Tick tock.


Player?
By WW
June 24 2019

This weekend the fixtures were announced for the Championship next season. Tykes fans will be pleased to know that we start with a home game against Bedford.

All ex-players who support Yorkshire Carnegie will be sat by the phone awaiting a call up from the soon-to-be-announced director of rugby to make one in with the non-existent squad currently not going through pre-season in readiness for the Bedford fixture.

I am not the only one who is wondering just how we are going to fulfill the fixtures that have been announced. Are we going to send out the under 18's? Have we arranged for 23 dual reg players who will turn up at Headingley on matchdays and compete? I have no idea. Anything is possible including the club announcing that it cannot  get a squad together (at some point in the next 8 weeks)

In the meantime the clock is ticking!

pqs: qs:
Tick tock.
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Date: 24/06/2019 18:23

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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 19:16

Thanks for writing this story WW and getting the messageboard back alive again after this afternoon's blackout.

I note on the Harrogate website, the club has denied that David Doherty has applied for a coaching position at Carnegie.

Our only hope is that there is something going on, under cover, with regard to coach and players, but even so it is a desperate hope.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 19:39

I noticed that Nick Mayhew posted on the Carnegie Facebook page inquiring when pre-season is due to start? (Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 24/06/2019 20:03

I meant to ask who the player pictured is - can't recall him. Perhaps he does rugby player kaioke?

Also sorry about my past reference to your cheap boots, you're a saint WW!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: corporalcarrot (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2019 09:59

Keep the faith lads. I hope you can make it work out well and I can look forward to watching matches in the South Stand with the drum beating. All the best CC

Don't kick it pick it up and GO FORWARD

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2019 18:08

Thanks for your kind words CC.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Camquin (IP Logged)
Date: 26/06/2019 21:47

The alternatives appear to be:

- a Leeds side with whoever they can beg,steal or borrow.

- a Richmond side bereft of some of their best players but with a
huge chip on their shoulder / point to prove.

- no game.

At the moment I do not see a good solution. The Leeds fans seem to have been sold a pup. Richmond shafted and rugby short changed.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 08:04

Quote:
Camquin
The alternatives appear to be:
- a Leeds side with whoever they can beg,steal or borrow.

- a Richmond side bereft of some of their best players but with a
huge chip on their shoulder / point to prove.

- no game.

At the moment I do not see a good solution. The Leeds fans seem to have been sold a pup. Richmond shafted and rugby short changed.

Summed up in 65 words. (Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 09:14

Same as last year except it was 30 full time pros and 4 coaches who got us to the bottom of the league table by Christmas. Might be easier this year

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 10:06

I like the way you think!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: 23Shark (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 11:39

As a Sale forum we've got fed up of SportsNetwork and are moving across to an alternative forum - View From The 22

You guys are always welcome to join as it would be good to replicate the SN ability of switching between forums but on a site that isn't as obtrusive and is a lot more user friendly

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Camquin (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 16:36

There was a rumour from rotherhamtillidie on rolling maul that the CVA meeting is tomorrow and creditors are being offered 15p in the pound.

I do not have any other evidence for this.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 27/06/2019 19:27

Sad thing is our people get snapped up by the better sides in the prem etc. Imagine what we go do with our house in order and a bit of cash

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Gelbel (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 09:21

Quote:
Camquin
There was a rumour from rotherhamtillidie on rolling maul that the CVA meeting is tomorrow and creditors are being offered 15p in the pound.
I do not have any other evidence for this.

Jon Newcombe tweeted this - he's been spot on with everything so far... even if he does seem to relish our demise IMHO.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: AnIdiotAbroad (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 10:11

Seems we have some decent CVA and insider knowledge which helps to understand recent developments. Any ideas if the 15p in the £ also includes any Director or other loans or have they been protected/accounted for in a different way? Ask this as I saw somewhere the main CVA creditors are players which sounds odd bearing in mind published accounts and statements re stakeholder loans

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 11:30

Some of the previous information made public indicated that some shareholder/director loans were to be novated, ie taken on by a different party. I suspect that Keith Howard and Jon Wright are doing this for some of those who have a lesser exposure and don't want to take the haircut.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: oopnorth (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 15:57

I think I know what that means...........

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 17:24

Albert, please can you explain what has gone on, in simple terms, once the details emerge?

If shareholder/directors loans are part of the Creditors then they could "overwhelm" the true creditors (i.e. players) and achieve a 75% acceptance of a CVA at say 1 pence in the pound and then just carry on? Or am I being too cynical?

The shareholders/directors are not expecting to get the loans back anyway?


(Sm105)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:15

As it is a private company we may never get to know the details of the agreement reached, though a little will be seen once the accounts are finally published. The announcement does say that the deal was approved by all relevant creditors.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:30

Agreed this is not a "victimless" solution. However if the players have managed to get contracts elsewhere at approaching 85% of the salary they would have got with Carnegie, then perhaps only pride is hurt.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: NOM (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:39

Seriously? Future contracts will not include back pay from a former club!

Perhaps if your wages were offered at 15p in the pound at the end of the month you would have a little more understanding of what this gross financial mismanagement means to those affected? a’club’ means ‘community’ and that means people - whilst the board may be merciless businessmen I would hope supporters would show more compassion.

That aside the RFU have yet to pass judgement on this outcome so whilst survival is something to be grateful for the future is far from assured.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 18:47

The players were paid in full last season, the creditor element is the unpaid promise of next season's employment for the 8 who had ongoing contracts but now have alternative employment.


Not nice but in business bad debts occur and in rugby broken promises/contracts are unfortunately a part of life as a professional sportsperson. If there was 100% acceptance of the agreement, and the rfu have been informed of what was happening all along, then surely we should now just look to the future?


Still a pretty impossible task to avoid relegation next season without negative sniping IMHO.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 19:06

I thought relegation was scrapped next season?

Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 19:06

I thought relegation was scrapped next season?

Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 19:18

We will still have near-Premiership training facilities so I would think that we could.
Other Championship clubs who are sort of between full and part time (e.g. Bedford) seem to get loads of good quality D/R players.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 21:37

I am sure someone (not sure who) has been on the blower to wasps bath etc to get some guys in

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 28/06/2019 23:44

Quote:
JDH1
I thought relegation was scrapped next season?
Can we still lend players from Bath etc if we are part time?

Borrow!!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 13:13

Apart from Sam Wolstenholme not one player from last year's squad has moved to a premiership team.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 13:37

Oliver fox.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 14:01

Stand corrected

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 15:07

Richard Beck (he was a player in last year's squad!!)

Splitting hairs.

(Sm102)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: opuscoitus (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 16:32

Most were under contract till it hit the fan, most prem clubs do business early doors certainly before season ends,

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 16:32

Should have kept it to myself

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:24

Quote:
Billy ba
Should have kept it to myself

Only having a bit of fun, Pete! (Sm100)

But I do think you have made a serious point in that we only had 8 players contracted to next season, most of these being the antipodean recruits. Possibly most of the others were enjoying the season and wanting or expecting another contract for next year. But it does show that Premiership clubs did not see any of our players, other than Foxy, as standout stars for the future that they wanted to invest in. We had some good players but probably nobody noticably better than the Premiership clubs' existing academy players.


The other star for the future we did see was Jacob Umuga, on loan from Wasps, and I think he has been given a Premiership Team contract by Wasps for next year.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:44

😃😃😃 . Just trying to make a point that perhaps we needed a change. We've had some players now for 5 or 6 seasons others not as long but we are still a championship club and not a good one at that. We may remain so for the foreseeable future but we weren't going anywhere. I hope all the players do well st their new clubs and I'm sure they will. To be blunt we were going nowhere and after all this upheaval nothings change. P.S. When do season tickets go on sale?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:50

Quote:
Billy ba
P.S. When do season tickets go on sale?


I admire your keenness! Remember that if you do buy a season ticket and the club do not see the season out, you won't even get 15% of its value back.


I will wait until we have a coach and at least a couple of players before thinking of buying any sort of ticket.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 17:54

I don't expect too much for my money anyway

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 18:24

I don't mind paying the same money for my season tickets. They were too cheap imo anyway.

You pay more at donny to get in

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 18:29

Talks moved from playing at West Park to season tickets. We'll be criticising the beer before long

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 21:44

(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)



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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/06/2019 21:59

I am quite excited for some better news coming in now.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 16:18

Well another week has gone by and there has not even been the hint of a rumour of incoming players. Tick tock!

(Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Beeston Lion (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 19:16

Would have thought possible candidates were lined up prior to administrative requirements being pursued. Cannot see we have got this far with nothing pencilled in for confirmation following successful conclusion of CVA.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 20:34

Quote:
Beeston Lion
Would have thought possible candidates were lined up prior to administrative requirements being pursued. Cannot see we have got this far with nothing pencilled in for confirmation following successful conclusion of CVA.

Lining up candidates is one thing. Coaching them into a fit, cohesive unit is another matter altogether. It is also something that cannot be done overnight. Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tricolour (IP Logged)
Date: 07/07/2019 21:25

It will be interesting to see how Leeds fair against Nottingham in the 1st round of the cup, that is if they still exist!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Competitive Dad (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:28

Wondering how the 2nd week of pre season has gone.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:40

Might be down at Morrisons tomorrow, will try to peer over the fence.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Madtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:43

They're all training at Sale Sharks..

[www.arborfieldoldboys.co.uk]

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/07/2019 20:47

The word on the street Albert is that the Carnegie section of Kirkstall has been converted into a canteen for Rhinos. So you are probably wasting your time.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 06:50

Quote:
Madtyke
They're all training at Sale Sharks..

As time goes by this theory gains more credence. (Sm124)

Tick tock.



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Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 08:46

Who's training ?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 15:56

Sale

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 10/07/2019 19:03

Good to see that the new "off field range" advertised on the offy is back to our traditional blue and yellow (amber?) but will we ever get to see the official "on field" kit? It is stated to be "coming soon". !!!!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 14/07/2019 10:45

Quote:
Wildwillie
Well another week has gone by and there has not even been the hint of a rumour of incoming players. Tick tock!
(Sm124)

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2019 07:36

It is now 19 days since the statement from the board regarding the CVC. Since then - zilch.

Tick tock!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: SideStep (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2019 08:07

Quote:
Wildwillie
It is now 19 days since the statement from the board regarding the CVC. Since then - zilch.
Tick tock!

Vintage Carnegie!

The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2019 11:31

We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2019 18:40

Quote:
Tyko
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Oh, I don't know

Maybe something like:

'we're awaiting the RFU's decision on our proposed plan and, in the meantime, we're speaking to potential backers and will release details of these discussions when we are able.'

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 17/07/2019 19:25

Quote:
leemingtyke
Quote:
Tyko
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Oh, I don't know

Maybe something like:

'we're awaiting the RFU's decision on our proposed plan and, in the meantime, we're speaking to potential backers and will release details of these discussions when we are able.'

Yep. (Sm134)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 18/07/2019 11:10

Quote:
Wildwillie
Quote:
leemingtyke
Quote:
Tyko
We know they are awaiting the RFU's decision on the "cunning plan".
There may well be ongoing negotiations with potential backers, which would not be made public. So what more could they tell us?

Oh, I don't know

Maybe something like:

'we're awaiting the RFU's decision on our proposed plan and, in the meantime, we're speaking to potential backers and will release details of these discussions when we are able.'

Yep. (Sm134)

I don't for one minute think there are any potential backers by the way,

But if the club kept us informed it would stop negative people like me making those kind of assumptions.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: headingleytyke2 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/07/2019 15:29

I don't think they really care and we will disappear into oblivion

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: RedcarTyke (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2019 17:40

Yet Another week goes by with no news.

Tick Tock

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: sheffieldsmills (IP Logged)
Date: 21/07/2019 20:09

What an agonising few months and we still don't know if there is going to be a club. Been keeping quiet waiting to see what happens, fear the worst, hope for the best scenario.

Unfortunately with still not knowing what is going to happen, any idea of how long the RFU take or if the board are being pro active, I have accepted the offer of a free season ticket watching (not supporting) Donny. Yep I am going to the darkside.

So for the first time in a number of years with travelling to Donny no YC season ticket this year.

If and its a very big IF the RFU decide to let us continue and YC
cobble together a squad/coaches/staff then I will, finances permitting, try to get to as many games as I can.Until then I will keep fingers crossed.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: tightprop (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2019 14:43

It's 24 days since the last Board announcement on 28 June and 60 days until our first fixture against Nottingham on 20 September.

Apparently the Board met with RFU last week. If so, no news suggests the RFU has concerns that have not yet been resolved. Nothing we can do about that. But the Board has managed to get 100% of creditors to back the survival of YC and has secured training at Kirkstall and home games at a spanking new stadium.

Albeit the funds to support recruitment will be very low, any club that is able to count on the facilities YC has access to and the support of the creditors and supporters of YC deserves to be encouraged by the RFU to make the best of things.

I hope the RFU gives us that support promptly so we can use the few weeks that remain to get players and coaches.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2019 17:19

Good post tightprop. (Sm134)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2019 17:45

Quote:
tightprop
.......I hope the RFU gives us that support promptly so we can use the few weeks that remain to get players and coaches.

If the players are not already training together (e.g. at Sale) then 60 days is not enough time to put a cohesive squad together'

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 22/07/2019 18:59

That's never bothered us before!

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Madtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2019 15:54

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo is there anyone available from YC left to enlighten the supporters as to what the feck is going on. The echo from Headingley just rumbles onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[www.arborfieldoldboys.co.uk]

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2019 17:47

(Sm22)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: SideStep (IP Logged)
Date: 24/07/2019 12:02

Maybe the Leeds Lardies are gonna be needed?

The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 17:18

Martyn has now been in the post for 5 days.

Squad list still empty. (Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Feeding (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 17:59

Someone (from Carnegie) was discussing possible players at The Village in Headingley last week. I couldn't hear much, the players meant nothing to me,whilst the Clubs were generally from below the Championship. Elsewhere, Darlington Mowden Park has been mentioned.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Geoff DC (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 18:56

Looking at the Poll on Rolling Maul http://www.rolling-maul.com/poll-on-the-rfu-yorkshire-carnegie_topic17699.html

I would hazard a guess that not many players would be looking to run out against so much fan opposition - maybe reverting to Leeds rather than YC might help

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 20:06

I would not even bother to view Rolling maul. They have been anti-Leeds, even more anti-Yorkshire for years and they are now trying to bayonet the wounded.
Full marks to Albert for expertly pointing out the facts when needed.

One exception I must not forget is Corporal Carrot, a real gentleman.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 20:37

Yes the rolling maul is bollox

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 20:55

You have a way with words JDH!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 29/07/2019 21:03

There seems to be a lot of bile & vitriol being consumed by the denizens of Rolling Maul at the moment. I expect they will be coming up and burning the new stadium down any time soon.

(Sm22)(Sm22)(Sm22)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2019 09:33

I just thought Geoffs post summed up the rolling maul perfectly..

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: WPL (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2019 10:01

There is so much guess work on there and when people point out a fact it gets forgotten.

I'm not sure if they are more angry at the club or the RFU - this we get £500k from the RFU...don't we all???

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2019 13:21

It would be nice if we had some signings to talk about.

(Sm134)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Geoff DC (IP Logged)
Date: 30/07/2019 13:32

I don't think many people are Anti Leeds (YC) but there has been an ongoing dissatisfaction with the RFU.

Personally, I have always enjoyed my Trips to Headingly, although I have missed the last 2 seasons

I did notice that there were fewer and fewer of the friends I had made and enjoyed post-match drinks in the town with and that has partly led to me making fewer trips.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2019 13:54

Now a week since MW was appointed. Just saying.

Tick......tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 31/07/2019 14:15

Quote:
Geoff DC
I did notice that there were fewer and fewer of the friends I had made and enjoyed post-match drinks in the town with and that has partly led to me making fewer trips.

There'll be even fewer if you come up next season . (Sm17)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2019 07:12

The season starts next month.

Tick tock.

(Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Albert Fishwick (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2019 11:25

Lady Mac is back! Tweet

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2019 12:41

Strange tweet

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 02/08/2019 20:15

I don't get the point of that tweet.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2019 17:39

Perhaps we should close this thread now that Joe Ford has signed as we have nothing further to worry about.

(Sm134)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2019 20:32

Maybe bring it back nearer Christmas..

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: TykeGeorge (IP Logged)
Date: 04/08/2019 20:50

I feel the clock has stopped and new batteries are not going to sort out this mess with the medical bills.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 06/08/2019 19:50

3 days since the medical bills scandal broke. Nothing from the club.

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 06/08/2019 20:05

Can't believe owt they say anyway.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2019 11:44

If anything is to be believed there will, supposedly, be another "honest" statement in the next day or so?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2019 19:45


Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2019 20:16

Difficult to treat this article seriously when it shows a picture of Headingley at least two years old, and nothing like it looks now. Not sure if it is dragging our name in the mud (perhaps we deserve that punishment) or having a go at the rugby financial set-up in general.
Overall nothing new here IMHO.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: headingleytyke2 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2019 20:48

Let's not look for excuses the management f****d up

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2019 21:07

Thanks for that thoughtful comment, H2.

But I thought we had passed you to the Coventry board, where your pearls of wisdom will be better appreciated?

(Sm113)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2019 22:25

Quote:
almostatyke
Thanks for that thoughtful comment, H2.
But I thought we had passed you to the Coventry board, where your pearls of wisdom will be better appreciated?

(Sm113)

Once again, the truth hurts, why keep hiding from it?

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: headingleytyke2 (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 07:57

People like almostatyke still look at things at the club with rose tinted glasses. Were in a mess.
Oh and bye the way the way I mentioned Coventry is that I live 30 minutes from the club. I have supported YC in its various guises for over 48 years.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 08:14

Quote:
almostatyke
Difficult to treat this article seriously when it shows a picture of Headingley at least two years old, and nothing like it looks now. Not sure if it is dragging our name in the mud (perhaps we deserve that punishment) or having a go at the rugby financial set-up in general.
Overall nothing new here IMHO.

The article appears to be factual. What difference does it make if the picture of Headingley is current, 2 years old or from the last century? It is irrelevant, we were mere tenants, it is not ours, never has been, never will be! Any assets we had following the merger of Headingley and Roundhay have been absorbed into the Leeds Rugby empire!

As for "dragging our name in the mud", really? The management of this club have done a pretty good job of doing exactly that. No further assistance is required.

Finally, having a go at individual posters that express a different point of view other than your own is somewhat below the belt. This is a discussion forum where every point of view has a place, whether you agree with it or not!

Looking forward to the next statement from the board. I hope it includes confirmation that all fees have been paid, and also includes an apology to the players for bringing this situation on in the first place!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 19:19

I would like to repeat an earlier post that I made that has never been answered by the miserati: any sporting organisation that has the financial rug, completely unexpectedly, pulled from under it's feet is going to have a massive problem.
A management team of Lord Sugar, Sir David Brailsford and Sir Alex Ferguson would still be helpless in that situation.

IMHO the management team have shown their great competence by the way they have kept the club afloat.

I am disappointed that once anything goes wrong, long-held predjudices are dredged up, and fitted to the circumstances to add to the negativity.

Feel fee to disagree but please make your case clear and without an axe to grind.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 20:15

Hear hear

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 20:43

Almo, as has been said on here, the club spent money it never had did they not? No matter what they believed they were going to get, it never showed in the bank account, so should not have been spent. The management of the club have kept supporters in the dark over every recent issue. If you are happy to accept that, then fine. I certainly am not. That is my opinion, and, as far as I am aware, that is what this forum is for.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 20:57

Great to see your reasoned comments Hax. I fully understand where you are coming from, but I have a different opinion. Which I will explain:

The cornerstone benefactor in Carnegie was Jon Wright, founder of Xercise4less, the gym chain based in Leeds. He re-financed his business at the end of last year, in a move that he thought would release his own personal wealth from the business, some of which was supporting Carnegie. Unfortunately, the Private Equity Company that provided the "re-finance" then stabbed him in the back, without warning, and demanded that his personal guarantee money should not be "lost" in financing Carnegie.
He had no alternative than to advise the shareholders/board of this, which happened about the turn of the year.

it was completely unexpected, so players had been signed on two year contracts in good faith.

You can take whatever view of Jon Wright's naivety or perhaps the Private Equity Firm's aggressiveness, but why of why do people think of this as a management failure?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 21:02

..because they never saw the money. Whoever pulled the plug on who is in my opinion irrelevant, Carnegie never had the money to spend. True, or false.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 21:09

Virtually all rugby clubs have benefactor's loans which have no interest and no repayment date. The auditors have to pass the annual accounts in the belief that the loans will not be called in.

So no different.

Why on Earth would Carnegie have entered into two year contracts if they foresaw this mess?

For me the evidence is that they acted in good faith and that the story I told above rings true.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 21:48

We'll agree to disagree. I think the club is a total embarrassment, and should be ashamed of the way they have let this situation develop. I'm looking forward to visiting Headingley in a couple of weeks, but that is for the Ashes, it will be my first look at the stadium since the re-developments. Very unlikely I'll be visiting to watch any rugby, can spend my time, and money, far better elsewhere.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2019 21:52

Happy to agree to disagree with you Hax, I like that you put forward reasoned comments, as I try to do. Really miss you and your brilliant humour on the away trips.

(Sm128)

Hopefully the Ashes will be a happier tale!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 08:26

We have a squad of one player.

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tower (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 10:42

Quote:
Haxbytyke
We'll agree to disagree. I think the club is a total embarrassment, and should be ashamed of the way they have let this situation develop. I'm looking forward to visiting Headingley in a couple of weeks, but that is for the Ashes, it will be my first look at the stadium since the re-developments. Very unlikely I'll be visiting to watch any rugby, can spend my time, and money, far better elsewhere.

Very sad to hear the news that you will not return for the Rugby Haxbytyke.
I can understand why you are angry about recent events but could I possibly ask why you did not attend at all last year?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Haxbytyke (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 13:30

Quote:
Tower
Quote:
Haxbytyke
We'll agree to disagree. I think the club is a total embarrassment, and should be ashamed of the way they have let this situation develop. I'm looking forward to visiting Headingley in a couple of weeks, but that is for the Ashes, it will be my first look at the stadium since the re-developments. Very unlikely I'll be visiting to watch any rugby, can spend my time, and money, far better elsewhere.

Very sad to hear the news that you will not return for the Rugby Haxbytyke.
I can understand why you are angry about recent events but could I possibly ask why you did not attend at all last year?

Tower, I haven't been for 2 seasons now. I was ready to get my season ticket for 2017/18 season at the first game, when I was hospitalised for 8 days, and couldn't drive for 8 weeks, so living in York couldn't get to the games. Before that I had seen more games than I had missed, and seen more defeats than victories. I had a lot of time to reflect on the comments the club had made which I believed showed a total lack of ambition in aiming for the Premiership, coupled with the failure of all aspects of the Yorkshire experiment, and the lack of communication the club had with the fans, I decided my Sundays were better spent closer to home. I get my rugby fix now watching York City Knights, a club who have risen from nothing, have a great relationship with the local community, and who value their fans.
I hope Carnegie can get back on an even keel, but I would be very wary of anything, (if anything) the club say in future. I certainly will not be contributing one penny though, it will be wasted.

COME ON LEEDS.
We've been through it all together.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tower (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 13:56

Quote:
Haxbytyke
Quote:
Tower
Quote:
Haxbytyke
We'll agree to disagree. I think the club is a total embarrassment, and should be ashamed of the way they have let this situation develop. I'm looking forward to visiting Headingley in a couple of weeks, but that is for the Ashes, it will be my first look at the stadium since the re-developments. Very unlikely I'll be visiting to watch any rugby, can spend my time, and money, far better elsewhere.

Very sad to hear the news that you will not return for the Rugby Haxbytyke.
I can understand why you are angry about recent events but could I possibly ask why you did not attend at all last year?

Tower, I haven't been for 2 seasons now. I was ready to get my season ticket for 2017/18 season at the first game, when I was hospitalised for 8 days, and couldn't drive for 8 weeks, so living in York couldn't get to the games. Before that I had seen more games than I had missed, and seen more defeats than victories. I had a lot of time to reflect on the comments the club had made which I believed showed a total lack of ambition in aiming for the Premiership, coupled with the failure of all aspects of the Yorkshire experiment, and the lack of communication the club had with the fans, I decided my Sundays were better spent closer to home. I get my rugby fix now watching York City Knights, a club who have risen from nothing, have a great relationship with the local community, and who value their fans.
I hope Carnegie can get back on an even keel, but I would be very wary of anything, (if anything) the club say in future. I certainly will not be contributing one penny though, it will be wasted.

This is such a shame as you are sorely missed by all of the supporters.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: headingleytyke2 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 14:51

We may have a new coach and director of rugby but the same people behind the scenes. Thereby lies the problem

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tower (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 15:15

Quote:
headingleytyke2
We may have a new coach and director of rugby but the same people behind the scenes. Thereby lies the problem

But the supporters are not involved nor are the players going to the rugby is a social occasion and I still maintain that we should support our team. What good will you do by staying away?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2019 16:05

I take it Tower that you are one of the privileged that enjoy hospitality at Headingley. We mere mortals have no chance of any meaningful socializing. Headingley is sterile. At one time we had a social club that was knocked down to make way for the South Stand. Now what was it, 4-5 years before the work on the stand was started? GH said the supporters club would be replaced. I still see no supporters club. Supporters now socialize in the pubs, cafes and restaurants in the environs outside the stadium, thus depriving our Club and primarily the Rhinos of valuable income. Good innit!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Dr Zaius (IP Logged)
Date: 10/08/2019 00:42

Nobody would reasonably expect the club to have all funds in the bank before committing to spend - no business runs in that manner.

The deal the club is getting to use Headingley and, moreover, the back office function, is now amazing value but, even with that de facto financial support from Leeds RL/Caddick and the reduced playing budget, there has to be severe doubt that the business will ever be a viable going concern.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2019 10:40

It is the continued support from LeedsRL/Caddick that concerns me most. It was reported a while back, that Caddick was planning to get together a financial partnership together next season, provided we survive relegation this season with a view of a push on Premiership status. With Caddick's record of playing hokey cokey with his support, I find that worrying!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 11/08/2019 22:21

Yet he is the only one with the wealth and hopefully interest to do it.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2019 12:01

I have just been on the official website and can confirm that we have an MD, a DoR, a Head Coach and a Kit Manager. That is a relief then. (Sm124)

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Teddy1981 (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2019 17:25

Richmond

#Jeeersey

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2019 18:06

Good to see that Richmond are moving on, though I smart when I read the complaint that Carnegie players have only been paid 15% of their future contracts by a club that operates pay-per-game.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 12/08/2019 20:04

Quote:
Teddy1981
Richmond

90 players training during the summer !! I wonder if they can spare a few.

Mind you - not so many top City jobs on offer up here.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 25/08/2019 15:04

Nine days since we announced the signing of T Varndell. Still only 6 signed players announced.

Tick tock.

(Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: bigfecker (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 10:59

TBH if I was a player and with YC record recently, I would want 25% of my annual fee upfront and then the 75% paid monthly.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 16:46

Fair point bigfecker. I imagine that appointments or offers are all very conditional at the moment with some sort of ring-fenced bank account for wages. We already have some appointments, but what if we do not get enough players and are unable to raise a team? I suspect everything is conditional on the team coming together as a whole.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 17:49

Quote:
bigfecker
TBH if I was a player and with YC record recently, I would want 25% of my annual fee upfront and then the 75% paid monthly.

I would be happier with payment game by game if I was a player. Then if it all goes pearshaped I could just move on.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Tyko (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 18:01

Quote:
Wildwillie
I would be happier with payment game by game if I was a player. Then if it all goes pearshaped I could just move on.

So a zero hours contract then?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 19:13

If you are part-time you can live with the pay-per-game regime, especially if you have a 5 figure bonus to look forward to at Christmas from your day job. But it does mean that if you get a bad injury you get nothing for 6 months or a year. OK if playing rugby is a hobby that gets you some pocket money and street cred, but it isn't likely to attract the destructive tackler type that is needed by teams at high level.

Clearly full-time players cannot sign up to this.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 19:43

But most of our opposition in the Chsmpionship are part time also.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 20:12

Fair point Billy (I mean Pete). It must get complicated when a part-time club hosts Premiership dual registration players who are used to a higher standard of, well everything. Plus there must be jealousy between the players?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: headingleytyke2 (IP Logged)
Date: 26/08/2019 21:08

We should be worried. We have heard nothing about players apart fro the 6 , who must be paid on a part time basis because that is what we are. Nothing from the club about extra players, mind you they tell us nothing.
To put a rag tag outfit in the cup games which I believe will have never met each other and will end up with major injuries.
As I said the club have been quiet and I think they cannot get the players as they do not believe the lies peddled by the board

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 08:10

There must be some doubt, in the minds of prospective players, as to the club's ability to pay them given what went on last season.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 09:08

Is it true that during the recent Headingley Test, G.H. was spotted wearing a sandwich board with "The End Is Nigh" on one side and "We Are Recruiting" on the other?

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 27/08/2019 12:36

Quote:
Bobba
Is it true that during the recent Headingley Test, G.H. was spotted wearing a sandwich board with "The End Is Nigh" on one side and "We Are Recruiting" on the other?

Yes

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 07:33

DoR has now been in place over a month. 6 players!

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Feeding (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 08:57

First game,fri 20 Sept v Nottingham,three weeks ?!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 28/08/2019 08:58

As I have said before, no news is usually interpreted as an expectation that things are going wrong. Why can't the club put something out, say, at least once a week? Just an update to demonstrate that something is going on would help.
I the meantime I am sure many former fans are losing patience and moving away.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: RedcarTyke (IP Logged)
Date: 30/08/2019 19:56

2 weeks now since last proclamation Tick Tock

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 31/08/2019 22:21

Almost. Perhaps a fishing trip down to the River Aire at Kirkstall is called for? Either that or tomorrows Rugby Paper!(Sm100)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: headingleytyke2 (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2019 10:56

Interesting article in TRP today. It says the RFU only supported us because of the name Yorkshire as they want to promote rugby in this area. If we had been called Leeds that support would not have been there.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Bobba (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2019 11:15

It also stated that the changing of the name to Yorkshire was akin to putting lipstick on a pig!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Beeston Lion (IP Logged)
Date: 01/09/2019 19:49

But to be fair the article was directed at the RFU and their absence of common sense/fairness in dealing with wider issues in the game.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 06/09/2019 08:26

Three weeks since Varndell signing announced. Since then nothing.

Tick tock.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 06/09/2019 13:24

Keep it to themselves must be a Tack Tick

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: SideStep (IP Logged)
Date: 07/09/2019 14:46

Still nothing?
Newcome posted a cryptic message on twitter but wouldnt confirm any specific details.

The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: leemingtyke (IP Logged)
Date: 07/09/2019 15:45

Sidestep,

No announcement yet but there is some kind of squad and they are training

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Feeding (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2019 07:39

Some apparently good news for you. Mike Myerscough brought his Bridlington team to Leos yesterday.Dont know the chap but he was very approachable ,polite,pleasant and friendly.A very brief chat indicated that there appears to be a squad of around 20+ training,a mixture of premiership,championship and div 1players.He seemed to think things would be o.k.

More importantly,Leos playing our first ever game at Yorks 1 level won 27 - 22.Jim Collard,David Caplan and Jon Eagle would be chuffed.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 08/09/2019 07:45

Quote:
Feeding
.........More importantly,Leos playing our first ever game at Yorks 1 level won 27 - 22.Jim Collard,David Caplan and Jon Eagle would be chuffed.

(Sm152)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 11:29

First game next Friday.

(Sm159)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: SideStep (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 13:25

Rugby paper has us linked with Bath players. Including Mike William's.

The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 14:38

Team sheet might like a barbarians select!

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Wildwillie (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 16:50

The team sheet might be the first chance we get to see who will be playing for us this season (unless of course PD has a sudden rush of blood to the head and announces who the "25+" players who are training are.)

(Sm124)

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 17:30

I suspect we will find out soon.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: bigm/ mark harrison. (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 18:24

Tom varndels Twitter page has him in Hong Kong.

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: JDH1 (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 21:27

He might just rock up on Friday morning...

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: Billy ba (IP Logged)
Date: 09/09/2019 21:36

He is only part time

Re: Tick tock.
Posted by: almostatyke (IP Logged)
Date: 11/09/2019 18:36

Fair comment Bba. He has to supplement his income as we won't be paying him much, for sure.

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