Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13


By poorfour
September 20 2012

 So the new season is underway, but it doesn’t feel complete without a Premiership Roadmap by which we can measure our progress. I can’t hope to match Quaking Quin’s erudition on the subject, but by shamelessly studying the tables he’s done in previous years I’ve come up with something that feels about right and is at least a starting point for debate. 

You know the drill by now, but just in case, here’s how it works. While we would all like to see Quins beat all comers, home and away, the reality is that no team can realistically maintain that level of performance over the whole season. In practice, a DoR has to target certain games in terms of intensity of preparation and squad selection. Trying to target every game, fielding your first team players when they’re only 95%, is a recipe for injury, burnout and long term problems as the junior players don’t get the experience they will need to step up. So a canny DoR has the season mapped out. They will have certain games on the “must win” list, others (typically away games against the Top 6) they know they can afford to lose. They will think of the season in blocks of games, and will adjust their strategy based on how each block has gone.

And as we know, Quins have one of the canniest DoRs around. With hindsight, it seems pretty clear that Conor played the roadmap like a maestro last season. Having overseen an opening 10 games that must have exceeded his wildest expectations (if not his KPIs for the team), I am pretty sure that he managed the rest of the season to deliver his team into the playoffs in the best shape possible. The most obvious examples were the Amlin QF against Toulon, where he didn’t risk anyone who was less than 100%, including NEv and Robshaw, and the home defeat to Tigers, where he was all smiles in the interview room, despite the failure to secure even a bonus point.

But Quins arrived at the final able to field their first-choice starting XV for the first and only time that season, and a bench where 6 of the players had seen regular first team action. Compare and contrast with Leicester who, after a dire start to the season, had had to target pretty much every game from the end of the RWC onwards. The freshness of the Quins squad was typified for me by the final scrum, where Marler and JJ saw off Tigers’ second complete international class front row of the day.

One of the things that surprised me in preparing the table is how little things change from year to year. The points required for the key positions were slightly lower than normal, but not so much as to change the targets for this year. 40 points would have seen you safe (and was chosen to be higher than Quins’ total of 38 in 2005, the highest points total by a relegated team), 54 would have been enough for 6th (but not 5th), 62 would have been enough for 4th and 76 was one more than Quins’ 1st place total.

The teams you have to beat remain remarkably consistent, too. Obviously, London Welsh have replaced Newcastle this year, and Wasps and Irish look slightly softer targets than in years past, but the groups of teams you have to beat to achieve each step on the table remain much the same. The one thing that has changed is Quins’ own position. My assumption for the start of the season was that, as reigning champions, other DoRs would target us as the team to beat, but now I am not so sure. DoRs accept that they will lose some games, and target the ones that they are best placed to win. For instance, even to top the table we would only have to take 14 points out of a possible 30 from last year’s other Top 4 teams. Players will target Quins, especially when we visit their grounds. But I am not sure that DoRs will choose to throw all their resources at Quins when there are other, more winnable games to target.

As the season develops, we shall see. The good news is that Quins are by my reckoning already 1 point ahead of the roadmap for first place. And while defeat at Welford Road will always be hard to swallow, the roadmap doesn’t require us to take anything from that visit. Far more important will be beating Saracens at the Stoop the week after.

Anyway, as I said at the top of the article, I’m open to suggestion as to how to improve the roadmap. Have I taken enough account of the International windows, when Quins will be without more players than usual? Have I allowed enough for our traditional January and February hibernation? Would Conor be more likely to target Sale away on 22 Feb than Tigers at home on 16th? Let me know what you think.

Target Points11th6th4th1stActual
DateOpponentWhere?PointsTotalPointsTotalPointsTotalPointsTotalPointsTotal
01-SepWaspsAway1111114455
07-SepLondon WelshHome45565659510
15-SepSale SharksHome49410511514515
22-SepLeicester TigersAway09010011014  
30-SepSaracensHome09111415418  
06-OctExeter ChiefsAway110112116119  
28-OctLondon IrishAway111113420423  
03-NovGloucesterHome112417424427  
24-NovBathAway113118125128  
30-NovWorcesterHome417523530533  
22-DecNorthampton SaintsAway017023030134  
29-DecLondon IrishHome421528535538  
06-JanLondon WelshAway425432439543  
09-FebWaspsHome429436443548  
16-FebLeicester TigersHome029036043452  
22-FebSale SharksAway130137144153  
02-MarExeter ChiefsHome434441549558  
24-MarSaracensAway034041049159  
30-MarGloucesterAway034142150463  
13-AprBathHome438446454467  
20-AprWorcesterAway139450458572  
04-MayNorthampton SaintsHome140454462476  

Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: ComeAllWithin.co.uk (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 11:51

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Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Nigel_B (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 12:06

Well done Poorfour, not an easy task. It's been a good start to the season and it will be interesting to see how things emerge.

I'm hoping that Quins may turnover Exeter at Sandy Park this year but it will be a tight call. I agree that a losing bonus at the Rec is on the cards as it falls within the AIs. If we were at full strength, I'd expect Conor to target that as a must win, it will certainly be good experience for Lambert, Chisholm, Buchanan et al.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Adi Nako (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 12:46

This is great, thank you.

The only slight changes I would make is that I think at the beginning of the season, we might have expected a bonus point win over LI at BG5 as more likely that with Sale at home. Also maybe a normal win against Exeter away would be more likely than a bonus point win at home during the six nations.

I think we may well be up 2 points already!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 13:05

Very helpful, thank you. I'd say that after last weekend we might be able to target Sale away for a win. Good to see that you have anticipated BPs in nearly every "non-win" too; judging by our first three games, that's not unreasonable. Strange thing is, I can't see any games where the boys won't feel confident!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: The Quarter Supporter (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 13:34

Excellent!

I have one comment. For the London Irish home game, you have us down to need 5 points to finish 6th and 4th, but only 4 points to finish 1st. I suspect this may be an error, or am I missing something?

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 15:02

Quote:
The Quarter Supporter
Excellent!
I have one comment. For the London Irish home game, you have us down to need 5 points to finish 6th and 4th, but only 4 points to finish 1st. I suspect this may be an error, or am I missing something?

Yep - someone else spotted that and I have PM'd Prof to fix it. If you look at the totals, it should read 5 rather than 4, but otherwise everything kind of works.

I agree with QK that the team can go into every match with confidence of taking something from it. The real test is this weekend. I can't see Tigers being as subdued as they were against Sarries, especially not at Welford Road. A good showing is a strong message to the rest of the AP. A good shoe-ing would be, too, but not in such a good way.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Quinky Kin (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 16:00

Indeed, we could suffer a backlash from last Saturday's game sad smiley

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Adi Nako (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 16:55

Quote:
Quinky Kin
Indeed, we could suffer a backlash from last Saturday's game sad smiley

I'd be surprised if we didn't... but that doesn't mean that we can't handle it!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Quins4life (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 21:16

I think that Leicester home game will be targeted due to being in the 6N period and they will lose as many/more players than us so could/should be game which we should highlight as at least a 4 pointer, especially visiting sale during the 6N would be considerably tougher in this case

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 20/09/2012 21:21

Historically, we've struggled to beat Leicester anywhere and under any circumstances... I felt that Sale, shorn of their Scots contingent, might be more vulnerable than a Tigers side who will want to maintain a proud record at the Stoop.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2012 23:14

Well, that's me shown. 5 points ahead of the first place roadmap after 4 games.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Nigel_B (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2012 08:29

Having won what is arguably the toughest match of the Season, do we still think Exeter away will be the first loss of the year. I've revised my prediction league to a win for that. Indeed I think the first loss might be at Franklins Gardens on 22 December.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Adi Nako (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2012 09:10

I'm waiting to see how they do against sarries today before making any predictions...

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: The Prof (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2012 20:41

The injuries could have a big impact especially when the internationals go away

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Arlecchino (IP Logged)
Date: 01/10/2012 00:04

On 20 points now. Still ahead of the road map for first

Nunquam Dormio

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 01/10/2012 05:45

My thoughts exactly. We lost one we could have won - but in the equivalent game last season, we were never in it at all. Exeter away next, which is always a tough ask, but I think the real test will be Saints.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Monte (IP Logged)
Date: 01/10/2012 17:14

Thanks for this was getting desperate my bible for the year or rather for the fridge door!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Dorset Viking (IP Logged)
Date: 01/10/2012 19:24

2nd after 5 and ahead of the Roadmap. But...

Next week will be interesting to see where we really are. 15 of our 20 points have come from (current) bottom 4 teams... Not played any of the (current) middle 4, so this should hopefully give a hint.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Adi Nako (IP Logged)
Date: 06/10/2012 17:05

We are still on track, just not ahead any more!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Dorset Viking (IP Logged)
Date: 07/10/2012 18:49

Getting awfully tight at the front... So we're apparently 1 point ahead of roadmap, but we can't rely on staying there just by beating up bottom 4/5...!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Dorset Viking (IP Logged)
Date: 04/11/2012 17:46

poorfour has done amazingly well for the roadmap! BP against Wasps, and swap the Tiggers/Sarries results round - rest of it spot on for 1st place.

If only we could string 80 minutes together... (Sm129)

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 05/11/2012 10:32

Without recalibrating it for other teams' schedules, the points targets are quite instructive looking down the table.

The Top 2 are both on 28 points and 24 is enough for Top 4 - but that doesn't tell the full story at this stage of the season.

What's remarkable is that there's a very clear Top v Bottom divide. Only one point separates 5th from 4th, and only 1 point separates the three teams scrapping for 6th. Matches between any teams in the Top 8 could drive big swings in the table. It looks like being one of the closest seasons for quite a while, and that Quins have been winning without playing well (and have put in two of their better performances against Leicester and - place kicking aside - Sarries) is relatively encouraging.

Below that there's a drop to 9th. Interestingly, the table suggests that while many pundits are still predicting the demise of London Welsh they are actually holding up pretty well. I would be happy to see them stay up, based on the level of ambition in their play.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Edquin (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2012 17:28

Well we are ahead of schedule at the halfway point

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Adi Nako (IP Logged)
Date: 22/12/2012 19:24

I've only just noticed that big game is down as an attempted 5 pointer, but the total score only goes up by 4 points. That's one less bonus point we need.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 00:51

So, we're now only one point behind the target for first place, but the run in looks challenging - we need a string of wins against some pretty good teams to be assured of a home semi. A win away at Sale next week would help, as would Tigers drawing with, or at least beating Sarries.

That run of four wins to finish the season on top looks quite daunting. What do people think?

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: DazzaS (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 06:47

sale are starting to hit form but our players looked much better today than last week so hopefully that will be a win. Exeter are starting to creak a bit and we will be motivated after that dreadful loss in Devon. Saracens have a quick pitch which we can use to our advantage and hopefully we will have our players back from 6 nations. Gloucester I'm nervous abou. KingsHolm is probably the most difficult away ground. The last three I'm hoping are wins which means we top the premiership, win the semi final, travel to Dublin and win the heinken cup, then back to london to retain the premiership. couldnt be simpler!!!!

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: Grins (IP Logged)
Date: 17/02/2013 14:30

Tough but doable. We should be able to win away to Sale. Also, given how close it is this season among the top 6, I wonder if the winner will need 76 points

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: poorfour (IP Logged)
Date: 25/02/2013 11:54

Interesting situation. Quins are now 2 points ahead of the notional target for 1st Place... but Sarries are also probably ahead of their roadmap.

Either way, the next two games are very important. The Sarries game will be the first one in which both teams have their England (and other 6N) contingent back - it may come down to how well they can re-integrate the returning players, and how many walking wounded each team is carrying.

Re: Conor's Premiership Roadmap 2012/13
Posted by: T-Bone (IP Logged)
Date: 25/02/2013 12:30

Last year our top 2 position was beginning to look slightly vulnerable leading up to the game at wembley and that game was massive. Hopefully we can repeat the trick this year.

It's frustrating that we lost those 2 games against sarries and wasps. I know we've probably won games where we didn't necessarily deserve to, or didn't expect to, and other teams have lost games they should have won, but we really should have won both of those games which would have given up a bit more breathing room.

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