Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up


By Falcons
December 31 2019

 Falcons have made one change for Friday night’s match against Doncaster Knights, with Gareth Owen coming in for the Greene King IPA Championship clash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

First Match of 2020

 

Newcastle Falcons v Doncaster Knights

Green King Championship

Friday 10th January 2020 - Kick Off 2000 

 

The Welshman replaces Josh Matavesi for the 8pm kick-off at Kingston Park Stadium, Matavesi injuring his calf in the bonus-point victory away to Ealing Trailfinders.   That result handed the unbeaten Falcons an eight-point lead at the top of the table, Newcastle’s side remaining otherwise unchanged as they set out in search of a third victory over Doncaster this season.  Full Preview on Offy site Here 

 

Doncater Knights Captain for tomorrow’s game Matt Challinor spoke earlier in the week about embracing the challenge of facing the unbeaten Newcastle side.  

 “I think you’ve got to enjoy it, they are a quality side with quality individuals. 

They haven’t lost at home, but you can go into the game thinking you’re up against it or you can embrace it, we know it is a big challenge, but that is what we are looking to do.”

Also in the news Doncater Knights Clive Griffiths Director of Rugby is bowing out - After almost nine seasons in charge as Director of Rugby, it is with great sadness but also immense pride that I will say farewell to Doncaster Knights Rugby Club in May 2020. 

 

Newcastle Falcons:  15 Tom Arscott, 14 Adam Radwan, 13 George Wacokecoke, 12 Gareth Owen, 11 Sinoti Sinoti, 10 Toby Flood, 9 Sonatane Takulua,1 Trevor Davison, 2 George McGuigan (captain), 3 Logovi'i Mulipola, 4 Darren Barry, 5 Sean Robinson, 6 Will Welch, 7 ohn Hardie,8 Gary Graham  

Replacements: 16 Jamie Blamire, 17 Sam Lockwood, 18 Mark Tampin, 19 Greg Peterson, 20 Nemani Nagusa, 21 Michael Young, 22 Joel Hodgson, 23 Ben Stevenson 

 

Doncaster Knights: 15 Steve McColl, 14 Howard Packman, 13 Lloyd Hayes, 12 Charlie Foley, 11 Tyson Lewis, 10 Sam Olver, 9 Tom James, 1 Marc Thomas, 2 Will Holling, 3 Andrew Foster, 4 Matt Challinor (captain), 5 Rory Pitman, 6 Tom Calladine, 7 Wian Conradie, 8 Ollie Stedman, 

Replacements, 16 George Edgson, 17 Colin Quigley, 18 Joe Sproston, 19 Morgan Eames, 20 Fotu Lokotui, 21 Sam Pocklington, 22 Cameron Cowell, 23 Kyle Evans

 

Referee: Hamish Smales

 

 

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Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
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Date: 09/01/2020 17:36

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Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: toastie1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/01/2020 20:48

Where's Rodney?

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
Date: 09/01/2020 21:21

A strong looking team
Letís hope the weather doesnít play up and we can watch a good game if rugby tomorrow night

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 13:04

Good side, think the weather is due to be cold & clear

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 14:14

No disrespect to Donny but this should be a comfortable BP win , i'm just looking forward to being at a game , seems like its been ages.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: The Boyfriend (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 22:23

Well, a win is a win, and we got the bonus point, but...that was still pretty dreadful.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 22:32

Well i said id be more positive and not be critical constantly ..so......yeay...we won. Ill leave it there.

On another note, in all the years ive gone to KP...i think that was the coldest ive ever been. That was a Siberian wind ploughing through!!!

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 22:36

Fitness and defence won us another game
Too many mistakes, set piece not great, maul seems our best attacking option
I could copy and paste this from most weeks

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: AJfalc (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 22:50

People near me missed the odd try because they were chatting and not watching the game - says it all.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: JustAnotherOnlooker (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:12

Flood about as useful as a Chocolate teapot. Even in the Championship he looks past it. No idea why we didn't bin him off at the end of last season and just have Hodgson, Swiel and Connon on rotation for this season.

Set pieces still look mediocre. Our scrum is anxiety inducing.

Takalua, Arscott, Graham, Sinoti and Radwan are the only players tonight who looked anywhere remotely Premiership quality. McGuigan and Wacokecoke looked decent too.

Another expample as to why we'll go up but we won't stay up.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: aidanb (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:21

Quote:
GeordieFalcon
Well i said id be more positive and not be critical constantly ..so......yeay...we won. Ill leave it there.
On another note, in all the years ive gone to KP...i think that was the coldest ive ever been. That was a Siberian wind ploughing through!!!

South stand near the west stand was positively balmy.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Wensleydale Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:25

Another banana skin avoided tonight against a very robust Doncaster side.....playing their cup final.
Came to try and rough us up and really got away with some pretty cynical stuff at times.
Always going to have to odd handling errors in those conditions and I though that we we extremely solid throughout the team.
Defensively very, very strong and maybe started to over play too much once we had established a commanding lead.

Bonus point win in the bag and move on to next week.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Rafpilot2000 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:31

I guess there is something satisfying about being able to criticise a bonus point win.
As a genuine question , is it reasonable to expect any team to be able to play Ďpremiershipí rugby in the Ďchampionshipí? Presumably the best you can aspire to is playing the best Ďchampionshipí rugby in the Ďchampionshipí . Iím
Guessing that whilst we would get annihilated by Saracens or Exeter at present 8 from 8 must mean something?
I fully agree that thereís a lot to improve on but presumably we can still go away happy a celebrate a win with a pint? If we canít Iím guessing next season will be pretty miserable

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: falcons_fan (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:48

Blaming Toby Flood for everything is getting a little pathetic to be honest. He is the only leader / captain on the pitch and seems the glue that is holding everything together - without him we would be a lot worse. Solution regarding kicking is just let Takulua be the number 1 goal kicker. Flood could of scored two tries in the first half if they actually got the ball to him - there was that much space and time he could have ran scored come back and done it again but by the time the ball was given to him Doncaster had realised there was a wide open gap and the pass was dropped as Flood was expecting it about ten minutes sooner.

McGuigan our so called captain doesnt want to know. Flood goes off and the organisation falls apart and we concede the try.

Mulipola? What did our International Prop do against Doncaster tonight? Nothing yet again. A player of that calibre should be pushing them around everywhere. Back row completely useless as well and handling skills well lets not go there.

HOWEVER - we can always use the strong wind as an excuse and at the end of the day these players have had no competitive rugby for 3 weeks which you would think Championship rugby over the festive period would attract more spectators.

I have seen more pride, competition, quality and passion in National League 1 this year watching Darlington Mowden Park than is on offer in the Championship. If this is Championship rugby then ring fencing cant come soon enough as the levels of rugby are an absolute joke (I actually think it is worse than National League 1).

Anyway another bonus point win, another step closer to the end of the years detention period and i think we need 23 players minimum for survival in the premiership.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:49

Same old same, old from the Falcons. 15 minute hot spell with 4 tries scored. Mediocre the rest of the time.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Wensleydale Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 10/01/2020 23:58

The gap between National 1 and the Championship is absolutely huge (Yorkshire Carnegie aside)

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Rogerandout (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 00:04

The pattern is quite obvious. We grind away in the first half without the ball. Our superior defence, fitness and athleticism allows us to stretch the lead later in the game.
Set piece remains a disappointment. Flood attracts a lot of criticism. I donít know if I am missing something which our coaches see in his game management. One area where I am definitely not missing something is his kicking. It is not on the same planet as that of Takulua and Hodgson. On that basis why on earth is he the first choice kicker.
The most yards every week must be made by Graham, Radwan, Wakakeoke and Stevenson.
Three of that four wouldnít have been trusted last year.
I oscillate between thinking we are knackered next year and that we have a plan and will lose the older deadwood sign some quality and release the youth. I also feel like an idiot for criticising all these victories.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 00:13

Goalkicking yesterday: Flood one from five (and that was right in front of the posts), others three from three.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Osric (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 08:22

It was fresh in the N Stand. The ref wasn't great, allowing numerous offsides and red zone infringements to go unpunished. We won. Look at the table.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 09:09

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alas
Same old same, old from the Falcons. 15 minute hot spell with 4 tries scored. Mediocre the rest of the time.

Same old same old. Another win. Doncaster came out hoying the kitchen sink. Falcons defence held steady so after a dominant first quarter the Knights had just three points. Some knock-ons and missed passes were indicative of the holiday matchless spell. Wind didn't help kicking.

Sorry. I still can't stop being positive.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Running Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 09:23

Decent win, but lots of things to work on through the week. Impressed with George Wacokecoke , who looks like a real potentially top class player.

Question, where is Callum Chick? Doesn't seem to have featured much this season, or is it just me missing his name on the team sheets?

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Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 09:31


Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: The Boyfriend (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 09:35

Two of Flood's kicks towards the South posts were just stopped dead in the air by the wind, way short of the mark; not much anyone could have done about that, I guess. But as I said in the other thread, the huge cheer that went up as he went off and Hodgson came on, was very telling.

I was amazed actually at how positive Deano's post-match stance was.

Let's be glad we still won, assume everyone was carrying some Christmas turkey, and hope for better next time...

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 09:38

Sorry Dick, no excuse for full time players dropping the ball or missing passes, surely thatís what training is for in those three weeks. (Unless itís weather induced dropping the ball)

All in all another step closer to the holy grail however, and Radders got another two.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Monkey1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 09:44

Blaming Flood for missing the kicks at sticks in the first half is downright childish. The posts were bent sideways, he was kicking straight towards the gap where the wind was ripping through, and from quite a distance. Before the first one I even said I would eat my hat if the ball got anywhere near the posts.

Second half, Donny had a kick from the same spot & the wind had almost vanished. I would love to know how they managed to arrange that.
(Sm100)

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: alas (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 10:04

A kicker that can't deal with windy conditions isn't much use at KP. None of the kicks Flood missed were struck well and he's been striking the ball badly most of the season.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: telfs123 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 10:20

The problem with our current tactics is they will be utterly ineffective in the Prem. You canít wait for your superior fitness to tell next year. Youíll be waiting a long time (especially as we are regularly one of the least fit teams in the Prem).
Plus a tactic of sitting back and absorbing the pressure like we did for most of the first half is an excellent way to concede a bonus point in 40 minutes next year.

As I said on another thread, Flood is an excellent bloke. He gets far too much stick on here, he was an absolute warrior last season, and heís doing his best. The problem is, he just can not operate at a speed required for a high paced attack, and that was compounded last night by having Owen at 12, which slowed everything down even more. Iím totally fine with having Toby on the bench to come on if Hodgson or Haydon-Wood is having a shocker, kick the corners, play sensible. But the sensible kick the corner game should not be plan A.

The current rugby Falcons are producing is woeful to watch, is worryingly lacking in basic skills and is featuring players that are not the future of this team. And the most concerning part of it is that Deano seems happy about it.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 10:27

Look the bottom line this season is yes we're winning. I would rather see the "there are things to improve" actually improving but wins are what matters most and promotion is the be all and end all.

However theres a huge job to do when we go up though. Key positions need investment, the set piece needs overhauled etc.

We may be lucky that ring fencing comes in because i honestly think if we continue as we are...we wont be in the prem long.



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Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 10:40

Thatís a pretty depressing summation Telfs and sadly canít really disagree with any of it.

As I said on the other thread, Iíd like to see a Hayden-Wood / Flood combo for a large chunk of the remainder of the season, if H-W finishes the season with barely a bit part played it will be a colossal wasted opportunity.

I know Iíll get a kicking for this but playing a 32 yo non EQP in the centres last night is another wasted opportunity.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:03

Telfs.....you have summed it up exactly as I feel.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: pityacker (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:06

Itís amazing that despite the long winning run Falcons get slated for their performances but itís fully justified IMHO. As said in an earlier post most games have been woeful for the paying spectators to watch and most peopleís thoughts are what will happen if/when we get promoted , huge investment in the present squad will be required for it to be a mid table premier team and I canít believe that Semore doesnít recognise this but where do they go from here ??

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:14

The problem is...that i dont see any difference from the style of rugby that got us relegated.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: falcons_fan (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:14

The lack of regular competitive rugby is not helping especially for the A team as the Premiership Shield is a miss, not to mention the European competition that would help to bring on the younger players as the standard is so much higher than playing Scottish second division reserve teams. Relegated Premiership teams should still be able to take part in the A league surely especially if the Championship teams cant provide A team competition as this would have helped dramatically this season for a lot of Falcons players.

Ater the last 14/15 months when the negativity started it is obvious that Dean Richards isnt going anywhere and it is also obvious that the style of play isnt going to change as it is winning us every game (even though it is horrific to watch). So what is the solution - well the only solution i can see now is to hope that we can wrap up this league asap to give the maximum time for recruitment (to be able to attract the players we want) for next year. I think the best and most positive situation is to go undefeated, wrap this up by March 28th (after Ealing game) which would give us the final five games to able to sort out the dead wood in the squad and look to the future without having to care about the league.

I am sure Semore will come up with the goods given what we have lost over the last two years and please no more of these Owen type signings as they are really not worth it as we have better in the academy already.



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Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Rafpilot2000 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:43

Telfs , spot on.
That said, if we are being brutally honest , where do we actually expect (rather than aspire) see ourselves being in the premiership? Given our Budget, crowd attendance , infrastructure and geographical as well as demographical location, do we expect/deserve to be in a top 4 play off spot? Top 6?
We got dumped out of the premiership unceremoniously with a squad that has been dismantled with some of our best players applying their trade elsewhere this season .
Itís fair to say our team for next year will have few similarities to the one we are fielding this year but the brief to Deano was presumably simple at the start of the season and with 8 from 8 in the Championship with bonus points along the way , that must put us on track.
Yes I would love to see us fielding world class players but that realistically isnít going to happen. I would love to be watching us annihilate Championship teams 100-0 whilst playing top class premiership rugby this season but that is equally unrealistic . Iím frustrated with us getting the simple things wrong but impressed with our fortitude in grinding out results and getting the chance to see youngsters pull on the black shirt and prove their worth .
Whilst many are downbeat , I am enjoying seeing our team on a winning run and looking forward to the uncertainty and rollercoaster of life back in the premiership:-)

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Northumbrian (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:46

It was not very good at times, but then I remembered then scraping through against London Scottish (12-9) last time Falcons played in the Championship. So in comparison, this season's going great!

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Rafpilot2000 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 11:56

If we are being truly mercenary then Iím guessing what we should aim for is promotion this season , in time for ring fencing to be announced for the 2020/21 season. Use the first season back to develop the ground, bring on young players and expect to be in the bottom two. With ring fencing in place, players having the assurance of top tier rugby and the club having a stabilised and guaranteed income stream and budget , we should then look to fund a highly competitive long term squad.
I know views on ring fencing are polarised but we would presumably be the biggest beneficiaries and hopefully more money coming into the league and CVC involvement would benefit in the long run

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 12:06

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Rafpilot2000
If we are being truly mercenary then Iím guessing what we should aim for is promotion this season , in time for ring fencing to be announced for the 2020/21 season. Use the first season back to develop the ground, bring on young players and expect to be in the bottom two. With ring fencing in place, players having the assurance of top tier rugby and the club having a stabilised and guaranteed income stream and budget , we should then look to fund a highly competitive long term squad.
I know views on ring fencing are polarised but we would presumably be the biggest beneficiaries and hopefully more money coming into the league and CVC involvement would benefit in the long run

Right on, Raf.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 12:14

Until CVC has bought British rugby's soul and created a British league of which we're excluded.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: stuart66 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 12:42

Exiled Falcon why do you think we would be excluded from a british league when its planed for 14 English teams

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: telfs123 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 13:28

1) I think relying on ring fencing is a really terrible tactic, considering we have no idea if itís coming and if it does, what form will it take.
2) Someone used the phrase missed opportunity. Thatís exactly what this season is becoming. Being relegated sucks. But itís a chance to step back and say, what did we do wrong and who is the future of this club. Based on that, Deano thinks last years tactics werenít wrong and mediocre 30+ year olds are the future. We are squandering a golden opportunity.
3) Someone asked what do we expect. And no Iím not expecting regular top 4 on our budget. All I ask from my rugby team is to be well coached, tactically astute and featuring a majority core of talented home grown players. If we do that and we still get relegated, fine. Thatís just bad luck and would show the Prem has become all about the money. But I honestly believe if we did that, the results would come.

How much more exciting and encouraging would it be if we came out with

N-K/Pascoe
Haydon-Wood
Stevenson
Williams
Wacokecoke
Radwan
Hodge

And said letís do everything at pace, with extremely high basic skills. Letís know our game plan and everyone be confident in it. And weíve got mega experience with Takalua, Flood, Tait etc. on the bench if someone is struggling.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: GeordieFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 14:07

One thing that stuck in my mind from last night and through the season is how often players rum toward the player they are passing to and telegraph the pass...or make the receiver have to jump in the air to catch it.

Thats basics. Its ponderous and predictable.

Toby flood made a coupke of breaks last night off rucks...and the moves failed due to lack of support.

I think the last time I saw any inside line breaks from us was when JP Socino was breaking the gainline for fun.

At the moment and last seaosn etc it bumbles through the hands one way, then back along with the hope that one of the talismen will do something special...which this season has relied on Radwan.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Marco19819 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 17:19

Telfs I agree with you COMPLETELY

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: RiponFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 17:34

It will be interesting to see what team plays against YVC next week. After that will Hodge and Hayden Wood will be unavailable for 6 nations camp and games. I would expect Manu V to get the 10 shirt but can Sarries pull him out from the U20 tournament as he would probably be starting for their first team?

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 18:25

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Exiled Falcon
Sorry Dick, no excuse for full time players dropping the ball or missing passes, surely thatís what training is for in those three weeks. (Unless itís weather induced dropping the ball)
All in all another step closer to the holy grail however, and Radders got another two.

A competitive match is very different from training. My point is that some match-free weeks can take the edge off performance.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: NorfolkFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 19:35

I miss Juan Pablo Socino. Crash ball centre with playmaking skills.

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Posted by: Running Rugby (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 20:41

Spot on Telfs, couldn't agree more. We NEED to wake up, or the coaches and higher ups do, and realise that we are not going to be able to attract the big names anymore, ring fencing or not, as we do not have the finances. But we do have a lot of exciting young players, that are recognised across the age groups to represent their countries.

It just seems strange to me that the current set of coaches/management cannot look past this season, and do not seem to have a long term plan. No more so evidenced but the comings and goings into the first team squad this season.

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Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 22:04

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stuart66
Exiled Falcon why do you think we would be excluded from a british league when its planed for 14 English teams

There will be Welsh, Scottish and presumably Irish teams, assuming at least 8 in total. A division will be no more than 14, where will we fit in, certainly won't be at the top table.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 11/01/2020 23:09

Sorry Stuart, was on the bus so my typing was rubbish...there will be at least 8 teams from the Pro14 and if you say there will be 14 English teams that makes 22. There isnít going to be a 22 team top division so at best weíll be in the second tier. Thatís not particularly appealing to me but then the whole concept of a British and Irish league is singularly unappealing.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Robs (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 00:11

Did Greg Peterson really play 65 minutes v Doncaster on Friday AND start the A team game v Watsonians in Melrose yesterday ?

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Falc Dancer (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 08:32

I think he was withdrawn from the game in Melrose yesterday

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: markismith50 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 09:57

Correct, he was stood down from the A-game. We would never ask a player to play after 65mins the day before. It would be wholly irresponsible.

If the report still has his name in itíll be because I stupidly set up the template the day before then forgot to change it (doh!)



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Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: stuart66 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 10:09

Hi exile falcon the idea is either 2 conferences like the pro14 or 2 tiers. 14 English teams 2scottish 4 irish and 4 welsh =24 and maybe the 2 Italian teams which would be 26. Personally I would find that more appeling than the premiship which I have given up on as a failed experiment.

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Posted by: RiponFalcon (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 10:51

To me the idea of a British league or joining with the Pro 14 sounds similar to the idea of Rangers and Celtic joining the Premiership in football. I can see why they want it but not why the English teams would go for it.
The English games has much more money so why would they agree to share it with more teams particularly if potentially some of the English teams would end up in a second tier as a result. Also in rugby it would potentially damage the European competition as it would be almost no different from the normal league

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Posted by: stuart66 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 11:14

the English professional teams would not like it as they would have too improve from the mediocre levels of the premiship too complete. I think the only country where professional rugby has really worked is france.

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Posted by: stuart66 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 11:20

the English teams are damageing the European club competiton as only sarrys ever took it serious enough.

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Posted by: No.8 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 12:34

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stuart66
the English teams are damageing the European club competiton as only sarrys ever took it serious enough.

Well didn't English teams do well not taking it seriously and still winning it more times than any of nation. Also had more different teams from that nation win it with 5 teams.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: There's 35 seconds to go (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 12:47

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stuart66
the English teams are damageing the European club competiton as only sarrys ever took it serious enough.

Only ones caught cheating to afford it.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: stuart66 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 12:47

in the past yes but only sarrys in recent times

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Posted by: No.8 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 12:56

Only Sarries have been successful but I think other teams have taken it seriously. Northampton made a final in the last 10 years so I assume they were taking it seriously. Only 3 teams have won it in the last 9 years but that doesn't mean others haven't taken it seriously.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: stuart66 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 13:43

the prem rules cause mediocre teams that are uncompetitive outside of the prem. why do people want to pay to watch it i have had enough of it. sarries have been professional in a joke of a league.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 12/01/2020 15:29

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RiponFalcon
To me the idea of a British league or joining with the Pro 14 sounds similar to the idea of Rangers and Celtic joining the Premiership in football. I can see why they want it but not why the English teams would go for it.
The English games has much more money so why would they agree to share it with more teams particularly if potentially some of the English teams would end up in a second tier as a result. Also in rugby it would potentially damage the European competition as it would be almost no different from the normal league

Must admit it boils my proverbial when my Rangers and Celtic supporting mates moan about the English running scarred of these odious teams playing in England as if there is some sort of obligation for the English league system to take them. They wanted nothing to do with the English leagues when it was dire in the 80s yet want a piece of the action now. Same in rugby, the English clubs have no moral or any sort of an obligation to admit any other teams into it just as the French have no obligation to take ours etc etc. I think people would soon get bored of a British and Irish league in the same way the European cups have not some of their appeal.

Ah, I get you Stuart, hadnít thought about the two conferences idea. Still doesnít appeal mind you! I think itís harsh saying the English clubs have damaged European competition, I admit there have been some cringeworthy results (like Saints getting stuffed at home) but remember they are in effect playing Ireland / Scottish National teams or pretty close to them and hugely financed French clubs.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 07:55

I thought the team looked ring rusty for the first twenty minutes or so then settled down and played ok. Nasty conditions, the stand did a great job sheltering us from it so I'm not surprised at the odd dropped pass, etc.

I've been critical of Toby Flood on here, but I'd never abuse him when he's playing, obviously the bloke wearing glasses with a big gob near me in the South Stand didn't feel the same. Very poor in my opinion.

Not worried at all about next year, cross that bridge when we come to it.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: dick g (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 08:35

Right again, Beddy. You are on a roll.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: steve1888 (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 08:41

Cheering when a player is subbed is the same as booing your own team , terrible. Same used to happen to Matt Thompson and Mickey Young but then never the players who were never anyway near as good. Seems like some of our fans need some sort of panto villain each season and shamefully seems to be the local lads that give more than most.

Also we have 37 points from a possible 40 , thats pretty good going whatever and although the rugby is poor at times you can only play what's in front of you.

One thing i do agree with is some of the squad in the championship - Owen , Sinoti, Mulipola , Nagusa aren't needed IMO and dont seem to offer the leadership that Flood and Young do.



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Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 09:30

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dick g
Right again, Beddy. You are on a roll.

Cheers Dick (Sm128)

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Bedlington Lad (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 09:32

"Toby flood made a couple of breaks last night off rucks...and the moves failed due to lack of support."

Yes indeed - I did think our support play was a bit lacking.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Wensleydale Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 09:49

Absolutely agree BL.

I would add to that, as i really believe that we are also playing within ourselves for periods of the games, and then when we need to, we just go up a gear, the last 15 minutes of the first half was an example of this.

As Steve says, 37 points from 40 is a pretty decent return.

Personally i do not think that we will win every game, but as long as we beat the teams around us we will be fine.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Northumbrian (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 18:03

Why a British/Irish league? You might as well just carry on to a European league.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Exiled Falcon (IP Logged)
Date: 13/01/2020 20:30

CVC may see it as a way of maximising their return. Iím perfectly happy with the status quo, warts and all, only time will tell what happens. Itís all purely speculation anyway as far as I know.

Re: Newcastle Falcons v Doncster Knights 10 Jan2020 - Teams Up
Posted by: Barry555 (IP Logged)
Date: 15/01/2020 15:09

As ever I try to be as positive as possible. But that game was pretty dire. Not much punch from our boys. Playing set piece to set piece. Seemed to be a lot of phase play to get to an area of the pitch but then nothing much after that.
Arscott is a different player this year, way more positive influences in games compared to last year. George at 13 as well been outstanding.

Relegated Prem team playing pretty average rugby in the Champ and still no near threats of being defeated..... if thatís a sign for ring fencing I donít know what is.

But hey we are top of the league and undefeated .... long may it continue!

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