Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory


Dean Ryan - polite
By Cherry Picker
September 21 2008

War broke out between the two coaches and the referee after Gloucester's 24-20 GP win over Harlequins at Kingsholm. Quins coach Dean Richards accused Glaws opposite number Dean Richards of putting referee Rob Denby under undue pressure and Denby of "bottling" his responsibilities in the second half.

Richards told anybody who cared to listen: "When you come in at half-time and their head coach is lambasting the referee and when you go out in the second half and you lose the penalty count 8-0 it begs the question 'what is going on?'
"It cost us last year and I would imagine that it cost a lot of people when they come down to Kingsholm because in the second half the referee would bottle it.
"I know Rob Denby and I like him as a person. I think that he is a more than capable referee, but this is a very difficult environment to referee in and when you get undue pressure like that then it makes it more difficult."
So, refs can't handle the pressure at Kingsholm, according to Richards.
Dean Ryan's response was: "I didn't have a go at the referee. I think the interpretation of the ruck has been vastly different over the previous weeks.
"I asked him for clarity over the ruck law, I asked if people should be on their feet who clearly weren't.
"We've been contesting ball quite successfully for two weeks and suddenly we don't get one penalty to the attacking side or one turn-over so I asked him for clarity of his interpretation."
So, according to Ryan, all he did was ask a question of the ref at half-time.
Casting vote to ref Denby: "As I walked to my dressing room at half-time both coaches politely came up to me. When they do that I am not going to just put my fingers in my ears."
Storm in a teacup? Beaten coach throws toys out of the pram? Beaten coach can't take the pressure at Kingsholm?
You choose, but Glaws are hardly going to apologise because Kingsholm is a difficult place to play - though they could always issue the fans with a polite request not to support their team quite so strongly, but to be fair at all times, especially when senstive souls like Richards are the visitors.
Glaws were 13-5 down at half-time, Mike Brown and Danny Care cashing in on poor defending to score tries.
But last week's hero Willie Walker kept Glaws in the game with his kicking and by helping to set up Olly Morgan's try. Alasdair Strokosch scored another home try and as a bonus, Olly Barkley  kicked a penalty on his debut to make Chris Malone's late try no more than a nuisance.
It was a vital win for Glaws, but of course we'll all spend a few days hoping that Dean Richards won't sulk for too long.
Won't we?

Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: Shedloads (IP Logged)
Date: 21/09/2008 10:29

Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: Two Sheds (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 11:48

Richards was interviewed on the new Premiership programme on ITV, and he really had a pet lip on. They way Quins wasted their first-half kicks, there was no point giving them any penalties in the second half.

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: cheerycherry (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 12:20

Glaws have to sharpen up they could easily be 0/3 with a nasty trip to Sale to come so it is good that Dean is getting interpretations clarified and the players are acting on the information. I was throwing my rattle in the first half because Debney was reffing the tackle area completly differently to what I had seen the first two weeks especially as Glaws took advantage of that well in much the same way it was Glaws pinged out of the game against Tigers during the second half.

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: johnlid (IP Logged)
Date: 22/09/2008 17:09

Our Deano's bigger than your Dean. See you round the back of the bike shed!

No point our blaming the ref. We should have kicked the points and then the whole debate might have been academic.

Had a good time despite the result. We must remember it's a game of two halves. For the second year running, we decided only to play with the ball for 40 minutes.

Well done

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: Blank436 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 15:52

Be nice if your fans could learn to respect kickers and keep quiet. No illusions that it made the slightest difference to the score - it didn't - or that it's 100% quiet at the Stoop - it isn't, but we're getting there - but I've not encountered support like that (first time at Kingsholm) at an English or Scottish ground before.

I found the ground-wide "shhh" noises when Glos were kicking compared with the chants when we were were far more suited to a soccer ground. To reiterate, it didn't have any impact on the score, it's just not needed at a rugby match.

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: glawslad (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 17:49

The shhh is people telling others to be quiet, not to put off the kicker.

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: Blank436 (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 18:12

Rephrase for clarity:

Glos kick - all around tell anyone talking to 'shh'.

Quins kick - semi-encouraged shouting/noise making.

I don't for a minute think it made a difference to the score, and rather hope/assume the likes of Malone/Walker/Barkley can kick regardless of the atmosphere, but English rugby tradition is silence for kickers. We're not perfect (for our own let alone the oppo!) but I thought that the otherwise admirable support for your team slipped into soccer-esque behaviour there.

Not a big thing - was a nice day out etc - no offence intended, just the way I saw it.

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: Two Sheds (IP Logged)
Date: 23/09/2008 18:39

English rugby tradition is for players to be amateurs ... the times have changed and not only are opposition kickers jeered, but coaches talk gobbledegook. Just like footy.

Re: Coaches in row after Glaws fight back for victory
Posted by: cheerycherry (IP Logged)
Date: 24/09/2008 00:48

Have to say I agree about booing the kicker, its not on in my book. Seems to be the younger members of the Glaws support mainly and you would hope the parents and guardians etc would have a word and also set the example.

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