club captain, Scotland lock Jim Hamilton.  Voted Man of the Match against Ireland for a typically cussed performance which showcased his true strengths - being a niggling pain in the backside to anybody in the opposition jersey - he’s being talked about as a possible British Lion this summer.  He’s already announced that he will be moving on to pastures new at the end of the season, with Montpelier strongly rumoured to be his destination, and the club have moved to replace his this week with the signing of James Hudson from Newcastle.

There is an argument - and fans of Harlequins or Saracens may disagree - for saying that Gloucester have the finest back division this side of the Severn Bridge, with the likes of May, Twelvetrees and Burns being joined by Charlie Sharples, Henry Trinder, Shane Monahan and the old warhorse, James Simpson-Daniel.  Sharples started the 2008-09 season on-loan at Moseley, scoring seven tries in the opening seven rounds, despite only turning 19 a fortnight before the start of the league campaign; he went on to win his first cap as a replacement in a World Cup warm-up game with Wales at Twickenham in 2011, making his first start in Paris in last year’s Six Nations and scoring two tries against Fiji in the first of this season’s autumn internationals.  It must be galling for almost every English winger in the Premiership to see the national side score one try in their last four matches yet persist in selecting one winger who is so hopelessly out of form and lacking in confidence and another who is a full-back playing out of position. Twelvetrees, Monahan, Tongan flanker Sione Kalamafoni and ex-Pirates pair Drew Locke and Rob Cook will all be familiar to London Welsh players and supporters - all have tormented us in the Championship in recent years, with Cook in particular being arguably the best player on the pitch over the two legs of the play-of final.  His kicking routine may look like a bizarre internet dance craze, but it’s extremely effective, with 48 points gathered in the last four games since he took over as frontline goalkicker in Burns’ absence.
 


Charlie Sharples - 19 apopearances this season
and 230 since his 2007/08 debut

 

Burns is the Premiership’s fourth-highest scorer this season with 187, behind Nick Evans (201), Charlie Hodgson (195) and Andy Goode (192) although nobody can better his 49 penalties.  Gloucester have scored 30 tries (the Premiership’s best is 40 by Leicester; the worst 19 by London Welsh) and conceded 29 (Saracens 17; London Welsh 48), but in the final 20 minutes of games they have scored 12 and conceded just three.  Their joint-top try scorers are Akapusi Qera - another player plucked from the lower leagues following a successful spell with Birmingham Solihull (then known as Pertemps Bees) in 2006-07 - and Jonny May with four apiece - the same as Phil Mackenzie.



February's AP Player of the Month
Jonny May in action against Wasps 

 

As London Welsh look to bring an end to our longest losing streak in the league since we lost nine in a row from 14th October to 9th December 2006, so Lyn Jones has one final crack at getting one over on his fellow Welshmen in the Premiership’s dugouts.  Dai Young’s Wasps are the only club who have taken the maximum ten points from our home-and-away fixtures while simultaneously denying us so much as a losing bonus point, while Nigel Davies’ Cherry & Whites saw an 18-9 half-time lead become a 25-21 deficit just after the hour mark at the Kassam at the end of September, before replacement prop Shaun Knight’s first ever league try - in a career which has taken in the Championship with Moseley, National One with Cinderford and the Magners League with Edinburgh, as well as two U20 Six Nations campaigns - saw them scrape home 31-25.  We also suffered a 46-20 reverse at Kingsholm in the LV Cup in November, although the two teams showed significant changes compared to the line-ups in the league encounter seven weeks previously.  Our lack of depth relative to the more established Premiership clubs was emphasised by the appearance of London Scottish loanee Jamie Stephenson as scrum-half, while his opposite number was Jimmy Cowan, a World Cup winner with 51 caps for New Zealand.

Bizarrely, both Welsh and Sale play (in alphabetical order) Bath, Gloucester, London Irish and Northampton in the next four rounds of matches.  The Irish are looking like they should be safe from the drop this season, and a home win in the (delayed) St Patrick’s Day fixture on Sunday over Worcester - the only side who haven’t won away from home in the Premiership this term - should bring mathematical certainty a step closer.  Bath have won only once on their travels - at Sixways on the opening weekend - and while we certainly benefitted from their travel sickness in November we need them to do us a massive favour on Friday night.  A lot of the neutrals still want to see London Welsh survive the drop - the general feeling is that a new team, new venue and new supporters bring some welcome colour to the competition - but recent events in the courtrooms have seen some of that goodwill evaporate.  We won many plaudits in defeat at Saracens last time out, and you have to hope that the off-field shenanigans have given the players extra impetus to prove the naysayers wrong, just as they did in last year’s play-offs and the opening months of the current campaign.  Winning friends isn’t going to be enough - we need to start winning matches.

Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: The Dragons' Den (IP Logged)
Date: 21/03/2013 09:47

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Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 21/03/2013 10:03

Match official news from the South East:

Referee: Martin Fox
Assistant referee 1: Andrew Watson
Assistant Referee 2: Paul Dix
4th Official: Matthew Peters
Assessor: Nigel Yates

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 22/03/2013 12:08

Apparently there's a game at Gloucester tomorrow....

15. Seb Jewell, 14. Phil MacKenzie*, 13. Gonzalo Tiesi*, 12. Sonny Parker*, 11. Seb Stegmann, 10. Gavin Henson*, 9. Tyson Keats, 1. Tom Bristow, 2. Greg Dan George, 3. James Tideswell, 4. Jonathan Mills (C), 5. Kirill Kulemin*, 6. Julio Cabello Farias*, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Daniel Browne.

Replacements: 16. Greg Bateman, 17. Billy Moss, 18. Arthur Joly, 19. Matt Corker, 20. Adam Balding, 21. Alex Davies, 22. Gordon Ross*, 23. Nick Scott.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 22/03/2013 12:15

Apparently Tom arscott is injured, now pardon me if I seem a little sceptical, but in all honesty does he really have any interest in us doing well. I reckon he has played his last for us.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 22/03/2013 12:23

Gloucester Rugby:

Rob Cook; Charlie Sharples, Mike Tindall, Billy Twelvetrees, Jonny May; Freddie Burns, Dan Robson; Nick Wood, Huia Edmonds, Shaun Knight; Jim Hamilton (capt), Will James; Peter Buxton; Andy Hazell, Sione Kalamafoni

Replacements:

Koree Britton, Yann Thomas, Dario Chistolini, Tom Savage, Akapusi Qera, Dave Lewis, Henry Trinder, Martyn Thomas

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Mark W-J (IP Logged)
Date: 22/03/2013 13:29

Do we have any idea when Hudson is likely to be back? I thought that March/ April was the original estimate.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 22/03/2013 16:04

Absolutely we could really do with a big centre right now, I thought Tiesi was supposed to be that man, he has been safe and steady but not regularly crossing the gain line like we need.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 09:23

nld, I thought it was announced Sonny was benched and Hudson's up?

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: llewelyn (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 12:54

Live coverage on BBC Radio Gloucestershire - link :

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Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 13:06

Quote:
DanFW3
nld, I thought it was announced Sonny was benched and Hudson's up?

Think it was the return of Tiesi at outside centre and Parker moving to 12.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 17:18

Tough.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: johntywyn (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 17:28

One point is better than nil. Why did Gavin Henson drop out ??

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 17:29

calf again

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 19:47

A bonus point from that game seems like another bitter disappointment.
Once again lack of concentration, ill discipline and naivety did for us again, maybe combined with some tactical mistakes by Lyn.
It seems it all slipped away once again about halfway through the second half.I think switching the front row around was probably a mistake. I know it's hard work and the boys get tired and I know we weren't exactly setting the scrums alight but come the switch around we were getting mullered.
The real turning point seemed to bea scrum we had down their half about 15 mins from the end , the boys seemed to be playing for time, I think the scrum had been reset twice already , then they just completely pushed us off our own ball. From then on it was penalties to them every scrum.
Up until then we had done fairly well going through the phases taking our chances and breaks when they presented and picking up our fair share of penalties, we were outdoing or at least matching them at that game(admitedly it wasn't pretty).
We really need to learn how to close a game out and play that safe uninspiring penalty free game. That would have seen us with points from this game and the Sale game.
Still another chance next weekend at Bath who were also very un inspiring yesterday.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: nld (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 20:17

Lyn post-match:

"When I joined London Welsh I said there wasn't an experience in rugby that I hadn't come across, but I was wrong. What is going on is another test that is energy-sapping," said Jones.

"We just to try to keep our focus on what we can influence, which is results and the scoreboard. We need to keep believing.

"When you are a professional sportsman, 80 per cent of the time is dealing with rejection and disappointment, and you have to have a mental toughness to deal with that.

"We need to turn up next Saturday at Bath and do the best we can, and then likewise against Northampton, London Irish and Worcester. Can we win the four games? Potentially, we can.

"It was a huge effort from the players. They gave it 100 per cent. We are adapting to the standard week by week. It is a challenging standard and quite unforgiving when you make errors. We were committed, and there was lots of good in our game.

"What is getting clearer is how many games we do need to win. We've always said we need to win six to have a chance of finishing in the top 11, and we'll keep trucking and plugging away."

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: TC08 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/03/2013 21:37

Lyn's right. We can win the next four games, if we show the same commitment and skill that we did today. We need to believe that we can, and play with just a little more composure.

We outplayed Gloucester for most of the match today and deserved a win. But Gloucester fought back ferociously and their greater experience eventually paid off.

But if Gordon's conversion attempt hadn't hit the post........or we hadn't lost ground and eventually conceded a penalty after 40 mins at the end of the first half, it could have been so different.

That was our best performance in the Premier to date, and I'm proud to have seen it. More of the same will certainly be enough for at least three more wins, with four a distinct possibility.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/03/2013 13:30

To come within 1 point of a club still trying hard to be in the top four at their ground is pretty good, plus they didn't cross our line and we crossed theirs. LI and Wuss should be easy-peasy by comparison (but we shouldn't underestimate them, especially the former who I think are not wholly safe yet).

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/03/2013 15:00

and still nobody mentions the penalty try that wasn't....oh well no matter, Martin Johnson in the ST does. Johnson, whose pieces are now dreadful characterchures of his former splendid offerings also insists 'you'd be hard pressed to describe the Premiership as a poorer competition without them (LW)' and when Lyn Jones said LW can potentially win their last four games adds the condescending pay off line 'Dream on, Lyn.' But then the old boy is from Leicester. Back to the cricket.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: metalman (IP Logged)
Date: 24/03/2013 22:21

Not sure why anyone would careless what MJ has to say! Good rugby player hopeless manager and thinks the centre of the world is Leicester! I would think most fans would say Welsh have been a good addition to the league we haven't been the whipping boys that everyone expected and have run good teams very close and after yesterdays performance shows we can play in this league and should encourage a nottingham to go for it(bedford have already said they won't go up if they have to leave their home ground).

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: Crug Mawr (IP Logged)
Date: 24/03/2013 22:24

I can't recall a game where Sir has given so many repeated penalties for tacklers not releasing. I found his interpretation questionable at best.

Add to this:

Law 12: Knock-on or Throw forward

12.1 The outcome of a knock-on or throw forward

Sanction: Penalty kick. A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.

A decision avoided.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: adge1 (IP Logged)
Date: 24/03/2013 22:32

'Not sure why anyone would careless what MJ has to say! Good rugby player hopeless manager and thinks the centre of the world is Leicester! '
not the same MJ metalman. Both from Leicester. One could play a bit, the other could write a bit. Now it seems neither can do either.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: metalman (IP Logged)
Date: 24/03/2013 22:32

He made a big call(correct imo) against wuss and bottled it this time!

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: DanFW3 (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 01:21

"That would probably have been otherwise scored" Probably, not possibly. I think the ref judged that right. It wasn't so close to a certainty to be probable, but nearly so.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 08:10

Quote:
Crug Mawr
I can't recall a game where Sir has given so many repeated penalties for tacklers not releasing. I found his interpretation questionable at best.


Totally agree with that, he wasn't giving players much chance, one particularly laughable incident, he gave a penalty for not rolling away against Dan Browne who was squashed under 3 Gloucester players, one of which had gone off his feet which completely ensured there was no escape.
The boys played pretty well and hopefully if Bath put in a similar performance to Friday we can get a result there.

You going? Graham, bit of an easier journey this time.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 12:38

Quote:
metalman
(bedford have already said they won't go up if they have to leave their home ground).

But their chairman has pretty much infered that there will be legal challenges over MSC, not sure if he meant in his capacity as Bedford chairman or that of the championship.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: metalman (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 12:47

adage- oops thought it was the player!
Chappers he was speaking as chairman of Bedford(there is a statement on their website) think he is saying if they won they reserve the right to go to the courts about being allowed to play in the ap whilst using goldington road.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 12:51

Quote:
metalman
adage- oops thought it was the player!
Chappers he was speaking as chairman of Bedford(there is a statement on their website) think he is saying if they won they reserve the right to go to the courts about being allowed to play in the ap whilst using goldington road.

I have found the article and believe it is actually with his championship head on, have a look HERE he basically says they will challenge at the first available oppertunity and have told PRL so.

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: metalman (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 13:37

Makes sense to challenge as a whole, if they were to win that one we could play back at ODP!

Re: Gloucester v London Welsh Preview
Posted by: chappers (IP Logged)
Date: 25/03/2013 14:00

Good point , more to the point would LW have reason to sue them for making us move in the first place(not that I am complaining about the move)

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